Review: 'Breaking Bad' - 'Crawl Space': Better off Ted
Walt and Jesse's circumstances change dramatically once again
Gus (Giancarlo Esposito) on "Breaking Bad."
Are you a fan of Breaking Bad?
Sign up to get the latest updates instantly.
A review of tonight's "Breaking Bad" coming up just as soon as I feel sorry for your tastebuds...
"You are done." -Gus
"Breaking Bad" was off the air for so long in between seasons 3 and 4 that a great number of TV shows lived out entire lifespans in between. Some were terrible ("Outsourced," "Feces My Dad Says"), some were forgettable ("Undercovers," "The Whole Truth"), and a few were pretty freakin' great. One of those was FX's hard-boiled buddy comedy "Terriers" - and if you didn't see it at the time, I highly, highly endorse downloading the series on iTunes or Amazon (Fox Home Entertainment isn't interested in a DVD release at the moment), and, in the event you do that, I also would strongly suggest skipping ahead to the paragraph after the one-word paragraph - which, among other notable things, made good use of Ted Beneke himself, Christopher Cousins, during the hiatus.
Cousins played a wealthy land developer named Robert Lindus who got involved in a variety of shady deals, and who ran afoul of our heroes, low-down private eyes Hank and Britt. Lindus wound up in jail for a while, then asked Hank and Britt to bail him out and help him flee from the real big bads, and along the way his impatience to escape eventually put him square in the path of an oncoming car, and he died very suddenly and very stupidly.
I bring this up not only because Ted Beneke died in much the same way (with a hint of Cheddar White Boy Bob in "Out of Sight" and/or any other similarly abrupt black comic klutzy death scene), but because the title of that "Terriers" episode is about the most apt description I can think of for the events of this episode:
"Fustercluck."
What a complete and utter mess this is.
Mike's recuperating in a very white tent inside a Mexican warehouse. Gus is putting on a good front but still recovering slowly from the poison he ingested at Don Eladio's place. Ted got himself killed running away from Saul's goons (with a little help from Chekhov's Throw Rug). Jesse's running the Super Lab on his own, and though he doesn't want Walt dead, he also understandably wants nothing to do with him. Hank is marked for death by Gus, and Walt is planning to blow up his life and run away - except, of course, Skyler has spent the great majority of the money he needs to run away on buying a car wash they no longer need and paying off a dead man's tax bill.
This is a disaster of such epic proportions that you can hardly blame Walt for letting his primal screams of anguish turn into maniacal laughter. If he were anyone other than Walter White, this would be kind of hilarious, in a sick and twisted way. And even as Walter White, who's been preparing to die for a long time now, it's the only response left to him. (And that's without either Walt or Skyler knowing that Ted's dead, baby. Ted's dead.)
Wow.
Vince Gilligan and company(*) seem to be spending this back half of the season playing a game of Can You Top This? with the closing moments of each episode: Hank's monologue at the end of "Problem Dog." The death of Max in the long Spanish-language flashback in "Hermanos." Walt and Jesse's throwdown in "Bug." Gus taking out Don Eladio's entire organization in one fell swoop in "Salud." And now this: Walter White having pulled the ripcord on his own life, only to discover he doesn't have the money to pay for the parachute, and lying amid the filth and light cash reserves of the crawl space, laughing his fool head off while Skyler begins to realize just how bad things have gotten.
(*) Here represented by writers Sam Catlin and George Mastras, and by director Scott Winant, best known for his work on HerskoZwick shows like "thirtysomething" and "My So-Called Life," but who directed last season's "Green Light."
Ordinarily, TV shows where each episode tries to outdo the one before become unbearable in a hurry (see "Nip/Tuck," or the later seasons of any Ryan Murphy or David E. Kelley show), but here it's all felt of a piece, with the stakes escalating as Walt's world crumbles at the same time that Gus's empire is ascendant. Walt has alienated his wife and his partner, has let his son see him at his lowest, has lost most of the money that he got in business with Gus Fring for in the first place, and now he's just hung a very large "Please Kill Me" sign over his head at the moment when he has no way out.
And while we all know that Walt will get out of this somehow, because he's got 18 episodes to go after this one, in the moment the show and its cast and crew do such an exceptional job of making us forget about that. Bryan Cranston is so anguished and regretful and terrified as Walt goes to see Saul, and then goes sprinting to pack up his life in an hour, that suddenly it doesn't matter what I know objectively as a TV viewer: what Walt knows is that he's going to be dead in a hurry if he doesn't get that cash in a hurry, and his performance is so powerful and frayed that that becomes all that I'm aware of as well.
Running out of superlatives about the back half of this season. All I can say is that I can't wait to see what comes next.
Some other thoughts:
• Loved the teaser and its glimpse of the special mobile emergency room Gus set up for himself, Mike and Jesse, just in case. (And the fact that there was blood on hand for Jesse should put to rest, once and for all, any speculation that Mike was about to kill Jesse when he got shut. It looked to me then, and seems very clear now, that he was just reacting to the gunman's approach, and couldn't fire in time.)
• Is there a special Emmy category for Best Silent Performance? Because Mark Margolis as Tio Hector in this one - damn. That's not just silent: that's showing a wide swath of grief and rage while restricted to a very limited range of expression. Great character, great performance. And the sick genius of it is, Gus has no need to kill Hector. If anything, that would be a kindness, where instead he can live him as a prisoner of his own body, knowing that all his friends, family and allies have been killed by the Chicken Man.
• Note also that Tio is watching the famous "What have I done?" climactic moment from "The Bridge on the River Kwai." That's a sentiment that more or less applies to Walter White - who's also obsessed with making the best possible product for the worst possible reasons - for the life of this series. Wonder if there's foreshadowing, and that Walt may wind up blowing up Gus's house, the laundromat, or some other part of the empire.
• Interesting to see that Jesse has finally forgiven himself enough to have Andrea and her son over for video games and snacks. I also like that Jesse can draw a line between understandably despising Mr. White and wanting nothing to do with him, and wanting Gus to kill the guy. Our man has grown and changed, but not that much.
• Boy, Hank is smart. So smart it may get him killed, but he keeps being three steps ahead of Walt, Gus, Tyrus, everybody.
• I can't say I'm exactly mourning Beneke. What a smug, hypocritical, insufferable sleaze that guy was. And if he'd just sat and watched cable with Huell and the red-headed guy, he'd still be alive, well, and not on a road to jail.
• Also, what's up with the two goons wearing Marie's beloved purple in Saul's office?
• I want to see a Tumblr that's nothing but screencaps of Walt's Aztek getting into fender-benders.
• I don't know if the cloud passing overhead in the middle of the Gus/Walt desert scene was a total accident, or if Winant and Michael Slovis saw it coming and set up the shot accordingly, but man, did that look cool.
What did everybody else think?
