David Simon takes the top spot with his drama about drugs, police, politics, unions and life in Baltimore
I've always believed in the conventional wisdom of this gig, the one that says that as much as you'd prefer to always watch good TV, you'd also prefer to always review bad TV. It's more fun and it's just easier.
This 31-day project working my way through TV's Best of the Decade has been a challenge because it's been a month-long journey of well-deserved hyperbole, of trying to find new and increasing florid ways of expressing "greatness," "awesomeness" and "hilarity." And that was all writing about 30 shows that, from the beginning, were always runners-up.
So now what?
How do I find sufficient hyperbole to properly pay tribute to HBO's "The Wire"?
In the words of Omar Little, "Come at the king, you best not miss."
And make no doubt, "The Wire" is the king.
More, probably a lot more, on TV's Best Show of the Decade, "The Wire," after the break...
Created by David Simon and airing on HBO over five seasons from 2002 to 2008, "The Wire" is the great television achievement of The Aughts. That's a start, but it doesn't go far enough.
I just completed a hastily assembled list of the Top 31 movies of the decade and "The Wire" towers over any one of them and, as a 60-hour series, probably towers over the totality of my list of 31 movies. I didn't do a list of my favorite books of the decade, but rest-assured that "The Wire" ranks above any novel I've read in the decade, especially as a piece of cumulative storytelling. So, keeping things neat and simple, I have no trouble saying that "The Wire" is the decade's defining creative endeavor.
Soon you start expanding the circle, though. Is "The Wire" the best series ever produced for television? I'd say "Yes," while acknowledging that there's competition.
But looking more broadly still, if I'm teaching a college course on the United States of America and the American Dream -- it's a big topic, so it's probably an intro AmCiv class -- I'm putting "The Wire" on the syllabus next to "Citizen Kane" and "The Godfather II," alongside "Moby Dick," "The Jungle," The Great Gatsby," "Invisible Man" and "The Grapes of Wrath."
That's a start. But it's also puffery.
It's been written before by wiser men than I am (Sepinwall, mostly) that "The Wire" is a viable candidate or proxy for the ever-elusive Great American Novel. It's not TV, it's HBO? How about it's not HBO, it's "The Wire"?
"The Wire" cannot, under any circumstances, be watched casually, even if you've seen the episodes before. I find that the majority of the TV I watch can be zipped through why doing two or three other tasks. Like I can download images, cut and photoshop pictures and throw together a gallery while watching "Melrose Place." The aspects I miss in terms of plot complexity and character nuance are mitigated by the amount I gain in not wasting my full attention. In the rewatching of "The Wire" that I've done for this list, I found that even knowing the fate of every character on the screen, I could barely chew gum and watch at the same time, much less attempt to return emails. "The Wire" is a full world and if you don't commit to total immersion, you aren't making enough commitment. That's a lot for a TV show to ask.
Simon's series focuses on the city of Baltimore, paying special attention to the drug pushers and the kingpins, the users and the abusers, the cops and the attorneys and the unions and the businesses and the politicians who all exist in a symbiotic web, each feeding off the other and each exploiting the other.
One of the series' most telling moments comes in the second season in the episode "All Prologue." Omar Little (Michael K. Williams), shotgun wielding stickup artist, is being torn apart on the stand by Maurice Levy (Michael Kostroff), defense attorney to generations of drug lords. Levy attacks Omar, who insists he's never raised a gun at a civilian, for being a parasite who preys on the weak and preys on the elements that are already undermining supposedly civilized society. But Omar stops Levy dead in his tracks by telling him that they're the same.
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase," he says. "It's all in the game though."
If "The Wire" had an official slogan, it would be "It's all in the game." All of the show's inhabitants, even the ones under the illusion that they have power, are just pawns being pushed around. If they aren't slaves to Capitalism, they're under the thumb of bigger pawns.
And there are so many pawns.
"The Wire" is often called Dickensian because at any moment, Simon and his team of writers -- including ace novelists like Dennis Lehane, Richard Price and George Pelecanos -- would be juggling (not literally) dozens of characters (literally) across three or four different levels of perceived power, from the pits of the project low-rises to the police squad rooms to the upper halls of justice to posh parlor rooms housing fundraisers for council members and politicians. A trail of money connects everybody.
