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How I learned to start worrying and hate Carrie Bradshaw

On "Sex and the City 2" and the destruction of old memories

How I learned to start worrying and hate Carrie Bradshaw

The ladies of "Sex and the City 2."

So "Sex and the City 2" is out, and the reviews have been, um, less than kind. My old partner Matt Seitz suggested "This is why they hate us," while Roger Ebert said "some of these people make my skin crawl," and HitFix's Alonso Duralde, who liked the first movie, called this one a "bad-drag version" of it.

I will not be seeing the movie in a theater (though, admittedly, since I became a dad I see very few movies that way), nor on DVD, nor on cable if I can help it. I loathed the first movie, and everything I've seen and read about this one makes it seem like it's going to be worse.

And what's most frustrating of all is that I did, once upon a time, enjoy "Sex and the City" the TV show (partly as a Take One For the Team show, but partly on its own merits for the first few seasons), and these movies have made me retroactively hate that, too.

In TV, like in sports, there's often talk about how sticking around too long can hurt your legacy. Willie Mays fans had to see him falling down in the outfield as a New York Met, Michael Jordan fans had to watch a slow, earthbound version of His Airness in a Washington Wizards uniform, "ER" fans had to endure the slow death of Mark Greene, etc.

But in most of those cases, the embarrassing later years don't really tarnish the glory days. If I see Jordan do the up-and-under move from the '91 finals, I'm still dazzled. If I stumble across a TNT rerun of the episode where Clooney saves the kid in the storm drain, I'm watching till the end.

But the first "Sex and the City" movie, and the many snippets I've seen of the second, have filled me with such bile for these characters, their world and the franchise's aesthetic and sense of humor that I now cringe when I come across reruns of episodes I once liked. How was I not traumatized by all these puns? I'll ask myself.

Sarah Bunting wrote a piece for NPR about how the scathing reviews of the movie don't matter, nor does its actual quality, because the people who loved the show are going to go see and probably enjoy it anyway. And I recognize that, as someone outside the franchise's target demographics, I'm not who Sarah is talking about. Still, it disheartens me that the movies can be powerful enough to erase most of the good memories I had of watching the show with my wife back in the day.

So, two questions for you: 1)Has anyone else had a similar reaction to these movies, vis a vis the original show? And 2)Has a show or entertainment franchise ever jumped the shark to the point where it's not just unwatchable after, but where you can no longer enjoy the stuff you liked from the earlier years?

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  • The Matrix. The second two Matrix movies were so atrocious that they retroactively sucked all the joy out of the first one.

    May 28, 2010 at 9:39AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Fairview So true. Yet, when the Matrix is on TV, I still watch it. I just pretend the other two movies don't exist. God they were terrible.

      May 28, 2010 at 9:53AM EST
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      Alfje17 Matrix 1 is still one of my all time favorite movies, but then again, I quite enjoyed the sequels.

      My wife keeps rewatching Friends and the more episodes I see, the more I hate Rachel. I liked the series a lot, but I can't watch anymore now as I have to restrain myself from throwing something at the screen when that egotistical witch turns up.
      And as huge Lost fan I am very saddened by the realization that I will never be able to watch the series again with utmost faith in the writers as I had until the finale. It might still be fun to watch, but I'll be annoyed with all the mysteries that were thrown in to stretch the series.

      May 28, 2010 at 10:36AM EST
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      LJA Yeah, rewatching Friends is lethal. Turns out, Rachel and Monica were completely deplorable.

      May 28, 2010 at 11:44AM EST
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      klg19 See, I was clever--I didn't bother to GO to the 2nd or 3rd Matrix films, so the glory of the first remains undiminished.

      May 28, 2010 at 12:25PM EST
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      Ed I couldn't stay awake during the first Matrix to care what color pill he took. I fell asleep the first two times I tried to watch it. The second one was OK, the third one was abysmal. But "Speed Racer" was so bad it should be the catalyst to vaporize all things Wachowski.