Alan Sepinwall may be reached at sepinwall@hitfix.com
News From Our Partners
-
The Telefile - Modern Family: Best Lines of the Season 3 Finale
The Telefile - Today's TWoP News: Wednesday, May 23, 2012
The Telefile - Today's TWoP News: Tuesday, May 22, 2012
-
Total Recall: Will Smith's Best Movies
Cannes 2012: Critics Scorecard
24 Frames: The Films of Wes Anderson
-
Pamela Newton: My 'Downton Abbey' Fantasy Life
Remy M. Maisel: It Turns Out, We Can Indeed Haz Super PAC: Part I
WATCH: Reporter Fakes Sandstorm On Live TV
-
Gateways To Geekery: There’s more to Russ Meyer’s films than breasts, though those are pretty important
Interview: Men In Black 3 director Barry Sonnenfeld on creating character and managing 3-D
The Walkthrough: 30 Rock showrunner Robert Carlock walks us through some recent series highlights
-
Brandi Glanville Claims She Hooked Up With Gerard Butler
Charlie Sheen Talks Ladies – Onscreen & Off
Jonah Hill ‘Overwhelmed’ By ‘Moneyball’ Supporting Actor Nomination
-
The Dandy Warhols Celebrate 18 Years Together
Lady Gaga Turns Yellow For The Simpsons
Dance Music Vocalist Susana Releasing New Album
-
'Dark Knight Rises' TV Spots: A Lighter Side Of Batman
Emma Stone Nabs First 'MTV Trailblazer Award'
Charlize Theron Gives Dirty Details About Michael Fassbender
-
Russell Crowe, Elvis Costello, Sing Elvis Presley And Johnny Cash In London
Zero Dark Thirty: Kathryn Bigelow, Mark Boal, Given Secret Access By CIA For bin Laden Film
'Transformers 3' Extra Receives $18.5 Million Settlement For Injury
About This Blog
All through his childhood, Alan Sepinwall's relatives told his parents, "All that boy does is watch television! How's he going to make a living doing that?" His career as a TV critic has been 15 years and counting of his attempt to answer their concerns. "What's Alan Watching" is a blog whose title is self-explanatory: Alan watches TV shows, then writes about what he watched. He can be reached at sepinwall@hitfix.com
Get Instant Alerts on What's Alan Watching
HitFix Poll
Will you still watch Community without Dan Harmon behind it?
Latest Posts
-
Our summer rewind will take us into season 2 of 'Deadwood'Thursday, May 24, 2012
-
Danny Masterson and friends don't do much of interest in Breckin Meyer-created sitcomWednesday, May 23, 2012
-
Celebrate the finale's anniversary with Jack, Sawyer, Hurley and friendsWednesday, May 23, 2012
-
Dan and Alan also review TBS' 'Men at Work' and announce their summer rewatchTuesday, May 22, 2012

Comments
Option 1
Comment instantly as a guest GuestOption 2
Option 3
Login or create a HitFix account Login Signup- 1
- 2
- 3
- 4
- 5
- 6
Next 549 Commentsvelocityknown
September 25, 2011 at 11:08PM EST Reply to CommentChekov's Rug.
Good freaking Lord that episode was insane. I was on the verge of tears at the end simply due to the intensity of those final moments. I seriously though Walt was going to climb out of that crawl space and attack Skylar for a moment, but the reaction we got was much more frightening. Bryan Cranston could just submit that moment for his Emmy consideration and win unanimously.
And to your point about the show's creators being able to make us forget we still have a season left. The drama in this show is so real and the risks so daring that I honestly believe that Walt could've killed Jesse last week or that Gus could have killed Walt this week.
If something happens to Hank...oh man...it doesn't even matter because it's going to be great.
How high is this show in the Pantheon of All Time Greats now?
Mike Unlike Chuck Klosterman at Grantland, I'm not ready to put this ahead of The Wire yet, but it's making a damn strong argument for second place with this season, as well as the previous one. At the very least this has to be the year that Breaking Bad finally takes Best Drama from Mad Men since I don't know how Mad Men could possibly top this.
September 25, 2011 at 11:14PM ESTLinda B. Right, Mike. IMO, The Wire ranks number one. However, I reserve final judgement until the conclusion of any show in contention.
September 25, 2011 at 11:21PM EST
After these last few episodes its now right there with The Wire as far as im concerned, and by the time its done it will be alone in the top spot
September 25, 2011 at 11:21PM ESTOmagus "At the very least this has to be the year that Breaking Bad finally takes Best Drama from Mad Men since I don't know how Mad Men could possibly top this."
September 25, 2011 at 11:28PM EST--
I don't know if you meant Best Drama during awards season or in a more general sense but it's also noteworthy that Mad Men won't be eligible for next year's Golden Globes (I think) or Emmys. I'm not sure there will be anything stopping Breaking Bad from sweeping the entire drama category.
BORING How high? Pretty freakin low... I mean how many $$$ did they spend figuring how to kill off Ted??? Smacked of Desperate Housewives. I laugh out loud during that scene.
September 25, 2011 at 11:35PM ESTSteven Mad Men will also be eligible for the Emmy's next year. It premieres early 2012.
September 25, 2011 at 11:35PM ESTOne of the best episodes of television, ever.
Earl Doom At this rate, I'm convinced the season finale will actually kill some viewers at home. And the series finale will destroy Luxembourg and South Dakota.
September 25, 2011 at 11:36PM ESTMatt For me, the conversation is about which show is #2, because its hard to imagine anything ever passing The Wire. While most great dramas explore the flaws, sins, and complexities of individual characters, The Wire did that magnificently but also went to another level by also exploring society as a whole in a way that no show has ever done in any comparable fashion.
September 25, 2011 at 11:36PM ESTBut Breaking Bad is really making a strong push for my #2 spot. Much of the drama in The Sopranos was based around people who are so villainous that they don't really seem that real to us. The brilliance of Breaking Bad is that we got to see how someone turns into that big of a villain. Its not that Tony Soprano is any more evil than Walt or Gus, its that we believe it with someone like Walt because they've spent 4 seasons methodically turning him into that.
Omagus Maybe I misunderstand how eligibility works for these awards shows. Ah, well.
September 25, 2011 at 11:46PM ESTIn addition to what Matt said about The Wire, the other reason I'm not sure Breaking Bad can surpass it is because of rewatchability. I've watched the entire series of The Wire from beginning to end five or six times, and each time can discover something new. Because so much of Breaking Bad's greatness depends on suspense, I don't see it holding up the same way.
HA Look, I know we are all smoking a little blue meth right now after that ep.. But this show is no where near The Wire.
September 25, 2011 at 11:50PM ESTGarySF Boring, I laughed out loud too during the whole Ted scene. And his death by season's end was telegraphed and speculated on here at the blog. This show is oftentimes a black comedy. If you LOL'd, your reaction was exactly what the producers intended...which speaks to brilliance of this show.
September 25, 2011 at 11:50PM ESTLoretta_ @ Earl Doom: Bravo, sir. Comment of the night.
September 26, 2011 at 12:20AM EST
@Omagus, I'm not sure I agree about the suspense affecting Breaking Bad's longevity. I've rewatched seasons 1-3 a couple times and they were just as great.
September 26, 2011 at 12:34AM ESTAs to Breaking Bad's pantheon placement, I would put it above The Wire mainly because of acting. Nobody on The Wire gave a performance of Bryan Cranston's caliber, or of Aaron Paul's.
Agree with Ryan. To me the re-watch factor of a show has much more to do with overall quality and not with suspense. I dont care if i know whats coming, its the execution of those moments that make it great, and no show executes better then Breaking Bad. I've rewatched this series at least 5 times and loved every minute of it every sinle time simply because each time im totally aware that im witnessing greatness, and im grateful. Ive rewatched the wire about 6 times as well, and yes ive caught new things on the 4th and 5th times but thats not the only factor, i rewatch the wire mainly because its freaking amazing and as high quality television as youre gonna find, same goes for breaking bad.
September 26, 2011 at 1:24AM EST
Also, when it comes to rewatchability, the best show ever is Arrested Development.