In the show's first two or three episodes, we're introduced to almost all of the important figures for the first season and, it turns out, a goodly number of the figures who would play major roles for all five seasons.
"The Wire" is hardly the only show on this list to feature a large ensemble cast. I'd even guess a show like "The Sopranos" or "Lost" introduced nearly as many characters over their full run. The tendency on other shows, though, is to find a way to get every single person into the pilot and give them a broad and easily identifiable characteristic. That way, when we come back in episode two, even if you don't remember a character's name, you can do "Gay" or "Gambling Problem" or "Priest" or "Hot Chick." It's a product of shorthand, but it's also a product of TV as an industry and actors as professionals with egos and complicated contracts. If you have a TV star and you're making him a regular, he's darned well going to want to be in the opening credits and the quibbling over who's a regular and who's recurring and who's a guest star can often play a determining factor in how much we see different characters, often nearly as much as narrative necessity.
In "The Wire," there are 30+ characters introduced in the first two or three episode and if you watched from the beginning, odds were you didn't recognize 99 percent of the actors (unless you watched "Oz" and "Homicide" regularly). It's a mix of theater actors, television stars and total newbies and the first time I watched the show, the actor I found most recognizable was "Kids" star Leo Fitzpatrick as junky Johnny, who turns out to be a quaternary or quinary character at most. Nobody tips the pitch to let you know which characters are good and which are bad (unless you make the completely false assumption that just because somebody has a badge, they're "good" or because they have a needle in their arm, they're "bad"). Nobody wants to let you know who's worth becoming invested in and who's going to be shot in the next episode. A character with two or three memorable sequences in one episode might drop off the narrative grid for two, three, four weeks at a time. Somebody's who's barely been in the background might suddenly turn out to be the "hero" or a particular episode.
Simon and writing partner Ed Burns, a former homicide detective, were invested in building a case for each season, but that works on several levels. On the strictly plot-driven level, each season has an adversary or a target, beginning with Wood Harris' Avon Barksdale in the first season and advancing. For four of the seasons, the cases are directly intertwined, each one involving the drug trade in West Baltimore and the group of detectives and good po-lice (much more fun to say that way) tasked with using the resources of a taxed department to bring in the case, whether that includes surveillance, cultivating informants or more unconventional motives. The second season is a jarring and fascinating detour into the city's docks and various ethnic enclaves that still tie in with different levels of corruption and, as ever, with the seats of power. The third season begins the arc of Tommy Carcetti (Aiden Gillen), ambitious city councilman and Great White Hope, learning the relationships and compromises necessary to become the city's mayor. The fourth season makes a partial detour into the Baltimore educational system, again exposing the failures of a corrupt system doomed by financial motives over the welfare of the children. And the fifth season took on the dying world of print journalism where, once again, the ultimate culprit was the Almighty Dollar, with bleed-it-leads sensationalism and increasing lack of accountability and ethnics leading to the ultimate corruption of The Truth.
So to step back from that, "The Wire" can really just be taken as a terrific police procedural, a cops-and-robbers saga for the 21st Century urban wasteland. More actual realistic investigative and police work goes on in one episode of "The Wire" than in whole seasons of "CSI" or "Law & Order." I wanted to add that, because I don't want anybody thinking that just because "The Wire" is a novel, it isn't a page-turner of a novel. Having Price, Pelecanos and Lehane on staff means that "The Wire" moves with the compulsive readability of any of their novels and if you've read those guys, you know they're the best at what they do. And it does so with a realism and authenticity honed by location shooting and a visual template established by the late executive producer Robert F. Colesbury from the pilot on.
It's almost a trick question to ask somebody which his or her favorite season of "The Wire" is. The correct answer is probably, "Oh, that one that ran between 2002 and 2008. You know? The one with 60 episodes?" I vote for the third season, with the return of Brother Mouzone and Hamsterdam and "Middle Ground," which may be my favorite single episode. But if you want to say you prefer Season Four or Season One, you won't get an argument from me.