      May 28, 2010 at 3:32PM EST
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      Greg M. Scroll down to the strip at the bottom. Xkcd is wonderful.

      http://xkcd.com/566/

      May 29, 2010 at 2:17AM EST
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      belinda Huh, I actually really love the second Matrix.
      But, yep, I liked sex and the city as a tvshow but hated the last movie. Though I am a little bit curious from the trailers as to what sort of shit is Carrie going to drag Aidan through again? (yes, I was very much pro Aidan way back when)

      May 31, 2010 at 2:20PM EST
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    wrain

    I think I kind of had the opposite reaction. I didn't hate the first movie as much as it sounds like you did, but I think that it (and the last couple of seasons too) actually made me appreciate the earlier episodes more. One night last week I caught a rerun of the very first few episodes on TBS and I found myself really enjoying it.

    For your second question, I can no longer watch any episodes of Gilmore Girls. I used to love it but just the knowledge of what they did to Rory and Luke/Lorelai in the later seasons prevents me from being able to watch any reruns at all...

    May 28, 2010 at 9:40AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Liz D Interesting, I'm watching the series for the first time and we're in season six now...we'll see!

      May 28, 2010 at 3:44PM EST
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    TL

    With you 100%. I watched the show on and off through its run, but was off the train in the last season when they turned Mikel Breshnikov (sp) into a jerk just because they'd written themselves into a corner and wanted to preserve the future of the franchise.

    By this point into the franchise, the way it wallows in empty materialism and "luxe" makes me want to vomit. Especially in this environment, I can't believe that anybody wants to see this sort of stuff.

    May 28, 2010 at 9:41AM EST Reply to Comment
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      klg19 Mikhail Baryshnikov--and yes he should have sued them for what they did to his character!

      May 28, 2010 at 7:33PM EST
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    Karen

    Yes. At one point, I did actually enjoy sex and the city...but after reading the reviews, I'm now thinking that I should turn my outraged-feminist attention from Twilight et al to SATC (and let's be honest. It didn't need to be reviewed to do this - just reading a summary made me a little sick in the back of my throat).

    May 28, 2010 at 9:42AM EST Reply to Comment
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      nic919 Save some for the Breaking Dawn movie. The whole saving sex for marriage and then blacking out and waking up bruised the morning after the honeymoon is still a pretty horrendous message for young girls. As much as the SATC women are vapid, they still don't promote crazy abusive stuff like that.

      May 28, 2010 at 9:10PM EST
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    Clay

    you have to read this review if you haven't already.

    http://is.gd/cqlXG

    May 28, 2010 at 9:43AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Otto Man

    You want a scathing, hilarious review of SATC 2?

    http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/burkas-and-birkins/Content?oid=4132715

    May 28, 2010 at 9:43AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Beth

    Yes! You took the words out of my mouth. I am most definitely in the demo and I can't stand all this SATC BS. They have run the franchise into the groud and it's shame. The show ended on a very high note and now they are just ruining it with the over-hyped commerical movie. UGH.

    On a similar note, I used to be Scrubs' biggest fan but they didn't quit while they were ahead. I didn't even watch the finale.

    Thanks for speaking the truth Alan!

    May 28, 2010 at 9:44AM EST Reply to Comment
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      sepinwall But did the later seasons of Scrubs make you no longer capable of enjoying the earlier episodes?

      May 28, 2010 at 9:52AM EST
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      Beth Yes, it devalued it for me. I can't watch reruns!

      May 28, 2010 at 11:12AM EST
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      lztouchthedream I feel the same way about Scrubs, the later episodes really made me see through the joke machine of the early episodes, and hate all the quirkiness.

      The Star Wars prequels are another one for me, they really expose the shoddy, cheesy film making of the original trilogy.

      May 29, 2010 at 12:50AM EST
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      Rick This is a great example. I can't watch any Scrubs now- including the early seasons that I adored. Each character had their one joke, and while it was fresh and inventive early on, seeing that joke run into the ground for a decade makes the early incarnations of the joke unbearable. Cox specifically is hard to watch, because Cox's one joke had a voice to match it.
      All of it is made even worse by the fact that Scrubs was meta enough to spend episodes pointing out that everyone had the same joke over and over and over.