September 26, 2011 at 1:38AM ESTJohn It's too early because we don't know how it's going to finish, and there's always a chance that Gilligan screws up the ending. I don't think that will happen, but you never know. Right now, I have it ranked third behind only The Sopranos and The Wire, in that order. Sorry, but the first season of The Wire moves at a glacier-like pace through most of its first season, and Marlo was a TERRIBLE villain for the final two seasons--combined with the fact that The Sopranos only made one bad episode in its entire run ("The Test Dream"), and I just can't give The Wire the nod over The Sopranos for the top spot.
September 26, 2011 at 4:50AM ESTI think The Wire produced the two single best seasons of any drama in the history of television (Seasons 2 and 3--combined with the last few episodes of Season 1, this is the greatest stretch in the history of TV dramas), and the penultimate episode of Season 3 ("Middle Ground") gets my vote for the best single episode in the history of TV dramas, with the climactic scene getting my vote for the best single scene in the history of TV dramas. Don't get me wrong. I love The Wire. But The Sopranos was a more consistent show from start to finish, and it produced 26 more episodes, which has to be accounted for.
Getting back to Breaking Bad. I have it ranked third right now, but I think it has the potential to pass both The Sopranos and The Wire when it's all said and done. If I had to bet on it, I'd guess that it will stay at No. 3. But it has a chance to get to the top spot. And I never thought I'd see another television show on that level after I watched The Sopranos and The Wire for the first time. It's just an astonishing piece of work, and it has never put out a bad episode.
keith Buffy > Sopranos.
September 26, 2011 at 10:09AM ESTKen from Chicago In the words of the great Youtube video:
September 26, 2011 at 2:19PM EST"Leave Aztek alone!!!"
Why must gadgets suffer for Walt's sins? DJ Roomba, The RV and of course, the long-suffering Aztek. Why, tell me, why?
Clearly the series finale will feature getting run over by his Aztek (with Jesse at wheel, prolly after finding out about Jane) as it finally gets its revenge for months of abuse.
Mark 1. The Wire
September 26, 2011 at 4:20PM EST2. The Shield
3. Arrested Development
4. Venture Bros.
5. Breaking Bad
6. The Sopranos
7. Deadwood
Damn fine company to be in.
Jackface @JOHN I am surprised at how strongly I disagree with you on a number of points, while agreeing with you that these three shows are the best three all-time dramas.
September 26, 2011 at 4:26PM ESTFirst, I don't think Marlo was a terrible villain. Personally, I found him terrifying, every bit the "new breed" that everyone from Cuddy to Bodie identified him as. You so much as sneezed incorrectly around him, and he'd kill you, or worse. Randy was barely what I'd call a snitch, but Marlo's rumors ended up with his foster mom torched to a crisp. The guy was freaky as hell.
Which leads me to my next point: I think Season 4 was the best season of The Wire and the best drama season of all time. The finale, which I just rewatched, is very, very powerful.
Finally, I can't believe you called "The Test Dream" a horrible episode. Couldn't disagree more.
Pawel Mizgalewicz I'm still convinced Mad Men is number 2. These are two entirely different shows, MM and Breaking Bad, both so outstanding in their category of choice, it's hard to make a comparison. But for me, Mad Men is so damn rich and illuminating, not only as a piece of art, but also as a smartest philosophical piece about human identity to come out from XXI century America, that it's still number 2 and I suppose years from now it will be mentioned in one breath with "The Wire".
September 28, 2011 at 1:50PM ESTJanieJones
September 25, 2011 at 11:08PM EST Reply to CommentOH. MY. The Astek, gets a beating and kicks on ticking. Someone must be doing a thesis on the car and comparative something or another....
Walt, pictured at the end, in maniacal laughter, trapped, looked as if he was in his grave.
Will he have the last laugh?
Hank keeps on ticking too. He's like a dog that won't let go of a shoe.
I have to gather my thoughts. Tasered-not something I would want to feel.
Ron Mexico
September 25, 2011 at 11:10PM EST Reply to CommentThere's a couple things that make me eager to label Breaking Bad as the best show on television right now. As we approach the end of the season, it makes me tremendously sad to realize that we're closer to the end than the beginning, and thank god we know we have a little more time in Vince Gilligan's world. We're two months away from Thanksgiving, but I know I'm thankful for:
1) Indelible Characters: With Cranston originally at the heart of the show, it has grown beyond being only about Mr. White. With Aaron Paul's incredible performance as Jesse, and supporting performances from the calculating Gus and weary Mike et al. I know I wouldn't be the only person willing to watch a Mike spinoff on his backstory, or even a comedy with Saul. Of course, beyond the performances is the fact that underpinning these performances is...
2) Tremendous Writing: What amazes me about "Breaking Bad" is how it is completely unpredictable, and is unpredictable in an interesting, organic way, as opposed to a frustrating, annoying way (see: "Heroes"). The characters react realistically given their proclivities and personal failings, and the fact that what happens next is not telegraphed (for my simple mind) makes every minute of Breaking Bad amazing.
JanieJones I agree. BB has opened up a whole new can of how to take television viewing to another level. The acting, writing, editing, cinematography, directing is unbelievable. I would suppose Gilligan may take a break after this show.
September 25, 2011 at 11:18PM ESTHe should teach a class on creating a show that create seemingly imaginable and unimaginable circumstances that devolve and evolve the characters.
Just unbelievable.
brentalistair
September 25, 2011 at 11:10PM EST Reply to CommentI though the Beneke thing was just a little too "convenient" and honestly Walt seems to be overreacting a little and its strange to me that it is as much the fault of Jesse's screwups as Walt's aggression that makes them such a risk. But it was all still gripping drama.
brentalistair I mean to say that it seems odd that Gus has forgotten or put behind him at least, the fact that Jesse's screwups created as much risk for him as Walt's aggressive reactions. He has as much reason to be angry at either of them for screwing with his business but he seems to put it all on Walt.
September 25, 2011 at 11:15PM ESTlarrybraverman I wouldn't say Walt was totally overreacting. But I felt like his "they're going to kill my family" to Saul needed to be followed with "unless I just shut up and leave Jesse alone." Yeah, Hank's at risk. But I agree that Walt probably has more than an hour to bounce. And now with the tip to the DEA he's gone and made things worse.
September 25, 2011 at 11:16PM ESTJimmbo He had to inform DEA ASAP to save Hank. Having done that, his family was at risk. If you'd take your sweet time with your family slated for murder, then maybe you should have a show about you! :).
September 25, 2011 at 11:30PM ESTKevin In regards to the Beneke situation, can we be sure that he's actually dead? While all signs seem to point that way, I noticed that Saul kind of trails off when discussing what happened to him. I may be over-analyzing, but with this show it never pays to assume.
September 25, 2011 at 11:49PM ESTGreat episode, as always. Saying an episode of BB is awesome is like saying the sun is hot. It's pretty much understood (and an understatement).
James @Jimmbo: He informed the DEA because he thought he had the money to make his family disappear. I have to think if he'd known it was gone he would have at least hesitated before protecting Hank (his brother-in-law by marriage) over his immediate family. His tip to the DEA did make things worse, though he didn't realize it at the time.
September 26, 2011 at 12:01AM EST@Kevin: The natural conclusion is that Ted is dead, but I'm also skeptical about it based on the general rule that you have to see the body (or at the least have someone actually say he's dead). We'll see but I guess I wouldn't really be surprised either way.
Ron Mexico I just realized, as I've been watching parts of this ep for the second time - why would Gus tip his hand to Walter that he was going to kill Hank? Up until this point, Gus has pretty consistently been one step ahead of Walt - surely he would have known that by tipping his hand he'd be pretty much prompting a call from Walt to protect Hank somehow? I'm guessing the explanation is one of two possibiliities: either 1) this is part of a scheme where Gus has taken into account Walt's moves here and we'll be surprised that Walt's actions all play into a larger Gus plan, or 2) now that Gus has wiped out the Cartel he's become a careless (which hasn't been really tipped off any other way).
