Review: '30 Rock' - 'TGS Hates Women': Baby talk
Liz and Jack take on a pair of deceitful blondes
Tina Fey and Cristin Milioti on "30 Rock."
A quick review of last night's "30 Rock" coming up just as soon as I sail an inflatable castle across the Atlantic...
"TGS Hates Women" opens with a marvelous example of having your cake and eating it too, as "TGS" is attacked for doing too many jokes about famous women getting their periods, followed by a great piece of physical comedy from Tina Fey as Liz herself suddenly gets her period, fires the entire writing staff and then passing out. Period humor can be a lazy, misogynist crutch, but the teaser's payoff was a hilarious reminder of the axiom that any subject should be fair game for humor if you actually make the effort to do it right.
That teaser was the jumping-off point to an episode that had to tackle a whole lot of tricky questions about how women are treated in the world of comedy, whether it's empowering or degrading for female comics (or women in general) to hyper-sexualize themselves, how and why women get hired on shows like this, etc. As others before me have already noted, the episode was dealing with a tangled knot of recent headlines and people in the news, including but not necessarily limited to the Jezebel takedown of "The Daily Show," Olivia Munn, Chelsea Handler and Sarah Silverman. Whether you were aware of the real-life influences or not, I think ultimately the Abby Flynn storyline bit off a little more than the show could chew, and while it had funny moments (Jack bouncing on the trampoline with Abby, the weird "Sleeping with the Enemy" explanation for Abby's persona), I think it was a case where, after the teaser, the social commentary was more interesting than the humor(*).
On the other hand, Jack vs. a 14-year-old girl (wonderfully played by Chloe Moretz from "Kick-Ass")? Fantastic, from Jack mispronouncing Justin Bieber's name(**) to the weirdness of Bobert Ballard to her true colors coming out when Jack confronts her at school. Alec Baldwin is often at his funniest in this role when Jack is going up against a completely ridiculous foe or obstacle, and I think a 14-year-old schemer makes a better foil for him than, say, Devon Banks has been.
(**) Funnier NBC Bieber joke last night: Jack's "Bee-eye-ber" or Dwight's "Justice Beaver" on "The Office"?
What did everybody else think?
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February 25, 2011 at 11:42AM EST Reply to CommentI had to pause the DVR after the payoff to the period jokes, I was laughing so hard. Tina Fey sold that joke so hard it hurt.
The payoff to the Abby Flynn story, however, I found a lot less satisfying. That ending, with the abusive husband, just didn't work for me. It felt like 30 Rock had suddenly morphed into another, overly-serious show.
Jack vs the 14-year-old, however, was pure gold.
I felt better about the ending once I realized it was supposed to be a reference to Lifetime-style movies: The Woman Who Had To Laugh: The Abby Flynn Story. But when I first saw it I too was disappointed. Also, let's not forget about Alec Baldwin's mini-scandal when he cussed out his daughter on the phone. Shades of that with him and Moretz.
February 25, 2011 at 3:41PM ESTSandi
February 25, 2011 at 11:42AM EST Reply to CommentWhy has Tracy been missing?
sepinwall Tracy Morgan had to take a medical absence.
February 25, 2011 at 11:44AM ESTGuest Ask Dr. Spaceman
February 25, 2011 at 11:49AM ESTDefRef Tracy had a kidney transplant. In other medical news, Jane Krakowski (Jenna) is pregnant, but they aren't writing it into the show. That makes sense, because Jenna wouldn't tolerate some baby being around to steal her spotlight.
February 25, 2011 at 12:21PM ESTBen Re Jane's pregnancy: Tina Fey said that they would not make Jenna pregnant "because no baby deserves to have Jenna Maroney as a parent".
February 25, 2011 at 12:53PM ESTRJ
February 25, 2011 at 11:44AM EST Reply to CommentI haven't laughed this hard at 30 Rock since the Gentleman's Intermission ep, but when Jack turned into the grizzled old sea captain, I just about feel out of my chair and couldn't breathe from laughing too hard! For the last couple epsodes, there's been something off about Alex Baldwin, and he has looked a bit tired and puffy. But last nights show erased all that, and we were treated to one the the top five Jack eps of the whole series!