      Similar thoughts on Family Guy. I laughed for a couple seasons, but when the jokes never changed, I stopped laughing. Rewatching the early seasons doesn't make me laugh at all- I already know the joke, whether it's in Season 1 or Season 6.

      I think it's funny to point to Greene's death as ER's legacy tarnisher- as god-awful as it was, ER defied the odds and kept getting worse for another six or seven seasons.

      May 29, 2010 at 11:33AM EST
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      Pedestrienne I'm the same with Scrubs. Suddenly it felt SO smug and self-satisfied and I just CANNOT watch any of its seasons ever again. Going back to old Scrubs somehow feels like rewarding something I grew to loathe, and I do not wish to reward them/it.

      May 31, 2010 at 12:24AM EST
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    daforcella

    It's not exactly the same, but I have recently had a major retroactive tv change. I had almost an identical take on Jack Shephard as you did, where I was okay with him to start, began to detest him and then grew to love him in season six. Going back and watching the first few seasons during season six, I have retroactively learned to love Jack Shephard throughout because of who I know he turns out to be in the end. Pretty gripping stuff.

    May 28, 2010 at 9:45AM EST Reply to Comment
    • I expect a lot of people to have similar reaction to this. Take an episode like "Something Nice Back Home", where we get the flashforward of Jack ruining his relationship with Kate. At the time, he just seemed like a jerk, now it's the darkness before the dawn, if you will. Much more emotionally engaging instead of off-putting.

      May 29, 2010 at 2:04PM EST
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    Kelli Oliver George

    Ugh. I have debated not seeing the SATC Redux in the hopes that I can pretend it did not happen. While I loved the series, I did not enjoy the first SATC movie. Although I did not enjoy the first movie, it had an ending with which I could live. The end. Right?

    So, while I waited with extended, feverish anticipation for seeing Toy Story 3 in the theatres, I cannot report the same for SATC, Redux.

    May 28, 2010 at 9:47AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Chrissy The end of the first movie provided such symmetry (The first episode was Samantha's 40th bday, the end of the first movie was her 50th), I don't understand why they didn't just stop. Now, will they have to take her to 60 just to tie a bow on it?

      I was a fan of the show but not of Carrie, so the first movie had a lot to hate (although I liked the Charlotte stuff and some of the Miranda stuff). I don't really have occasion to watch the episodes ever, but they were always flawed, if enjoyable - I doubt the movies would change that.

      May 28, 2010 at 10:01AM EST
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    Michelle

    I was never a huge fan of SATC as a TV show, and I never saw the first movie, and so I'm sure I'll never see the sequel. But having said that, I'm a little surprised at the rancor for this franchise. SATC is summer blockbuster fantasy, pure and simple. Just like all the other summer blockbuster fantasies both before and after, people will watch it for the escapism, NOT the realism. Yes, it's utterly ridiculous that these four women are going on an all expenses paid trip to Abu Dhabi. But so what?? Aren't all summer blockbusters essentially ridiculous? Why are reviewers getting their panties in a bunch over this movie? I hesitate to cry "sexism!" but that is how it's shaping up. If the movie revolved around, say, a good-looking archeology professor who also happens to go on wild adventures all around the world, people applaud and cry for more Indiana Jones sequels. So why the hatred for this over-the-top glop?

    May 28, 2010 at 9:48AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Pennywise As I indicated in my comment below, I think the problem with the movie is that it took the series' good bones and absolutely shattered them into a million tiny pieces. It focuses on everything that was vain and shallow about these women and completely ignores the substantial growth they went through over the course of the series. It can still be over-the-top and remain recognizable.

      And honestly, after the last Indiana Jones movie, is there anyone out there clamoring for a new one?