September 26, 2011 at 12:18AM ESTGus was unusually brutal during his final scene with Walt, with Esposito showing a side that I don't think I've really seen before (I don't think he was this visibly enraged when he slit his henchman's throat with the boxcutter). Perhaps this is VG setting the table for a future Gus Fring downfall? Gus' anger and emotions are usually so repressed that seeing him at the end was a bit surprising.
The other bit that I've just realized about Breaking Bad is that I find myself having no idea how the series will end. I can see pretty much all of these characters dying as early as the next episode or living through the end of the series. I have to think we'll see Heisenberg at some point in the series again, which I am looking forward to.
Also, I was surprised that Walt drove the Aztek into the accident; wouldn't the Super Lab have been designed to be able to withstand external visual scrutiny, such as a stakeout?
And, a joke that was funnier than most jokes in today's sitcoms:
"Did the laundry have to be dirty?"
"No."
Kendra I think Walt has sufficient reason to react the way he did. Either way, he knows his usefulness to Gus is over and it's time to split.
September 26, 2011 at 12:22AM ESTAs for Ted, his death isn't really all that convenient. Had it happened before Skyler gave him the money, then it would have been. The IRS would have just seized whatever assets he had and closed the case. Now the money is gone when they need it. And Ted didn't need it after all.
His death was just a comedic moment for the show.
GarySF Kendra, I think Brentalistair meant Ted's death was convenient, or easy, from a writing standpoint, not convenient in the context of the plot or how it will affect the characters.
September 26, 2011 at 12:30AM ESTbrentalistair Yeah. Pretty much GarySF. Thanks. I meant that Ted is introduced as a kind of complication to Walt and Skyler's enterprise and then all of a sudden, without either character having to do anything as drastic as having him killed, it seems as if he is suddenly out of the picture in an entirely freakish occurrence (assuming that he is dead of course). It just seemed like an easy way for the writers to tie up a loose end.
September 26, 2011 at 1:05AM ESTMark Completely disagree on Ted's death being convenient. It is utterly inconvenient as he died while in possession of the $617k that would allow Walt and his family to disappear. Now with Ted dead and Skylar having ripped up the check he gave her that money is forever lost. All season long Walt and Skylar have been taking half measures and once again it comes back to bite them in the ass! Interestingly thought Gus has also taken a half measure as Walt is still alive. Gus has made a big mistake. He has in a sense allied himself with Jesse and by doing so has given him the power to force Gus to keep Walt alive. This will probably be Gus' undoing.
September 26, 2011 at 3:23AM ESTkbailey3131 I agree about the convenience with which the Beneke storyline was wrapped up, that felt out of place here, even for the dark comedic blends that BB likes to add from time to time. I also agreed with a poster in another comment about how out of character it felt to me to see Gus tipping his hand like that. It felt like more time had passed than we had seen. But alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll was forgiven in that final scene of the episode. No show has made me feel trapped in the emotional mess the characters find themselves like this show has.
September 26, 2011 at 3:25AM ESTMatt I don't think Ted's death is convenient at all. A dead guy just paid off his overwhelming back taxes? A more plausible story is the guy kills himself, and never pays. They should not have mailed the check after he died. Skyler could be in for some strange questions coming up.
September 26, 2011 at 9:32AM ESTSaul Goodman I don't think the mailing of the check will be an issue...dropboxes don't have timestamps. Ted's accidental death would be seen as more of a freak coincidence than foul play.
September 26, 2011 at 10:38AM ESTBen Beneke's death was supposed to be hilarious. That's why as soon Walt broke into Saul's office, the mood changed immediately and unexpectedly. Beneke's death was a comic diversion for the punch in the face of the last two minutes of the episode.
September 26, 2011 at 9:40PM ESTcgeye @Ron Mexico -- I used to say that we've never seen Gus draw a stupid breath, but now that he's gone and done his Inigo Montoya thing, he's actually lost -- he's lost so much, and made others lose so much, that there's a freedom at the end of the tunnel he might not know what to do with.
September 27, 2011 at 12:31AM ESTAlso note that his thugs have been able to be more tacky and openly brutal, and now that his vengeance is done, he can 'relax' and say what's on his mind -- thus losing the singular power he had through his self-discipline and calm.
Gus didn't read Jesse (else Walt would already be dead, instead of a loose cannon) and he didn't read Walt. He knows Walt is venal, but above all he loves to be intellectually flattered. Gus could have lied and said Jesse can be relocated to another plant, in a nice community, while Walt stays working in ABQ. The business would expand to fill the cartel's vacuum, everyone would get more cash... and one night when everyone's asleep, someone would tamper with the heater, and the family would appear to die of carbon monoxide poisoning. One needle would take care of Jesse, and with the documentation recorded during surveillance and on the Mexican trip, it wouldn't take a year for Gus to train his new, straightedge, cancer-free recruits how to cook... just like a chicken franchise. And, if Hank doesn't expose it, he'll use his multinational to grow worldwide.
Gus, even in his rage, used to take the long view. Now he's endangering himself, at the very moment when his forces are sapped, because he wanted the ego-boo of making Walter While piss his pants. He used to want more.
larrybraverman
September 25, 2011 at 11:11PM EST Reply to CommentWas red-headed guy the actor from the car wash inspection?
Also, I was wondering if this will be the last time we see Tio...
Eyeball Wit I think it was the "EPA" guy from the car wash.
September 25, 2011 at 11:27PM ESTVince Gilligan in the podcast mentioned that we'd see him again later in the season.
CT Mike That red-headed guy is a comedian named Bill Burr. I find him to be pretty funny.
September 25, 2011 at 11:30PM ESTKevin Yep, same guy. His name's Bill Burr, and he's a stand up comedian. Very funny guy. Check him out on youtube.
September 25, 2011 at 11:39PM ESTpapoon While Burr may embody his surname for some, his weekly podcast is worth a listen:
September 26, 2011 at 9:07AM ESThttp://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/bill-burr-monday-morning-podcast/id399178894
Brian The video of Bill Burr taking on an entire crowd of angry Philly hecklers while being booed for 10 solid minutes is hilarious and awesome.
September 26, 2011 at 1:11PM ESThttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S4nSzE4N-o
nate Bill Burr's MM Podcast is one of the few I listen to ahead of Firewall & Iceberg. Very vulgar, but very funny.
September 26, 2011 at 7:13PM ESTBen Lavell Crawford, Bill Odenkirk and Bill Burr - hilarious!
September 26, 2011 at 9:42PM EST
I remember Bill Burr from Chappelle's Show. Funny guy.
September 27, 2011 at 11:16AM ESTMatthew
September 25, 2011 at 11:12PM EST Reply to CommentI think Walter White just transformed into The Joker.
Exactly what I was thinking
September 25, 2011 at 11:44PM ESTDee Dee That's what I thought! Not 'The Dark Knight' Joker, but the 1989, Tim Burton's 'Batman' Joker. Specifically, the scene when Nicholson's Joker sees his messed-up face for the first time in the mirror, breaks it, sounds like he's going to cry and then starts laughing so hysterically that he barely makes it up the stairs. Then again I always think of that scene when any character's mind snaps and they act as though they heard the funniest joke of their lives... I've re-watched the last 5 minutes of Crawl Space about half a dozen times and BC's acting combined with the long slow pullback... and then Walt not seeing the humor in the situation anymore, looking like he just realized he's been buried alive, still packs as much of a wallop as the first viewing.