RJ Oh, and Lutz speaking Brittish, the period jokes, the revelation of the elected school mascot, and the homeless man's show of appreciation were close runners-up to make me almost pass out from laughter. THIS IS THE FUNNIEST SHOW EVER CREATED!!!
February 25, 2011 at 11:53AM ESTmike Baldwin's just fantastic. Not really breaking news there, but just loved, "Quite chalk hands...a real man is talking."
February 25, 2011 at 12:13PM ESTI didn't know that was Chloe Moretz. She was very good, too.
Every time they spend time in the writers room, I think back to Josh. His Ray Romano impression always made me laugh lol.
mike That's, "Quiet chalk hands."
February 25, 2011 at 12:34PM ESTDavid
February 25, 2011 at 11:55AM EST Reply to CommentDid Cristin Milioti's baby persona morph into Alyssa Milano in that last scene or do I need to get my eyes checked?
sepinwall No, she looked uncannily like Milano in that last scene. Absolutely.
February 25, 2011 at 11:59AM ESTBobo Huh. I was surprised when she took off the wig that I didn't realize it was Alyssa Milano. Now, I'm surprised that it wasn't.
February 26, 2011 at 2:18AM ESTLepidoptera
February 25, 2011 at 12:24PM EST Reply to CommentHad my money on..... just as soon as my high school changes its mascot to a slut.
Liz's aside about Tracy Chapman still funny twenty years later.
Also loved the fortune cookie advice of "FemWater."
TalentedButHumble
February 25, 2011 at 12:30PM EST Reply to CommentWhat was it that Jenna thought would be a good children's book - a baby hooker?
Mike
February 25, 2011 at 12:43PM EST Reply to CommentSorry but what was the Olivia Munn reference?
jacket The whole Abby Flynn plotline was a reference to the controversy regarding certain female comedians successfully flaunting their attractiveness to obtain higher profiles, i.e., Oliva Munn getting hired by the Daily Show despite a (perceived) lack of comic talent.
February 25, 2011 at 1:12PM ESTBgklein
February 25, 2011 at 12:44PM EST Reply to CommentI'd have to go with Justice Beaver for Jim's response that it is a Beaver that fights crime
Peter Agreed. Loved the whole Jack plotline, but Justice Beaver owned the Bieber jokes for the evening.
February 26, 2011 at 1:08AM ESTChampSkins
February 25, 2011 at 12:54PM EST Reply to CommentChloe Moretz was brilliant! I hope to see more of her in he future... She often plays characters much more mature for their age, because she really is much more mature for her age, so her casting was awesome.
Alec and Chloe really riffed well off eachother, especially in that last scene. Simply brilliant!
jndecou
February 25, 2011 at 1:04PM EST Reply to CommentI thought the parallel between the two main stories was pretty great. Kaylee putting on an enthusiastic, brainy, girlish personality in order to lure Jack away from Kabeltown with marine biology... When she turns out to be a bad-ass on the level of (or a level above) even Jack Donaghy, that was perfect- and a better ending than Abby-Flynn-on-the-run.
jndecou Oh, and I cast my vote for Justice Beaver, a dam good crime fighter (...sorry)
February 25, 2011 at 2:10PM ESTvelocityknown
February 25, 2011 at 1:12PM EST Reply to CommentI'm such a fan of Chole Moretz, I hope she keeps recurring this season.
I almost had to pause the TV so I could stop laughing during her and Jack's confrontation at the end. A 14 year old actress matching comedic talents with Alec Baldwin, truly outstanding.
Jake
February 25, 2011 at 1:43PM EST Reply to CommentAh, Sady Doyle. Aside from being a just very enjoyable feminist blogger overall, her articles back in March about Liz Lemon and Leslie Knope are still prominently bookmarked on my computer under "TV." I do agree that episode was biting off a little more than it could chew, but I've been waiting a long time for this. No other show would or even could take on half these issues the way 30 Rock is able to, and I'm just glad to see the matters brought up on network television.