      May 28, 2010 at 9:59AM EST
    • I agree with Pennywise on this one, absolutely. They took a respectable series with a lot of good moments and strip-mined it into a escapist, summer blockbuster. It's kind of like if they decided to make a movie out of the Wire and turned it into a buddy cop flick. (Thought this example is much more extreme, you get my point.)

      May 28, 2010 at 10:33AM EST
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      sdlata The problem is that too many SATC fans "identify" with these horrible wenches as they encourage self-loathing materialism and man-eating. No one but 5 years olds identify with Indiana Jones. Sad commentary on our society.

      May 28, 2010 at 12:10PM EST
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      Hatfield Poor, defenseless Indy! What did he ever do to you?

      May 28, 2010 at 12:38PM EST
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      7s Tim @Ryan Finley: I would totally go see a Buddy-Cop Movie. Wunza hard drinking yet still idealistic detective, Wunza "Farmer in the Dell" whistling stickup man. But can they overcome the combined might of Kingpin Avon and cornerboy Bodie? McNulty and Omar: Cleaning up Bal'more one drug dealer at a time!

      May 28, 2010 at 1:44PM EST
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      7s Tim Er...buddy cop movie of The Wire, that should read.

      May 28, 2010 at 1:58PM EST
    • @sdlata: That's just being harsh on Indy, man. One of the original films main appeal was that Indy was such an everyman sort of hero.

      Although I'm saying this with the idea that maybe you like Indiana Jones films and are misunderstood on some of the appeal, because the idea of someone disliking the original Indiana Jones trilogy seems impossible.

      May 29, 2010 at 5:03PM EST
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    Adam B.

    I didn't like the original show during the glib, early seasons, but once the show grew more serious I really began to appreciate it. Unlike Entourage, say, mistakes had consequences. Things hurt and lingered.

    And the movies are back to fantasy land. Ugh.

    May 28, 2010 at 9:50AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Pennywise

    Alan, you have no idea how well this post summarizes my feelings about this franchise. I refused to see the first movie because I thought it undid everything that the series resolved (in what I felt was a satisfying way for each of the characters). I don't know if I'm just more mature now (I was in college when the show was popular) and have seen much better television and movies in the intervening years, but good grief, if the promos are any indication, it's as if the SATC production machine took everything that was tacky and tasteless in the series and ramped that up to 11 while leaving any good aspects of the characters on the cutting room floor. It's just sad.

    As to your second question, I don't think there's another franchise that has mishandled itself to the extent that SATC has.

    That said, not since the Love Guru have I laughed so heartily at the absolutely scathing review snippets on Rotten Tomatoes. I click over there whenever I need a pick me up.

    May 28, 2010 at 9:54AM EST Reply to Comment
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    bryan-a

    Write a comment...

    May 28, 2010 at 9:57AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Fairview

    If I ever have children, they will not be seeing the Star Wars prequels. I'll start them at episode 4 and hope they have many years of joy before they discover the first 3 on their own.

    May 28, 2010 at 10:02AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Lizbeth

    Alan, I agree 100%. SATC was once my favorite show (along with Sopranos and Deadwood) and now I absolutely am embarrassed by it.

    I have no desire to see the 2nd movie -- the first one was like a dreadful soft-core porno but with SHOES!!

    I hate the clothes, hate the self-absorption, hate the way these ladies never grow up....or that they think real women will relate to any of them.

    It's creepy and a little gross that they just don't let this one die...

    And no, I don't think I can go back and enjoy the series now that the movies have turned these once beloved characters into caricatures.

    May 28, 2010 at 10:04AM EST Reply to Comment
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    bryan-a

    Back in it's prime the wife and I would watch SitC and I too started to enjoy it. It could be a pretty funny show sometimes and the best part was I'd usually get a little visual arousal and my wife would feel, I don't know empowered or something, so it would make for some pretty good rumpus-ing in the bedroom afterwards.

    After we rented the movie though it was a different story - when the credits rolled my wife sat there on the bed, knees pulled up to her chest, still wearing her ratty flannel pajamas, and a couple used tissues in her hand. I just grabbed the bag of pretzels and walked into the other room and played Madden.

