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Firewall & Iceberg Podcast, episode 42: Shawn Ryan, 'Terriers,' 'Rubicon' and 'Mad Men'

A mega edition with a very special guest

By Alan Sepinwall Monday, Oct 18, 2010 4:24 PM

We had the longest-ever Firewall & Iceberg Podcast this week, as we welcomed our second Very Special Guest in Shawn Ryan to talk "Terriers" (which y'all really need to start watching if you haven't already), "Ride-along," "The Shield" and more, followed by long discussions of the "Rubicon" and "Mad Men." The run-down:

Shawn Ryan talks "Terriers" and "Ride-Along" -- 00:00 - 47:45

"Rubicon" finale -- 47:50 - 01:00:45

"Mad Men" finale -- 01:00:50 - 01:27:00

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Alan Sepinwall has been reviewing television since the mid-'90s, first for Tony Soprano's hometown paper, The Star-Ledger, and now for HitFix. His new book, "The Revolution Was Televised," about the last 15 years of TV drama, is for sale at Amazon. He can be reached at sepinwall@hitfix.com

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floretbroccoli

Fab! I've been waiting since last night to see what the two of you (TOGETHER) say about Jessica ParÃ©'s teeth.
October 18, 2010 at 4:42PM EST Reply to Comment
LDP in Cincinnati

I hope you asked Shawn Ryan when the Terriers theme song will be available on iTunes. It's excellent.
October 18, 2010 at 4:46PM EST Reply to Comment
- Yeah, I love the theme song. Youtube link, for those who haven't heard the full version:
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVHOn-S82ms
  October 18, 2010 at 4:50PM EST
Lionel Essrog

Are you guys *trying* to sound like complete juvenile a**holes when you talk about Jessica Pare's teeth?! Because that's really how you come across. It's completely offputting. I stopped listening at that point and will stop reading HitFix.
October 18, 2010 at 6:46PM EST Reply to Comment
- Renegade Are you her dentist? Sounds like you need an anaesthetic.....
  October 18, 2010 at 7:07PM EST
- dan Lionel - Hmmm... It's been a running joke stemming from strange obsessions that certain people have with her teeth. And we've all the while constantly emphasized the ridiculousness of said obsession.
  
  If you were a longtime reader/listener, we're terribly sorry to have lost you over something we spent five seconds on in a 90 minute podcast...
  
  -Daniel
  October 18, 2010 at 7:36PM EST
still playing catch up with The Wire

I have not seen The Shield yet and want to avoid spoilers for it. What part of the podcast is discussion of just Terriers?
October 18, 2010 at 9:00PM EST Reply to Comment
- sepinwall Other than the ending of one relatively self-contained, early episode, there are no Shield spoilers of any kind. We even talk about how there are still people like yourself (and like Dan was until recently) who haven't seen the show yet but intend to. It's safe.
  October 18, 2010 at 9:08PM EST
- still playing catch up with The Wire Okay, thank you for the response.
  October 18, 2010 at 9:52PM EST
Brad

Well, the podcast convince me to give Terriers a shot. One more viewer without a Nielsen box.

October 19, 2010 at 8:03PM EST Reply to Comment
- KarenX I was wondering about that. If you don't have a Nielsen box, you don't get counted as watching (or not watching) a show. But they are tracking Hulu and FX.com downloads easily from the site, for what those numbers are worth. What makes me wonder is the DVR numbers. Are cable companies tracking who records what shows and turning that data over (for good will or profit) to the networks? Or do people with Nielsen boxes just mark when they watch a show live or when they watch a show on their DVR?
  
  I know there's no actual marking on paper anymore, but you all know what I mean. It's something I've wondered about for a while ever since weekly ratings analysis became a popular topic of conversation.
  October 19, 2010 at 9:36PM EST
seaver78

Was it just me or does Shawn Ryan sound exactly like David Schwimmer?

The podcast takes on a whole new level of humor if you pretend it's Ross who's been working on these great shows.
October 20, 2010 at 10:32AM EST Reply to Comment
Great interview. I've been an admirer of Shawn Ryan's since I read The Shield pilot. What a smart guy.
October 20, 2010 at 8:08PM EST Reply to Comment
Joe

Nice work guys....Shawn is a good interview.