There's a feeling or a perception that Season Two might be a weaker season. The shift to the docks is abrupt and, after learning a new vernacular in Season One, Simon and company force a whole different language on you in Season Two, a language which ceases to be spoken for the last three seasons. Season Two is the strange outlier.
While I'm not going to take it on as my favorite -- my favorite season is the one that ran between 2002 and 2008, the one with the 60 episodes -- my recent rewatching of Season Two has only added to my appreciation of its take on race, one that's probably unique for the small screen.
"The Wire" is a show about race. If I had to list the show's Top 10 themes, I'd go with "Race" at No. 2 with a bullet, behind only "Class" (which gets "social stratification" and "The American Dream" lumped into it). It's a fair guess that no show has ever contained more skin tones and more different racial mixes. And with that general diversity, it's also fair to say that no show has ever presented more varied shades of the African-American characters. Look at Burrell (Frankie Faison), Daniels (Lance Reddick), Carver (Seth Gilliam), Bunk (Wendell Pierce), and Freamon (Clarke Peters) and Sydnor (Corey Parker Robinson) on the police force alone. I've seen strange comments on message boards in the past talking about how this character or that character from "The Wire" is a stereotype. If you find enough characters and distribute enough personality traits, some of them are probably going to be familiar, but you're also going to eventually populate the world.
[Note that while there were some concerns in early seasons about the number of African-American roles being written by white men on "The Wire" not only were there more than a couple minority scribes over the years, but the number of minority directors, starting with Clark Johnson on the pilot was impressive.]
If anything is stereotyped in the first season, if anything isn't depicted with diversity, it's *whiteness* (popular culture is a panoply of depictions of whiteness, so I don't think I was feeling insecure). In the first season whiteness is almost exclusively the color of power, of cops and judges and attorneys.
In the second season, though, with its focus on blue collar dock workers and Polish and Greek ethnic communities, we get the idea of whiteness as a stratified minority community, with different variations of class hierarchy and different cultural markers. We see the way different groups of people usually lumped in as "Caucasian" distinguish between cultures and the ways in which poverty and crime can foment in those subcultures. Because whiteness is hegemonic, pop culture depictions of whiteness as Racial Other is hard to come by and it's the kind of extra layer of diversity that only a show like "The Wire" could even attempt.
But it isn't just racial economic territory that "The Wire" mines with a depth and dedication that few works of art could even contemplate. In Omar Little and Kima Greggs (Sonja Sohn), "The Wire" produced two of the most complicated and layered gay characters imaginable, sexual and confident characters in lines of work that can be decidedly hostile toward any kind of difference. The show also featured the intriguing androgyny of Felicia Pearson's Snoop, plus at least one other character who was revealed to be on the down-low, even if it was never mentioned again.
[Heterosexual femininity was one of the few things "The Wire" didn't do quite so well with. Amy Ryan has a great arc in the second season. Deirdre Lovejoy's Pearlman is mostly good, though I have some reservations. The show's best straight female character may by Brianna Barksdale, played with fierce intensity by Michael Hyatt.]
Even if you don't take them as exemplars of race, class or gender theory, the characters in "The Wire" are a lovable, colorful lot. The more I go on about how Important and Smart and Rewarding "The Wire" is, the more you could lose how hilarious it is at times and also how emotionally shattering it is. "The Wire" is not medicine. It's also the most entertaining TV show of the decade. The characters with five-season runs almost all get compelling arcs. Some reaffirm the show's underlying concern that the game is rigged and some offer hope that it's possible to change your life, albeit sometimes only in small ways.
Favorite characters? As the marvelous Isiah Whitlock Jr's Clay Davis would say, "Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet." How're you supposed to choose?
Obviously it starts with Omar. Are you making a list of TV's best characters? Omar, with his trench coat, with his scars, with his string of pretty boyfriends, with his creepy-assed whistling of "The Farmer in the Dell," with his familiar and repeatable speech patterns ("Oh, indeed!"), with his rigorous and vicious sense of right and wrong has to be tops. Omar makes Tony Soprano look bland and socially well-adjusted. Favorite Omar moment? I'd probably go with Omar on the witness stand in "All Prologue."