    May 28, 2010 at 10:06AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Bitsy

    I'm getting so sick of the hater posts. This movie is for (mostly) women who loved the show. It's not the end of the world. It has no impact on society. It's just a movie.

    I saw it last night in a crowded theater expecting nothing and I had a great time. Better yet, it didn't have the melodramatic middle in Mexico that the original did. It wasn't art. It was funny and campy and a complete delight. It's not there to be analyzed. It's a movie, and quite simply put: It's a girl thing. Leave it alone.

    May 28, 2010 at 10:08AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Claudia I agree, I don't see the point in writing an article to say "I hate it without watching it". Isn't the point of not watching a movie to spare yourself of hating it?

      But, yes, I agree there have been films that didn't quit while they were ahead and ruined the legacy. Matrix definitely tops that list. Certain TV shows such as Heroes and Prison Break still make me cringe whenever I think about their later seasons and make it hard for me to remember a time when I used to enjoy watching them.

      So my advice: If you are curious about it, watch it. If you have the feeling that you're just going to simply loathe it, save yourself the time and money. But don't campaign against something you don't even plan on seeing, because, honestly, if I had known Prison Break was going to suck so bad at the end, I wouldn't even give it the 20mins it probably took you to write this article of my time.

      May 28, 2010 at 10:27AM EST
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      nic919 I agree that some of the comments in the blogosphere (but not this blog) have gotten pretty misogynistic. However, I think most of the movie critics are just calling this movie out for what it is: a bad movie. And they have done this for other bad movies before and will continue to do so.

      May 28, 2010 at 10:58AM EST
    • How sad that the mark of a quality moviegoing experience for some is "i went in expecting nothing, and had a great time." how very sad.

      May 30, 2010 at 3:27PM EST
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    Einhander

    I would say some actors jump the shark. It's hard for me to watch Braveheart without wanting to laugh or leave the room, thanks to Mel Gibson's craziness. Same thing for Tom Cruise, I watch him in A Few Good Men now, and all I can think of is, "Dude, you're CRAZY in real life, huh?"

    May 28, 2010 at 10:16AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Kristen Agreed! And I feel the same way about Brangelina (because of their holier-than-thou-ness more than craziness). Their real-world life leaches into their characters and makes them unwatchable.

      May 28, 2010 at 11:37AM EST
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      LJA I'm with @Einhander and @Kristen on this. I can no longer watch movies by any of the people you named.

      May 28, 2010 at 1:10PM EST
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      klg19 This is a really good point. There aren't so many series that I can't watch for their good years as a result of their bad years. But I can no longer go to Mel Gibson or Ton Cruise movies. I just can't do it. The ickiness of their public personae has completely overshadowed their ability to provide a compelling performance, for me.

      May 28, 2010 at 7:44PM EST
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    nic919

    I am in the target demo for this movie and I haven't seen the first one and will not be seeing this one. I did like the television program, especially the first few seasons, because it was a show about women who were friends and were not stabbing each other in the back over guys and they had open and honest conversations about life relationships, etc. In short, while there was an element of fashion porn, it was not the point of the show. As the seasons went on, all the characters changed and dealt with what life gave them. Carrie probably changed the least and as the show got centered on her, I started to hate her, but I did stick with the show until the end. The finale, while not perfect, managed to wrap things up pretty well and Carrie ended up with Big. So there was nothing left to say. The first movie was pointless because there was nothing new to be mined from the characters, and it sounds like there is even less to say in this new movie. These women, who used to be fully fleshed out characters, have now been reduced to caricatures with maybe the exception of Carrie, who has always been the most irritating character and the one you just wanted to say to stop whining. I was surprised the first movie did well, but I think most have picked up that there was barely a story to be told in that movie, so this one is a cash grab, and the cynicism in that is the source of the vitriol against it.