September 26, 2011 at 3:46AM ESTBen Said it a million times, but the Cinematography is spectacular - never has the Sonoran sun been so sinister. This show is essentially a Western.
September 26, 2011 at 9:47PM ESTDaniel
September 25, 2011 at 11:12PM EST Reply to CommentThe cloud had to of been digitally added to the scene, right? It was too perfect.
Sometimes shots just happen perfectly on this show though. I don't think I need to mention the pizza...
September 25, 2011 at 11:14PM ESTDaniel The pizza was amazing. But the clouds weren't moving at all in the scene. It stuck out to me a little.
September 25, 2011 at 11:17PM ESTchairthrower You'll note we were too far away in that scene to see their lips moving, or even gesturing all that much. They edited in the dialog later, I'm guessing.
September 26, 2011 at 1:14AM ESTpaullu Based on how the scene was staged, I don't think the cloud passing overhead was digitally added. They used a long shot, with the dialogue looped. It didn't look to me like anyone was even talking when the cloud was passing overhead.
September 26, 2011 at 1:35AM ESTMy guess is that they saw the clouds, told everyone to stay in their positions while it passed over, and added the dialogue later once they figured out how to use the shot.
digamma Anytime you could actually see Esposito's and Cranston's faces, the sun was on them. While they were in the shade, they were shown from far away. So they could even have been body doubles.
September 26, 2011 at 7:27AM ESTdjc got a call during the US airing of the ep from a cousin in dublin, ireland. she was at a BB viewing party. she was screaming "anything in america! hospitals in feckin' tents, piles of yer greenbacks in the cellar, and clouds on CUE! america is amazin'!!"
September 26, 2011 at 10:05AM ESTnimrod1313 If you listen to the BrBa Ep 411 PodCasts you will hear that the cloud was real.
September 26, 2011 at 2:14PM ESTTruck They definitely overdubbed the audio in the cloud scene. Moments before that Walt had to overdub a sentence in the middle of a little monologue and it stuck out like a sore thumb. The cloud scene went back to it (clearly not on-location audio).
September 26, 2011 at 7:12PM ESTMike
September 25, 2011 at 11:12PM EST Reply to CommentWhat an incredible ending. I'm having trouble moving right now.
Omagus
September 25, 2011 at 11:12PM EST Reply to CommentCheddar Bob is from "8 Mile." The guy in "Out of Sight" was named White Boy Bob.
sepinwall You are correct, sir.
September 25, 2011 at 11:15PM ESTtim_isola
September 25, 2011 at 11:13PM EST Reply to Commentoh.......my.......god.......i cant believe this show, its freakin amazing, wow
DGB
September 25, 2011 at 11:14PM EST Reply to CommentI gotta believe that one possible scenario is Witness Protection for the Whites
chairthrower They go somewhere, Walt can't stay away from the thrill of the cook, Gus finds out . . . and we have a Season 5.
September 26, 2011 at 1:15AM ESTC Well, it's easy to change hair color, eye color, clothing, names ... but pretty tough to change Cerebral Palsy :(
September 26, 2011 at 2:39PM ESTGreg Mandel If Walt goes Witness Protection, he would have to turn state's evidence against Gus, so Gus would be locked up.
September 26, 2011 at 2:43PM ESTed_cidade
September 25, 2011 at 11:14PM EST Reply to CommentI loved the shot in the desert with the hard caliche and soft clouds. Reminded me of the opening shots of "No Country for Old Men."
ryan
September 25, 2011 at 11:16PM EST Reply to Commentgolf wang
L.S. ODOM Are you implying that Walter White is gonna Kill Them All?
September 26, 2011 at 12:16AM ESTsmitty I've officially seen Odd Future everywhere.
September 26, 2011 at 5:06AM ESTDonBoy
September 25, 2011 at 11:17PM EST Reply to CommentI was JUST explaining to my mother last week that you have to fasten down all the EDGES of a rug like that, not just the corners, on a hardwood floor. Vindicated!
Are we sure Ted really did want Skyler to give him even more money, or is there a chance he really was just giving it back? Was Skyler being maybe "three steps ahead" of Ted in the progession of crime? Usually in a scene like that you'd expect him to pretend to "come around" to taking more money, but he seemed serious.
Earl Doom That's what's bugging me: what if Ted WASN'T blackmailing Skyler, just trying to back out of an uncomfortable situation and not knowing how to make himself understood? If so, then it would elicit the only sliver of sympathy I have for Ted.
September 25, 2011 at 11:41PM ESTJimmbo Gilligan is always ambiguous with regard to intent. it's refreshing, because that's what real life, whereas tv/film always makes intentions obvious...and tells the audience how to react, to boot.
September 25, 2011 at 11:48PM ESTcgeye I think Ted was wrestling with being bone stupid, convinced because he was a lucky guy before that somehow it would hold (without his lover trying to help... terminal case of pride), and sheer stubborness. Like I still can't figure out what he thought would happen once he chose not to pay -- not for the friggin' life of me can I see an outcome that's either not turning state's evidence, or accepting blackmail funds.
September 26, 2011 at 12:17AM ESTI'd almost say the writing staff dropped the ball, but seeing Ted die was so satisfying that I really wasn't going to speak up about it....
L.S. ODOM Was wondering about that too...Skyler was very much in 'Walt mode' there - note Walter analyzing aloud to Gus exactly why he couldn't kill him right then and there in the desert (and at that moment I thought to myself, "Oh just shoot him, Gus"). Walt seems to have a way of rubbing off on the people cloest to him...note again Jesse playing badass in Mexico. The beauty of your original question, though, is now, we'll never truly know. Awesome episode.
September 26, 2011 at 12:28AM ESTTrilby Thank you! It seemed to me that Ted never had a thought to blackmail Skylar, but dumb Skylar --doing all the "thinking" for everybody all the time -- put it out there, and even then Ted didn't get it. He had not thought of blackmailing Skylar but she was doing her best to twist his arm into blackmailing her. That was my take, anyway.
September 26, 2011 at 7:42AM ESTpapoon I need to watch the episode again, but did anyone else think Ted was trying to entrap Skyler and get her to say something incriminating on tape for the Feds? The shadow of Ted's head in the hallway seemed to suggest another presence in the house.
September 26, 2011 at 9:15AM ESTDonBoy I'm also a bit skeptical of the idea that the choices are "Ted pays all his tax bill right now" or "everyone goes to jail". Although Skyler said last week that negotiating with the IRS doesn't happen, I've always thought that if you are up front with them, you can work out a payment plan over time.
September 26, 2011 at 10:42AM ESTcgeye but Skyler was more interested in the IRS simply getting out of Ted's life -- if he negotiated, that'd mean a longer time where they'd possibly investigate the car wash, since she's such a ditz with the books.... anything that lets the Feds near her family, she considers a threat.
September 26, 2011 at 2:44PM ESTGreg Mandel No, go back and listen to the way Ted responds when Skyler accuses him of blackmailing her. It's classic weaselly Ted. He hems and haws. If he didn't have that intention, he would have responded much differently. He is absolutely blackmailing her, but he can't say the word. He has to try and make it sound like he's being the good guy. He is a white collar weasel through and through.
September 26, 2011 at 2:47PM ESTspongebob Agree, Greg. Ted was doing a classic con move where he wants it to be "her" idea, not his. He was tryng to act noble and ethical but what Ted really wanted was for Skyler to push more money at him.