Second favorite? If there weren't an Omar, Stringer Bell (Idris Elba) would be a clear winner. To this day there are still people shocked when Elba starts talking and his British accent comes out after becoming accustomed to Stringer, Avon's cold-hearted right-hand, a future kingpin taking business classes at the local junior college in an effort to someday go legit, or at least to someday become a legitimate mogul in addition to his nefarious doings. Favorite Stringer moment? Probably his attempts to run a meeting of a Baltimore drug consortium according to the rules of parliamentary procedure.
How about Jimmy McNulty? On the surface he's probably the show's hero, largely because Dominic West is one of the few cast members who looks like a movie star. Sure, he cheats on his wife and drinks to disgusting excess and he's self-destructive in everything he does, but you've gotta admire a guy this determined to do the right thing, even if everything he does is driven by his own ego. Favorite McNulty moment? I just love how everything McNulty does in Season Five, even if it's outlandish by the show's standards, feels like it's an organic choice for a character we've gotten to know so well.
How about Bubbles (Andre Royo)? I haven't spoiled any major plotpoints in this article, because if you haven't watched the show before, I want you to still have surprises. But let's just say that Bubbles, slave to his addictions and nearly powerless to change his life, is probably the true hero of the show. He's certainly the person you become most determined to root for as the series progresses.
What of Det. Roland "Prez" Pryzbylewsk (Jim True-Frost)? Introduced as the ultimate screw-up, a potentially dangerous cop protected by nepotism, we see Prez find his purpose. We see him try to do good and even sometimes succeed. Yeah, we become pretty determined to root for Prez.
How about the four kids from Season Four, Dukie (Jermaine Crawford), Randy (Maestro Harrell), Michael ("90210" star Tristan Wilds) and Namond (Julito McCullum)? Talk about a risk, basically turning the heart of a long-running show over to four new characters played by four inexperienced actors. The amount of support for Season Four among fans proves that Simon did everything right.
And what of Tommy Carcetti? You can watch the three seasons of Carcetti's arc and I defy you to tell me at the end of any given arc how much of what he says he actually believes in, how much is political posturing and how much is total bull-plop. The character's motivation -- upward mobility -- isn't in doubt for a single second, but he could go from True Believer to Total Fraud within a scene or two.
Here's where I either keep going forever on characters (and the amazing actors who played them), or I leave things off, though it would be a true pity not at least mention the remarkable performances by Larry Gilliard Jr., J.D. Williams, Lance Reddick, Wendell Pierce, Chris Bauer, James Ransone, Robert F. Chew, Michael Kostroff, Hassan Johnson, Jamie Hector, Chad Coleman, Michael Potts, Robert Wisdom, Gbenga Akinnagbe, John Doman, Delaney Williams and many many more.
All of that is said and I haven't even gotten into the biggest "Wire" question of all: Which version of Tom Waits' "Way Down in the Hole" is your favorite.
Me? I'm going straight to the source and getting behind Waits' version, which played over the opening credits of Season Two. If you want to support the Blind Boys of Alabama's version, as a Season One purist? I can't insult that choice. I've got no problems with the Season Five version from Steve Earle (and not just because he played recovering addict Walon in multiple episodes) and even the DoMaJe Season Four version has its moments. For me the Season Three cover, by the Neville Brothers, is way, way overproduced.
As everybody knows, "The Wire" never won a single Emmy in five seasons and was only nominated twice, for scripts by Simon and Pelecanos. It was never nominated for a single Screen Actors Guild ensemble award and, in a crying shame, it couldn't even win a single NAACP Image Award. Always a critical darling, it was nominated for multiple Television Critics Association awards, including Program of the Year on three occasions, but for all of that love, it only won a single TCA award, the 2008 Heritage Award (typically given to our favorite show that's going off the air).
But what does that really matter? Scholars will be studying "The Wire" for as long as it's hip to count television as art and viewers will be discovering the show for as long as those five DVD sets are in print.