    I don't know any actual women like these 4, and frankly don't ever want to. What annoys me about this whole phenomenon is that they are still trying to push themselves as feminist icons, when they are now just 4 shallow twits. Transformers may suck just as bad as a movie franchise, but at least they aren't trying to say that it's an important social movement that every guy needs to be a part of.

    May 28, 2010 at 10:17AM EST Reply to Comment
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    stephanie

    I watched the entire series, and genuinely loved the finale. Then I had absolutely no interest in watching the movies. I think that's so weird- I look at the movie trailers and think, Did I really like that show? Why did I watch it? I must have enjoyed something about it, right? I just can't remember what anymore.

    May 28, 2010 at 10:21AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Joshua

    There were three shows like that for me: post-Larry David Seinfeld, UPN-era Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and post JJ-Kurtzman-Orci Alias. Amazing how changing showrunners isn't a good idea.

    May 28, 2010 at 10:22AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Jeff Kelly

    I never liked SatC. I never got the appeal of gloating over the supposed faults, quirks or misfortunes of other people something the show constantly did.

    The speed and cruelty by which the four characters on the show where judging other people that didn't adhere to their standards always appalled me. To me the writers on the shwo secretly hated both the protagonists and most of the extras and used Carrie and Friends as a mouthpiece to vent their own misanthropy especially for men but also for women who celebrate their own princess complex

    The same show with four men as leads would have never been green lighted by any studio.

    So I actually liked the latter seasons more because things got more real and they had to realize that life by no means resembles a fairy tale.

    The Star Wars Prequels and special editions are a good example things of that completely killed the enjoyment I had for the old movies. It's not a coincidence that the best of the old movies wasn't written nor directed by Lucas (The Empire strikes back).

    The compulsive need of both Spielberg and Lucas to retroactively change their Movies (E.T.. Star Wars) or to either add Nazis or Aliens or both (Indy 4, A.I.) is a constant source of killjoy.

    With Scrubs it were the episodes with Elizabeth Banks? Not being able to see married women? Impregnating a girl without actual intercourse? Pretend miscarriage? J.D constantly acting like a complete douche. Way to emasculate your main character.

    May 28, 2010 at 10:30AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Neffs Actually Jeff I think you've got something there, about the writers secretly hating the protagonists, etc. I never really bought SATC as a show because to me they weren't women I knew, but more like gay men who were just being played by women? And I think that's the thing that puts so many people off; these women are being selfish and self-obssessed and controlling in ways that we might not question the same behaviors if they were coming from men.

      Now, all seriousness aside, I thought Lindy West's (TheStranger) comment about how this movie flies in the face of everything she holds dear as a human and a woman, like not acting like an entitled c-word, is the funniest thing I've read all week.

      May 28, 2010 at 12:00PM EST
    • I'm not taking a personal shot at you, but I've never really gotten the whole "Carrie and Co. are just gay men with vaginas" thing. Well, I kind of do, and it makes cringe a LOT -- so it's not WOMEN but GAYS that are shallow, self-centered, materialistic and obsessed with sex 24/7? Thanks a bunch...

      May 29, 2010 at 12:51AM EST
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      MattK A studio did greenlight a show with four male leads instead of women: Entourage.

      June 1, 2010 at 12:53PM EST
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    Jay Weinstein

    First off, I love the headline and feel the exact same way about the show in retrospect. I tried watching the first movie on a plane and after 45 minutes stopped the film and tried to jump out. I was a pseudo-fan as the show gave me something to talk about with my girlfriends, though I did pass on the opportunity to go to a book signing with Parker and Nixon, opting for a Counting Crows concert instead. The only show that really makes me feel the same way is Friends. I can't bear those re-runs.

    May 28, 2010 at 10:32AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Dan

    Bones is like that for me. There has been little to no character growth through the seasons, and I finally gave up on it this year. Whenever I catch a re-run now, I'm so frustrated with the characters that I can't even see the fun/potential that drew me to the show in the first place.