Chalmers
February 25, 2011 at 2:17PM EST Reply to CommentIt was driving me crazy where I had seen Cristin Milioti before, so I gave in and saw on IMDB that she was Johnny Sack's anorexic daughter.
Johanna Lapp I went all the way until the unmasking on YouTube before I realized that wasn't Sarah Silverman playing the preposterously slutty Abby. I figured the knockers were CGI.
February 25, 2011 at 11:24PM EST
February 25, 2011 at 2:21PM EST Reply to CommentI found the opening joke to be quite lame..
Justice Beaver was a lot funnier to me.
Susan "Period humor can be a lazy, misogynist crutch, but the teaser's payoff was a hilarious reminder of the axiom that any subject should be fair game for humor if you actually make the effort to do it right."
February 25, 2011 at 4:30PM ESTHilarious? Utterly lame. Hard to imagine it was written, much less performed, by a woman. If Tracy Jordan had performed those lines, it would have been funny, but just barely.
Jack vs. a 14 year old girl was hilarious.
nath The opening joke was easily telegraphed, but Liz's flop was a sublime moment of physical comedy.
February 25, 2011 at 8:41PM ESTA.P.
February 25, 2011 at 3:33PM EST Reply to CommentI didn't really feel like there was any payoff to the Abby Flynn storyline. I mean sure, there was the typical Liz Lemon humiliation at the end of this episode, but I feel like this show could have addressed the 'women in comedy' dilemma much better.
That whole storyline was just confusing and superfluous to me.
Chrissy
February 25, 2011 at 3:51PM EST Reply to CommentI actually liked the Abby Flynn storyline, in the final analysis. It's not like this show is going to solve the women-in-comedy conundrum in half an hour. It's perfectly in keeping with Liz's personality that she'd be threatened by a woman succeeding in her industry based, at least partly, on physical attractiveness. During the episode I was bothered that we never saw Abby write a joke; I felt like the storyline didn't make sense without some indication of what her comedy was like. But I think, in the end, it doesn't matter. Liz certainly wasn't interested in her comedy ability, any more than Frank or Lutz. She saw her as a chance to make a statement, and ended up undermining her in the end.
February 25, 2011 at 4:08PM EST Reply to CommentHistorical note from last night's episode: at the beginning someone (Liz?) referenced an article called "30 Rock Hates Women." That may be a reference to an article in US magazine (or something like it) in 1994/5 called "Does Saturday Night Live Hate Its Women?" Needless to say, the mid 1990s were not a high point for women on SNL.
Maggie Interesting. I'm sure it may have played a part, although since the article in the episode was online ("joanofsnark.com," a thinly disguised version of jezebel.com, complete with the old jezebel layout), it's more likely that it was based on jezebel's story "The Daily Show's Women Problem."
February 26, 2011 at 10:14AM EST(FYI, the article in the show was "Why Does TGS Hate Women?" TGS is the show within the show, not 30 Rock.)
The mid-1990s weren't a high point for anyone on SNL
February 26, 2011 at 11:55AM ESTHolly
February 25, 2011 at 4:13PM EST Reply to CommentThere was a lot to like in the episode, but the end of the Abby Flynn story really did not work for me at all - I thought it was a complete cop-out. So, you should never judge a woman for adopting an over-the-top sexual persona at work because... it might all just be a disguise to escape a psycho ex-husband? There are far more interesting and thoughtful arguments to make here, and the show skirted them but ultimately avoided them.
The Jack stuff was great, however.
Bobo This is a sitcom, not an essay. It was all just a disguise to escape a psycho ex-husband because that's a funny surprise reversal.
February 26, 2011 at 2:23AM ESTjamiem even a sitcom has to justify a domestic violence joke well and i'm not sure they did here. my wife sure didn't think they did and she's not easily offended.