If you haven't seen "The Wire," Netflix it. Make sure you get the first two disks at once. "The Wire" is an immersive experience and it may take two or three episodes to get in complete synch with the rhythm and the pacing, to figure out who the characters are.
Give it a chance and you won't stop until you get to Episode 60.
To say it one last time:
"The Wire" stands at No. 1 on my list of TV's Best of the Decade.
Oh, you best believe.
Coming up tomorrow? It's a whole new decade. Time to start looking for the next big thing.
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December 31, 2009 at 6:22PM EST Reply to CommentGreat article. Reading it makes me pray that Treme is able to carry some of the torch.
BugKiller
December 31, 2009 at 6:27PM EST Reply to CommentA fitting tribute to one of the greatest television shows of all time.
All I have to say is Season 4.
As someone who aspires to be an educator, it was eye-opening, frightening, enlightening, educational, and horribly sad in it's truthfulness.
Season 4.
Dan, thanks for having the guts and intelligence to go with The Wire, criminally overlooked over its 5 season run by viewers and the industry alike, as your number 1.
30 years from now, people are going to wonder how and why the hell they missed out on this series.
I'm telling you, The Wire is an American Treasure that belongs in The Smithsonian alongside The Spirit of St. Louis, the Hope Diamond, and the Puffy Shirt; to be preserved for centuries and centuries, or as long as our great republic endures.
Yeah. It's that important.
John W
December 31, 2009 at 6:37PM EST Reply to CommentI picked up the entire series on DVD (thank God for boxed sets) and I just started Season 3. Great show so far. Idris Elba is British!?
So far I like the season 1 version of "Way Down In A Hole".
December 31, 2009 at 7:07PM EST Reply to CommentMr. Fienberg ... wow ... well said man.
I've been reading every one of these and I've disagreed with a few but every one of these shows deserves a place in the best of the decade. And thank you for 1 and 2. Those placements quashed any doubt I had about your critical thinking. You are a fine critic sir. Thank you for the read. Much appreciated.
Zehava
December 31, 2009 at 7:10PM EST Reply to CommentLoved this writeup! I finished the Wire about a week ago, having watched the entire series over about a 6 week period. Best thing I ever did! Trying to get everyone I know to watch it.
drew
December 31, 2009 at 7:57PM EST Reply to CommentOh, indeed!
dan
December 31, 2009 at 8:27PM EST Reply to CommentThanks so much for reading y'all. And thanks for commenting! Even when we've had disagreements, I feel like there have been a lot of GREAT TV discussions over the past 31 days. -Daniel
Garrett
December 31, 2009 at 8:42PM EST Reply to CommentMaybe you just didn't watch the show, but how The Shield isn't on this list boggles my mind. Honestly, other than that, great list. I haven't watched only a handful of these shows, but even some of my favorites like House and it's Always Sunny could easily be replaced with the Shield. Have a great New year. And this site rocks
WhatTheFDidIDo
December 31, 2009 at 9:09PM EST Reply to CommentSimply put - this show changed my perception of Television. I was a big "movie person" until I was convinced to give this series a try. My reaction after the first few episodes? Meh. After the first season? Genius.
Now I try to get pretty much anyone I can to watch this show. After many attempts I recently got a buddy of mine to give it a try. After that whenever I was around him, thats all he wanted to talk about. We were sitting at the bar discussing it for an hour before we realized we needed to put a hold on our conversation and actually be social.
Consequently after I watched The Wire for the first time, most other TV drama I watched seemed like a kids show by comparison. CSI? Ruined for me. Law and Order? Please.
Best TV series ever, hands down. Can't wait for Treme.
BugKiller WhatTheF...
December 31, 2009 at 10:15PM EST... BSG is the ONLY dramatic series on television that can come close to The Wire.
It's weird, while I recognize that The Wire is possibly the greatest television show ever, and Season 4 is one of the greatest single seasons ever put together along with a few choice others (like Season 5 of Buffy, 4 and 5 of Seinfeld, season 2 of BSG, etc.)...