Any word on what might replace Mad Men for the end of the cast? Boardwalk, Terriers?
October 20, 2010 at 9:46PM EST Reply to Comment
Kujo

The Shawn Ryan interview was superb. I loved The Shield, The Unit (like mentioned on the podcast, totally under-appreciated), and now Terriers. Look forward to Ride-Along.
October 21, 2010 at 6:44PM EST Reply to Comment
Kujo

The Shawn Ryan interview was superb. I loved The Shield, The Unit (like mentioned on the podcast, totally under-appreciated), and now Terriers. Look forward to Ride-Along.
October 21, 2010 at 6:44PM EST Reply to Comment
- Daniel I could never get in to THE UNIT. The few episodes I saw seemed like a generic Bruckenheimer show with added melodrama. Looking forward to the podcast.
  October 22, 2010 at 9:28AM EST
LJA

I nagged a relative until she started watching Terrier this week. Now, she's a manical fan, facebooking all her friends, demanding they watch. It only takes one episode to get people hooked. C'mon everyone, work your friends and family over. You're doing them a favor!
October 24, 2010 at 3:58PM EST Reply to Comment

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floretbroccoli Fab! I've been waiting since last night to see what the two of you (TOGETHER) say about Jessica ParÃ©'s teeth.

LDP in Cincinnati I hope you asked Shawn Ryan when the Terriers theme song will be available on iTunes. It's excellent.

Yeah, I love the theme song. Youtube link, for those who haven't heard the full version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVHOn-S82ms

Lionel Essrog Are you guys *trying* to sound like complete juvenile a**holes when you talk about Jessica Pare's teeth?! Because that's really how you come across. It's completely offputting. I stopped listening at that point and will stop reading HitFix.

Renegade Are you her dentist? Sounds like you need an anaesthetic.....

still playing catch up with The Wire I have not seen The Shield yet and want to avoid spoilers for it. What part of the podcast is discussion of just Terriers?

sepinwall Other than the ending of one relatively self-contained, early episode, there are no Shield spoilers of any kind. We even talk about how there are still people like yourself (and like Dan was until recently) who haven't seen the show yet but intend to. It's safe.

still playing catch up with The Wire Okay, thank you for the response.

Brad Well, the podcast convince me to give Terriers a shot. One more viewer without a Nielsen box.

seaver78 Was it just me or does Shawn Ryan sound exactly like David Schwimmer? The podcast takes on a whole new level of humor if you pretend it's Ross who's been working on these great shows.

Great interview. I've been an admirer of Shawn Ryan's since I read The Shield pilot. What a smart guy.

Joe Nice work guys....Shawn is a good interview.Any word on what might replace Mad Men for the end of the cast? Boardwalk, Terriers?

Kujo The Shawn Ryan interview was superb. I loved The Shield, The Unit (like mentioned on the podcast, totally under-appreciated), and now Terriers. Look forward to Ride-Along.

Kujo The Shawn Ryan interview was superb. I loved The Shield, The Unit (like mentioned on the podcast, totally under-appreciated), and now Terriers. Look forward to Ride-Along.

Daniel I could never get in to THE UNIT. The few episodes I saw seemed like a generic Bruckenheimer show with added melodrama. Looking forward to the podcast.

LJA I nagged a relative until she started watching Terrier this week. Now, she's a manical fan, facebooking all her friends, demanding they watch. It only takes one episode to get people hooked. C'mon everyone, work your friends and family over. You're doing them a favor!

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floretbroccoli

Fab! I've been waiting since last night to see what the two of you (TOGETHER) say about Jessica ParÃ©'s teeth.

LDP in Cincinnati

I hope you asked Shawn Ryan when the Terriers theme song will be available on iTunes. It's excellent.

Yeah, I love the theme song. Youtube link, for those who haven't heard the full version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVHOn-S82ms

Lionel Essrog

Are you guys trying to sound like complete juvenile a**holes when you talk about Jessica Pare's teeth?! Because that's really how you come across. It's completely offputting. I stopped listening at that point and will stop reading HitFix.

still playing catch up with The Wire

I have not seen The Shield yet and want to avoid spoilers for it. What part of the podcast is discussion of just Terriers?

Brad

Well, the podcast convince me to give Terriers a shot. One more viewer without a Nielsen box.

seaver78

Was it just me or does Shawn Ryan sound exactly like David Schwimmer?

The podcast takes on a whole new level of humor if you pretend it's Ross who's been working on these great shows.

Joe

Nice work guys....Shawn is a good interview.

Any word on what might replace Mad Men for the end of the cast? Boardwalk, Terriers?

Kujo

The Shawn Ryan interview was superb. I loved The Shield, The Unit (like mentioned on the podcast, totally under-appreciated), and now Terriers. Look forward to Ride-Along.

Kujo

The Shawn Ryan interview was superb. I loved The Shield, The Unit (like mentioned on the podcast, totally under-appreciated), and now Terriers. Look forward to Ride-Along.

LJA

I nagged a relative until she started watching Terrier this week. Now, she's a manical fan, facebooking all her friends, demanding they watch. It only takes one episode to get people hooked. C'mon everyone, work your friends and family over. You're doing them a favor!

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