    May 28, 2010 at 10:33AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Clint

    The last season of Miami Vice killed the rest of the series for me. Or maybe it was just that the '80s ended. I also take the first finale of Magnum P.I. as the real finale. In my mind, Thomas Magnum died as he walked into heaven to a John Denver song.

    As for Sex in the City, I always thought it was vile, but I'm not in the demographic. I think my reaction to the existence to this film was similar to my ex-wife's reaction to the existence of Star Trek movies, while I never cared whether they were good or not.

    May 28, 2010 at 10:35AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Wylie76

    I really liked Heroes in its first season but after that it just got worse and worse which actually has made me reroactivelt dislike the first season.

    May 28, 2010 at 10:39AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Debbie

    I hate the movies. I pretend they do not exist. It's the only way I can still enjoy the original series.

    And I am totally the target demographic for SatC. But they've taken 4 beloved characters, people who I really cared about even though they lived a life so far from mine, and made them unrecognizable shrews.

    I was always intrigued by the idea that they could make a movie, and explain what happened next after the "happily ever after" of the series finale, but the execution has been atrocious.

    I also sort of experienced this with the X-files. I just wasn't willing to buy an X-Files that didn't have both Scully and Mulder, so I quit during the last season. And because it was the first show I really fangirl-ed, I was really bitter, so I swore off the show for a good 5-7 years. I've been going back though, and although I don't love the show as much as I used to, I still enjoy watching the earlier seasons.

    When re watching, though, it is still a little sad to watch the quality of the later seasons decline until I hit the point where I know I can't keep watching, because I already have that knowledge that the show is going to end badly.

    @Einhander: I know! I was watching Jerry Maguire the other day, and I could NOT stop laughing. I kept waiting for Jerry Maguire to jump on a couch and declare his love for Renee Z's character.

    May 28, 2010 at 10:47AM EST Reply to Comment
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    csobel

    I hated Sex and the City from the start (maybe I felt a little misled -- the promos made it seem like it was a good combo of "chick flick" and gratuitous male-oriented subject-matter (nudity, sex, etc.) -- but when the show aired, even the gratuitous stuff seemed chick oriented....kinda took the fun out of the stuff that was usually fun).

    Anyway, I loathed this show. Loath might not be strong enough a word. What come after "loath"? And, I was tricked into watching the first movie on DVD by my wife. (I was sick...weak and delirious, I'll claim to my dying day...) and I think I might have been scarred forever by having watched it. So, I have offered my wife a round-trip ticket to where her best friends live, hotel stay, car rental, and weekend spa treatment to go watch this sequel with her girls while I stay home with the three kids and carpool all weekend. Carpooling never sounded so good...

    May 28, 2010 at 10:49AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Maura "hate with a hot flaming passion" could come after "loathe". That's how I felt about the show. I've seen about a dozen episodes, every time when I was visiting someone. I thought it was a terrible show, and that the women were sad, shallow, and desperate.

      However, SatC as a social phenomenon has always fascinated me, and I've read several reviews of the latest movie. They've been pretty brutal because of how bad the writing is, and what's been done to the characters, but some of the critics are appalled at how offensive and insulting it is towards middle eastern culture and mores. So there's that aspect that has some people up in arms too.

      May 28, 2010 at 1:47PM EST


  • Your problem is that you even bothered to take the time to acknowledge the movies. I have not done that, so I still think fondly of the show. Sex and the City worked as a show because the immediate problems (get that date, get into that club) were superficial and perfect for the small timeframe of an episode and for those roughly sketched out characters. The larger themes (growing older, finding happiness) were nice to ponder and pick at from season to season but we never had to address them head on.The entire story telling mechinism of a movie is entirely different than that of a TV show. Can you even think of an example where a movie did a good job of advancing a storyline that was established in a TV show? I can't.

    May 28, 2010 at 10:53AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Eldritch


    "..it's not just unwatchable after, but where you can no longer enjoy the stuff you liked from the earlier years?"

    Battlestar Galactica's finale did that to me. Just made the characters and the things they fought meaningless.

    May 28, 2010 at 10:54AM EST Reply to Comment
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