... while knowing all that, BSG is actually my favorite series ever.
Try BSG, if you haven't already. If you have, and it didn't take, try it again.
Everyone I've ever turned onto BSG has loved it, even the non-sci-fi people.
It's as close to cinematic as you can get on tv, just like The Wire.
WhatTheFDidIDo Bug -
January 2, 2010 at 12:02AM ESTI have seen BSG, and enjoyed it. But again it was one of those shows I watched(more like marathoned on DVD) right after I viewed The Wire for the first time, where everything I watched paled in comparison. Maybe this summer when I have time I'll rewatch it and gain more appreciation for what it was. FWIW I did watch the last season's episodes one at a time while it was airing, and need to watch them again on DVD. Its better / easier to evaluate serialized shows like BSG when you can watch episodes continuously rather then taking a 7 day break between viewings imo.
WhatTheFDidIDo "Middle Ground" is just an amazing episode of Television. It would *easily* (stealing your asterisk emphasis) be my favorite episode of TW if it weren't for season 5's "Late Editions", which forces a tie. My second tier of episodes would include every George Pelecanos' penned penultimate episode, "Cleaning Up", "Bad Dreams", "That's Got His Own". As well as "The Cost", "All Prologue", "Mission Accomplished", "Boys of Summer", and "Final Grades".
January 2, 2010 at 12:16AM ESTAs sad as it is, I've seen every episode 6+ times. Completely burned myself out on it though, was getting to the point where I knew what was going to happen in every scene as well as most of the dialogue, so I cut myself off. Haven't watched a second of it since June of 08 and trying to stay clean until Sepinwall recaps Season 3 this summer, so I can go back and revisit it all while reading his amazing recaps.
Oh, and did I mention I can't wait for Treme?
WhatTheFDidIDo And I forgot to ask, wheres The Shield@?:!/!??!?1/11!?1!
January 2, 2010 at 12:19AM ESTStanfield crew
December 31, 2009 at 9:20PM EST Reply to CommentGreat writeup- while general consensus seems to be with Season 4, I agree on Season 3 as the best, or rather, my favorite, and "Middle Ground" is probably my favorite hour of TV of all time. I think one of the most underrated aspects of the show is how damn entertaining and rewatchable it is- some friends I try to talk into watching it seem to view it as a homework assignment, when really it's the equivalent of taking your favorite movie of all time, and then roughly multiplying the running time by 30.
Rinaldo
December 31, 2009 at 10:32PM EST Reply to CommentMany thanks for a series of wonderful reads! Obviously I (or anyone else) would have chosen a different 31, but this was a great list and the explanations have given me lots of fun mental exercise. Bravo!
One embarrassing question, as it was apparently instantly obvious to everyone else: what is the answer to the name-hint connecting numbers 13, 12, and 9?
dan Rinaldo - Original "BSG" star (and remake guest star) Richard Hatch, original "Survivor" winner Richard Hatch and, well, Season Two of "Lost" was all about... The Hatch. Good times! -Daniel
December 31, 2009 at 10:37PM ESTRinaldo Aha! (And I had even thought of the actor when Richard Hatch won Survivor!... stupid unreliable memory!)
December 31, 2009 at 11:11PM ESTWell played, sir.
Stephen
December 31, 2009 at 10:52PM EST Reply to CommentNo Shield? Well that's a major surprise. As for The Wire well i can't add anymore that hasn't already been said just to say its the correct choice.
Rinaldo Its omission shouldn't be a surprise, major or otherwise, as Daniel said in his preliminary remarks ("full explanation of the parameters," link provided just before the list on each page) that he would not be including The Shield because he hadn't seen enough of it.
January 1, 2010 at 12:11AM ESTJim I apologize for the mistake "non-comment" above. But yeah, how many times does he need to explain that he hasn't watched "The Shield" in its entirety for people to understand that he can't, in good conscience, put something on the list that he hasn't seen? Good grief, people.
January 1, 2010 at 12:16AM ESTStephen Ok I apologize for the comment not having read the parameters.