September 27, 2011 at 1:14AM ESTJosh Morrison I think this was just a weaker moment/subplot in the show. As someone noted above, the writers needed to take away Walt's money so he couldn't just run, but the Skyler/Ted plot has a bunch of holes (why would Saul not tell Walt? why would Ted not pay the IRS? why would the consequences of not paying the IRS be so utterly and immediately dire? why can't Skyler write the check directly to the IRS herself and cut out Ted? etc.). I just think it was a weaker moment in an otherwise excellent episode and season that dioesn't really need this much scrutiny
September 29, 2011 at 12:23PM ESTJimmbo
September 25, 2011 at 11:17PM EST Reply to CommentWell, that was eventful. A....hem. Phew!
Loved the godfather nod with the oranges falling to signify death. Or wait, maybe I didn't. It was so clever it took me out of the story.
Jesse was pretty outraged about the doc ignoring Mike at first. Mike, being a pro, would surely roll with it. But it's definitely setting up Jesse (or Jessie + Mike)'s eventual betrayal.
Bull Why do we have to assume Ted is dead? His fingers were moving...and Saul fell short of actually saying he was dead.
September 26, 2011 at 12:33AM ESTWhat if the guy to make the White family disappear is actually Mike? Wouldn't that be an interesting twist. If I had to guess, Mike will eventually turn on Gus in some way to aid Jesse and possibly Walt.
jesselyn I was thinking the same thing about Mike when Sal first brought it up a couple episodes ago. Mike seems to have the connections, hr know all the hit men and was a former cop. Maybe a "Departed" story line?
September 26, 2011 at 2:28AM ESTBull A few loose ends I'd like to have tied up...
September 26, 2011 at 2:55AM EST-Still...why did Gus kill Victor?
-Gus expected Walt to handle Hank...? What did Gus expect Walt to do? Hank would have been in pursuit of Gus either way. Seems like having Walt around to monitor Gus would in itself be a good thing. Seems that Gus would try to keep Walt on his good side so as not to blow the cover off the operation.
I'm expecting there to be a new character show up that will play a significant role to aid Walt's dilemma. It will be interesting to see the who/when's.
Tom @BULL Gus killed Victor because he was seen at Gale's house after the shooting. There were eye witnesses putting him at the scene of a murder. Gus isn't going to take that chance.
September 26, 2011 at 8:44AM ESTJay V @Bull...I completely agree re: your 2nd point...just what did Gus expect Walt to do about the Hank situation?
September 26, 2011 at 10:33AM ESTRichard D
September 25, 2011 at 11:17PM EST Reply to CommentSad as it seems, I would be alright with Walt, Hank and Skylar all getting killed as Jessie, Gus and Mike is now the show to me. Walt has become the bad guy to me with how he has been these last two seasons. As always, Walt is over reacting.....
cgeye I think not.
September 26, 2011 at 12:25AM ESTI think as soon as Walt realized that if Hank wouldn't be the one to expose Gus, the entire DEA would join in (regardless of whether Hank got killed, solely due to blue meth still being distributed despite the bloodbath Down Mexico Way) -- thus, if Walt couldn't find an endgame that eliminated all of Gus's crew, his family would die. That's one heck of a reason to run away and not look back.
However, since he can't do that, maybe he can stow away Skyler and Walt, Jr., assume Hank and Marie will be protected, then go full-force on securing a place cooking for someone else -- someone who can kill and set up shop for him.
And, funny how no one's wall-to-wall mentioning his near-constant coughing, in the last act?
As Mike's coughing has set up Jesse as his successor, Walt's is a reminder that he, again, might not have enough time to do things right.
RD I dont think hes overreacating. When Gus tells you, hes going to kill your family, including the infant daughter, you pretty much would react that crazy.
September 26, 2011 at 12:46PM ESTGreg Mandel Walt has another avenue here, and it's one he's already taken in the show. If he kills Jesse, Gus needs him again. The same way he had Jesse kill Gale. Now, I'm not saying I think that's going to happen, because I can't see the show turning Walt into that kind of monster. But then again, if he has to weigh Jesse against his family.... ?
September 26, 2011 at 2:55PM ESTMiles @Greg. Killing Jesse wouldn't work because Gus warned Walt that even going near Jesse would result in the death's of Walt's family. Walt would be "needed" but his family wouldn't be.
September 27, 2011 at 3:28PM ESTFrank
September 25, 2011 at 11:17PM EST Reply to CommentDid anyone feel that the end of the episode was an homage to the shining
GarySF No, but I thought it was a bit of an homage to Goodfellas (see my comment further down). Of course, just similar scenario to Henry Hill needing his drug stash to go into hiding with.
September 26, 2011 at 12:05AM ESTTYyler F I don't know if it was a homage or not, but I was definitely thinking of the Shining during that scene.
September 26, 2011 at 12:44AM ESTWill C
September 25, 2011 at 11:19PM EST Reply to CommentWhy are we so sure Ted's dead? I figured they showed his hand twitching to indicate he's not, and why would they still just automatically send the check if he's dead?
Linda B. Sending the check closes the IRS case. If the IRS didn't get the money, might they not follow up on Skyler?
September 25, 2011 at 11:27PM ESTJames I'm also not sure he's dead, but their job was to get the check sent to the IRS. Even if he's dead he or his company will still owe the money, so it's not like Skyler is in the clear.
September 26, 2011 at 12:09AM ESTMark Sending the check was necessary to close the case. Him being dead or not would not have absolved Skylar from her involvement in the business accounting that led to the tax evasion. Their job was to get the check and they completed their job.
September 26, 2011 at 3:28AM ESTnimrod1313 If they don't send the check Skyler still has lost the money , after all the money is in Ted's account. So they might as well send the money to the IRS.
September 26, 2011 at 2:21PM ESTTed's dead The finger was a death twitch. Ted's death was hilarious, and I think it was intended to be. Great way to get rid of that sleaze, although some of us had predicted that Skyler would do it.
September 27, 2011 at 1:19AM ESTMiles I feel like Saul's guys were pretty relaxed about how it ended up. If Ted were still alive they would be a lot more nervous. With him dead, they don't have much to worry about.
September 27, 2011 at 3:30PM ESThumanrefutation
September 25, 2011 at 11:20PM EST Reply to CommentI think my jaw was on the floor for the last ten minutes of the episode, and Walt's screams, followed by maniacal laughter, was so emotionally jarring that I was blown away.
What I don't get is why Walt won't just go to the DEA right now and try to get into a safehouse that way.
Jimmbo Mike would find him. The reason he'd pay big bucks for the full disappearing treatment is because it's an entirely higher level of vanishing.
September 25, 2011 at 11:26PM ESTKevin That would also involve him coming clean to Hank. Which I can imagine would not be the most tantalizing situation.
September 25, 2011 at 11:53PM ESThumanrefutation Kevin, I'm fairly certain Hank would make the connection once Walt and his family disappeared.
September 25, 2011 at 11:59PM ESTJimmbo: Though, the possibility that Mike could still find him is a good point, I've gotta believe that the DEA could find him just as safe as a spot as Saul's guy could. Mike knows that Saul and Walt are working together anyway, based on previous experience, so I'm sure he could find him that way, too. At least with the DEA way, there is no cash flow concerns.
GarySF Walt isn't guaranteed anything by going to the DEA. Witness protection and relocation may be offered in exchange for info and testimony about Gus, but they could also imprison Walt. With Saul's guy, there's no gamble involved.