February 26, 2011 at 3:43AM ESTMaggieG
February 25, 2011 at 4:30PM EST Reply to CommentAs for your question about which Justin Bieber joke was better: I say Dwight's by far. A middle-aged guy mispronouncing a teen idol's name is a "joke" _I_ could have made up. But Justice Beaver just kind of came out of left field and made me laugh out loud.
albatross
February 25, 2011 at 6:10PM EST Reply to CommentI thought the best gag was when Twofer in his bad-ass persona was spray-painting "Graffito" on the door in the writer's room.
bad dad OMG that's right. Singular, not plural. So what fancy school are you an alumni of? (See what I did there?)
March 9, 2011 at 10:35PM ESTBob
February 25, 2011 at 7:28PM EST Reply to CommentDid nobody else think that maybe Abby was a reference to the young Abby Elliott on SNL for whom Fred Armisen left Elizabeth Moss? That seems just as likely as it being about Munn.
Jake I don't get how that works. Could you elaborate?
February 25, 2011 at 9:07PM ESTed w We don't know why Arminsen and his wife split up. There's no point speculating on that.
February 25, 2011 at 11:57PM ESTAbby Elliot is the daughter of Chris Elliot and the grand daughter of Bob Elliot of the legendary Bob and Ray comedy team. She might not be a great comic yet herself but she's nothing like that character on 30 Rock.
February 25, 2011 at 8:07PM EST Reply to CommentI swear, and I realize just how bad this will sound, I have a crush on Chloe G. Moretz. She's like a tween version of Matt Damon (not quite the pedigree, yet, but: she stole Kick-Ass, she was great in Let Me In, HILARIOUS on 30 Rock, and is in an upcoming Scorcese pic). It's merely a professional crush, but this little girl is fantastic!!
--The Period Joke was exceptional
--Abby DID look like Alyssa Milano, sans wig
--LOVED seeing Terrence Mann playing another character that has a knowledge about strange "critters"
--even the "payoff" of Jack and Liz at the end was funny
Chris Hansen from Dateline NBC Why don't you take a seat over there?
February 26, 2011 at 4:53AM ESTed w
February 25, 2011 at 11:50PM EST Reply to CommentThe primary plotline felt more like listening to a thesis than watching an enjoyable comedy. Agree on Moretz being great and that plotline working. Overall I thought it was just okay by the standards of this series and last week's with the night nurse and Anders was better than this and maybe was the best of the season.
shashimee
February 26, 2011 at 3:37AM EST Reply to CommentA non-hulu clip of Jack Donaghy facing with Kailey Hooper, a 9th-grader: http://twitvid.com/C3FQK
“I hate the ocean, it’s for toolsâ€
“The ocean is awesome and for winners. You’re for toolsâ€
Maggie
February 26, 2011 at 10:05AM EST Reply to CommentI was glad they tried to explain why a 14 year old girl would be a threat to Jack's ambitions (Kabletown is a family-owned business so it's feasible a family member would eventually become CEO.) This always bothered me with the Kathy Geiss storyline - there is no way a company like NBC or GE would allow an inexperienced, mentally challenged person to take charge just because she's the daughter of the executive in the role previously. I know it's "just a sitcom" but when things are that far out from reality it weakens the comedy for me.
Mike
February 26, 2011 at 5:41PM EST Reply to CommentI thought Abby was played by porn actress Katie Morgan. I brought that up to my wife which led to a not-so-fun conversation.
DougMac She did look and sound a lot like her.
March 1, 2011 at 4:49AM ESTalso, i agree with Alan that a little it of Frank, Lutz, and twofer is great but it goes a long way
Metoo
February 26, 2011 at 11:03PM EST Reply to CommentLOVED seeing Broadway legend Terrence Mann as Ballard. Bizarre and hilarious.
IWorkAt30Rock
March 5, 2011 at 2:14AM EST Reply to CommentMay be the best ep ever! watched 3 times to get ALL the jokes