September 26, 2011 at 12:08AM ESTemilylux The whole Walt vanishing via the vacuum cleaner sales company felt kind of easy and bogus to me. Saul knows that Mike knows everyone. As soon as Mike knows Walt has 'disappeared' then he's got the goods on WAlt. Easy as pie.
September 26, 2011 at 12:11AM ESTemilylux The whole Walt vanishing via the vacuum cleaner sales company felt kind of easy and bogus to me. Saul knows that Mike knows everyone. As soon as Mike knows Walt has 'disappeared' then he's got the goods on WAlt. Easy as pie.
September 26, 2011 at 12:11AM ESThumanrefutation That might be true, but that's (apparently) not an option now because he doesn't have the cash. So, why not just cut the crap and go the DEA?
September 26, 2011 at 12:15AM ESTCertainly, it might not make for the most compelling TV, but I feel like that's the logical alternative.
JayK It's also entirely reasonable to assume that Gus has DEA connections in high places, or at least that Walt thinks so.
September 26, 2011 at 1:30AM ESTNimrod1313 Reply to comment...
September 26, 2011 at 2:22PM ESTspongebob I think there is another alternative to Walt trying to get into witness protection via the DEA. He can find a way to send some info anonymously about Gus and the operation. Maybe not, if he can't find a way to do it without implicating himself.
September 27, 2011 at 1:23AM ESTJay Cjay Walt won't "just go to the DEA right now and try to get into a safehouse that way" because the DEA doesn't operate safehouses.
September 27, 2011 at 3:19AM ESTMatt
September 25, 2011 at 11:21PM EST Reply to CommentAre we positive Ted is dead? I mean getting a knock on the head isn't necessarily deadly.
On that same topic, amazing as this episode was, I have one small nit to pick: that was one of the worst stunt jobs I've ever seen. I'd have to watch it again to pin point exactly what it was, but it could not have looked more unrealistic.
Linda B. Ted might not be dead, but incapacitated enough so that he will be unable to put a stop payment on the check before it clears.
September 25, 2011 at 11:37PM ESTIf Ted had fallen backwards, he would be more likely to sufer brain death due to brain stem injury. A forehead injury, while maybe causing a concussion, would be less likely to result in death.
GarySF Didn't his head smack the base of the kitchen island, or a fireplace hearth? If so, that could cause pretty immediate death depending on what it was made out of.
September 26, 2011 at 12:10AM ESTJames @Linda B: I got the impression the injury wasn't so much from the fall on his face, but a spinal cord injury from sliding into the table.
September 26, 2011 at 12:11AM ESTHydro Fluoric I'm pretty sure it was the oranges that caused his death.
September 26, 2011 at 2:18AM ESTDonGately There's a comment on the next thread (the one started by AREASELSIONS) with a spoiler from the previews for next week. FYI.
September 26, 2011 at 1:39PM ESTareaselsions
September 25, 2011 at 11:21PM EST Reply to CommentI'm trying to picture the remainder of the series. This entire season has seen Walt and Gus in a very uneasy stalemate that doesn't seem like it can continue much longer. Obviously, Walt isn't going anywhere, but I don't know what will happen to the show without Gus either. Considering that Walt was willing to disappear himself and his family at the end of this episode, I can't imagine that if Gus dies he will just hop back into the Meth trade. I guess it's pointless to speculate on what will happen next, but damn I really want to know.
stacy Yeah, these past few episodes seem like the end of the series not just the end of the season with 16 episodes left... I can't imagine what the heck they are going to do with what seems like a lot of time left.
September 25, 2011 at 11:30PM ESTLinda B. Agreed, Stacy. My husband even asked me if this was the season finale.
September 25, 2011 at 11:46PM ESTWell, there are 18 more episodes left. However, I believe that the final two episodes of this season were produced prior to the agreement for 16 more episodes. IMO, the Season 4 finale will serve as the possible series finale.
GarySF Linda B, I think if they shot the season finale as a series-ender, there'd have been time to go back and edit it or do some re-shoots so as not to make it so final. But on another note, just imagine the awful fact that after two weeks from tonight we're going to have to wait at least another YEAR or so to find out what happens next.
September 26, 2011 at 12:12AM ESTL.S. ODOM Well, Vince Gilligan said at the outset of series that the idea was to "take Mr. Chips and turn him into Scarface". Walter White hasn't reached that level yet, so I think there are a few more interesting turns to come, to say the least.
September 26, 2011 at 12:38AM EST
@Gary, the wait should only be 9 months, season 5 should start next July.
September 26, 2011 at 12:39AM ESTSharkinc
September 25, 2011 at 11:23PM EST Reply to CommentWalt in the crawl space looked like a morbid framed picture on a wall. I do root for Hank. He is so smart that I assume he suspects or completly knows Walt is dirty. I hope Hank nails every last one of these degenerates
ambition Wow. I like Hank too, but if you're watching this show and all you can think is the main characters are just degenerates...why are you watching?
September 26, 2011 at 12:28AM EST
The main characters are all kinda degenerates. That's the point of the show.
September 26, 2011 at 12:40AM ESTcgeye We get it, you love Hank... the only character it took an assassination attempt to make him something more than a foolish, arrogant boor who treated his brother-in-law as a wimp...
September 26, 2011 at 12:59AM ESTBut you go on -- it's so *cute*.
ambition @Ryan Powell: They are obviously "kinda degenerates". But in my opinion the point of the show is that we can learn to understand them, or at least have some empathy towards them, while still recognizing they've chosen a piss-poor profession. Do you think the point of the show is that they're degenerates who exist for Hank and the DEA to bust? If so, then I have no idea why you're watching the show.
September 26, 2011 at 1:26AM ESTPULP FICTION I also think the scene looks kind of like an open-casket coffin...and him becoming silent after laughing and just lying there before the scene ends is just eerie...foreshadowing?
September 26, 2011 at 7:53AM EST
@ambition, I don't believe I said the point was for Hank to catch them. I only said you can't fault Shark for thinking the characters are degenerates, because it's true.
September 26, 2011 at 11:59AM ESTNimrod1313 I’m surprised some people are upset over calling Gus/Walt degenerates. The theme of Breaking Bad IS Degenerate ! i.e. “To fall below a normal or desirable level … of moral qualities”. So saying that Gus & Walt are degenerates isn’t negating a reason to watch the show … it IS the reason to watch the show. “Breaking Bad” is about the degeneration of moral character. In fact the title of the Series is synonymous with degeneration.
September 26, 2011 at 2:38PM EST“Kind-of” degenerates ??? Calling Gus and Walter degenerates is like saying a hurricane is a gentle summer breeze !
Amrit
September 25, 2011 at 11:23PM EST Reply to CommentI called last week that Skyler spent all of Walt's money and that she is signing his potential death warrant and lo and behold that is what happended! People kept saying Walt has loads of money Skyler is not stupid, she is not a double standard fatty, she is awesome! Well how awesome is she now that she has caused this horrendous no win situation where Walt can be killed at any moment? I call this next scenario...Mike is going to die and that is going to make Jesse in the next episode to join forces with Walt in order to take down Gus. Through Mikes potential death Jesse will see that Gus just uses and abuses people and although Walt is the same with the same narcasstic tendencies...Walt still cares for Jesse's life...ala the premier where he said you kill Jesse we are done. So Jesse and Walt will be back together once Mike dies and Jesse is heartbroken with that loss since him and Mike were getting close and formed a bond.
Amrit Oh and the fact that they let Mike bleed will also make Jesse angry! Gus planned for everything but he also made sure that he was the one to receive treatment first and he was the one who only paid for enough doctors and nurses for him...so if Mike dies Jesse will blame Gus and this will form the bond that Walt and Jesse needs to kill Gus! Oh man that is great story telling, I have wondered how they get them back together and this is it! AWESOME!
September 25, 2011 at 11:31PM ESTjimmbo You are surely right.
September 25, 2011 at 11:40PM ESTBut if Mike dies, I'm gonna need some serious flashback screen time from J Banks next season (he'll, I'd even settle for a karaoke video) or I'll be pretty pissed.
Linda B. Agreed, AMRIT!
September 25, 2011 at 11:49PM EST
karaoke video!! LOL Jimmbo.
September 26, 2011 at 12:43AM ESTDee Dee AMRIT, my husband speculated the exact same thing for the next two episodes. It makes sense. I think if Mike had returned with Gus and Jesse, somehow (how exactly I don't know) Mike would have saved Walt from himself. I would be really bummed to see Mike go, though. Mike wouldn't have been on board AT ALL with Gus threatening/promising to kill Skylar and Walt. Jr., but especially his "infant daughter". I'd prefer him just changing sides against Gus, but I think something pretty drastic is going to have to happen to get Jesse and Walt on the same side again.
September 26, 2011 at 1:36AM ESTjoeyjojo "Well how awesome is she now that she has caused this horrendous no win situation where Walt can be killed at any moment?"
September 26, 2011 at 4:50AM ESTIt wasn't entirely caused by her. She kept asking Walt if there was real danger, and he kept lying to her about that, even after bringing her into his secret life and all. She kind of thought things were okay.
andythesaint Yes, how could Skylar have been worried when Walt is apparently the one who knocks?
September 26, 2011 at 1:01PM ESTKilljoy
September 25, 2011 at 11:23PM EST Reply to CommentJust a thought...why doesn't Walt just go to the DEA and tell him everything? He'd be in witness protection...do some jail time...but in terms of saving his family, it was the easiest of options. Or did I miss something?
xman Think back a couple of episodes ago when Hank has his meeting with the DEA and Gus on the death of Gale. Mike later 'makes a couple of calls' and finds out everthing that the DEA thinks about Hank's theories.
September 25, 2011 at 11:39PM ESTThere is obviously a rat there and there is no promise at all that Walt and family would be safe...even in witness protection.
Lindas B. Agreed, XMAN! If only Walt had the money for the disappearer!
September 25, 2011 at 11:52PM ESTLinda B. It's Linda B., not Lindas B.
September 25, 2011 at 11:57PM ESTPerhaps, Jesse will give his share of the money to Walt, so that Walt & family can disappear. Jesse does not seem materialistic, except for his TV and sound system. I think that Jesse would be happy settling down with Brock and Brock's mama.
Ireneinidaho I agree that Jesse would love to settle down with Brock & Mama, but I can't imagine that he will want to expose them to the dangers of his life working for Gus, especially if bad shit happens to Walt and/or family. Also, if Mama learns how Jesse makes his money, would she embrace his life and bring her son into it?
September 27, 2011 at 12:20AM ESTJay Cjay Granted, this is a fictional story so it could happen here... but in real life "witness protection" is an extremely rare thing. Walt's just a drug trafficking kingpin to the feds, and a big one. In a real life scenario like this, they'd be very happy to simply lock him up. Someone like him wouldn't get "witness protection". He's a principal, not a witness.
September 27, 2011 at 3:23AM ESTfrannie is it just me, or is anyone else so BLAH on brock's mom and jesse together? i just don't get any chemistry between them at all. i miss Jane!
October 1, 2011 at 5:55PM ESTGarySF
September 25, 2011 at 11:23PM EST Reply to CommentI'm guessing the cloud overhead in the desert scene was serendipity, one of multiple takes the crew shot and realized at the moment how lucky they got. It did look terrific.
Nimrod1313 The cloud is discussed in Ep 411 official podcast.
September 26, 2011 at 2:42PM ESTEyeball Wit
September 25, 2011 at 11:23PM EST Reply to CommentClearly Vince Gilligan has been watching Mob Week on AMC.
All the Scarface references in the last few episodes, Gus doing a calm heads-of-the-five-families body count just as Michael Corleone did for Carlo at the end of The Godfather.
And just like Henry Hill in Goodfellas, Walt returns home in a panic with a price on his head, only to discover that his wife got rid of the money he was counting on for his escape.
Nimrod1313 Well Vince has stated all along , right from the pilot, that the objective of the show is to turn Mr Chips into Scarface.
September 26, 2011 at 2:44PM ESTnate Don't forgot the oranges ted's final scene. Surprised Alan didn't mention it but maybe the Godfather callbacks are so frequent now they don't rate.
September 26, 2011 at 7:20PM ESTalynch
September 25, 2011 at 11:24PM EST Reply to Comment"I don't know if the cloud passing overhead in the middle of the Gus/Walt desert scene was a total accident, or if Winant and Michael Slovis saw it coming and set up the shot accordingly, but man, did that look cool. "
Since it was a really long shot with none of the characters moving and you couldn't really see them talking, they might've just put the standins in place and let the camera roll for several minutes, and added the dialogue later. Wouldn't surprise me.
Build A Better Fan Nah, Walt did move. He had his coughing fit, right in line with the audio.
September 26, 2011 at 12:10AM ESTNimrod1313 This scene is discussed by Vince in the official Ep 411 PodCast
September 26, 2011 at 2:45PM ESTTony
September 25, 2011 at 11:25PM EST Reply to CommentI can't get Cranston's crazy laugh out of my head. I'm amazed at what this show brings to the table week in, week out. Shows like this dont come around often, I'm just glad I'm able to experience it.
GarySF
September 25, 2011 at 11:26PM EST Reply to CommentDoes a dead man have a tax liability to the IRS? Would his estate have to pay the debt even if he's not around? If not, then Saul & Co. could retrieve or otherwise stop the check. But it might be tough for Skylar to reclaim the cash from a dead man.
Loretta_ I'm assuming the check was a corporate check, signed by Ten on behalf of the company. A corporation is a separate entity from its CEO/President/Whoever is in charge, so that entity would have liability no matter what had just happened to Ted.
September 26, 2011 at 12:26AM ESTrt Yes, the dead man's executor files taxes.
September 26, 2011 at 2:38AM ESTNimrod1313 Skyler can't reclaim this money ... no proof it came from her and even if there was proof this would raise to many questions with the IRS.
September 26, 2011 at 2:47PM ESTTed's dead If Ted lived, then Walt and Skyler would have a (tiny) chance to get the money back. That's even more reason why Ted is dead. Once Ted is dead, even if the check wasn't cashed, his kids and the IRS would be in line for the money, not Skyler.
September 27, 2011 at 1:31AM ESTAnna
September 25, 2011 at 11:27PM EST Reply to CommentWoah. Just wow. I need to re watch this whole episode again. So many amazing moments (like every Breaking Bad episode I know but this episode is probably up there as one of my favorites).
That ending though. That whole sequence from Walt scrambling back to the house to right at the end when Skyler receives the phone call from Marie. When Skyler slowly backing away from the sudden outburst of Walter, and all you can hear is Marie's voice in the background - just how that whole thing was shot, I got the creeps! It was so eerie and tense and frightening. I don't think I will ever forget that.
kbailey3131 this...plus the sound of Walt's maniacal laughter...that's still in my head 3 hours later.
September 26, 2011 at 3:26AM ESTNimrod1313 Incredibly difficult scene to pull-off ... Bryan did an amazing job.
September 26, 2011 at 2:48PM EST- 1
- 2
- 3
- 4
- 5
- 6
Next 549 Comments