January 1, 2010 at 12:58AM ESTbri Well that's fine. But the title of this series should really be "TV's Best of the Decade That Daniel Fienberg Has Seen." Because a list of 31 shows of the decade which doesn't include THE SHIELD is pretty nonsensical.
January 1, 2010 at 2:52PM ESTTrekscribbler Excellent point, Bri. I nearly typed that a few days back, thought it should've been self-evident, and passed ... but it's what's bugged me about the whole list. Imagine if any TV critic anywhere would've crowned, say, EVERYBODY LOVES RAYMOND as "the best sitcom ever written." That critic would've been smothered under mountains of email or snailmail with questions like "What about SEINFELD?" "What about I LOVE LUCY?" "What about FRIENDS?" etc. Imagine the outcry from legitimate viewers if the critic replied, "Well, I've never seen those shows" or "I haven't seen enough of those shows".
January 3, 2010 at 8:09PM ESTWould any legitimate organization have then stood behind the critic?
I'm not trying to be an @ss here. As I've said elsewhere, the one thing I respect about 'lists' is that it gives all of us ample ground for open debate. I've always always always thought they were a great thing. They're even an especially greater thing for this 'thang' called cyberspace because webfolks want more and more traffic to their site, and one way to do that is to present something controversial, something that encourages debate, etc. On that front, I think it's okay, but, on the front of trying to balance legitimate journalism against the vast mountain of other fan-based crap out there on the internet, I end up thinking it's a bit of a travesty or a tragedy.
Like I said, I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but how do you take someone seriously when they have to admit up front, "Now, I'm gonna tell you the top 31 shows ever, but I've never seen 'X' so it ain't gonna be on my list." It all just seems either a bit too off center OR it's all a bit too fanboy. It's hard enough being a fanboy and trying to get respectability from mankind, but maybe respectability isn't a premium here ... which is ok.
In the end, it all just seems a bit less interesting to me, though ... and that's why I put up my 'Yawn' comment earlier.
Take it for what it's worth.
dan Trekscribbler - Well no, Trekscribbler, you *are* trying to be an @ss. Which is totally your prerogative, if that's how you want to approach things. From what I can tell, my mistake to you appears really to just be "transparency." I didn't *have* to admit upfront that "The Shield" isn't a show I watch. I just *chose* to due to a mistaken sense that it would reduce the carping on the one show I anticipated some people would be unhappy to see missing. [I was very wrong.] And at no point, I don't believe, did I say it was a show I'd never seen. I said it was a show I didn't watch. I didn't list many shows in that category because, in the balance, I watch a lot of TV and give the TV I watch a lot of consideration and thought and I think that consideration and thought is evident in this list. In any case, I feel OK about my legitimacy. -Daniel
January 3, 2010 at 8:41PM ESTTrekscribbler Dan, I'm glad you feel 'ok' about your legitimacy. In the era of political correctness, Heaven forbid someone not feel 'ok' about themselves.
January 4, 2010 at 9:26AM ESTMy point has to do with journalistic integrity, and I'm sorry that it's lost on you so much to the point that you thought it necessary to call me an @ss.
In the end, who's the bigger mensch?
David Goddamn Trek. Grow up dude.
January 4, 2010 at 11:53AM ESTTrekscribbler
January 1, 2010 at 2:17AM EST Reply to CommentYawn.
tigger500
January 1, 2010 at 3:11AM EST Reply to CommentMy favorite character on the show?
Bodie.
JD Williams played him with such resolute confidence that his lot in life is fixed and that, in a way, there is nothing wrong with that. Wouldn't say he was a happy character, but he was definitely more sure of himself than others. I've seen that dude SO many times that I continue to be so moved by Williams in that role.
Crying shame that JD Williams isn't working more. But we can say that for all the actors on the show (particularly, the black actors, which...DUH).
Great job, Dan!
Cam
January 1, 2010 at 10:52AM EST Reply to CommentCharacters:
Stringer
Marlo
Bodie
Omar
Marlo started out as a young buck I didn't like, cause of his disrespect, etc, but as it went on, I really started to love Marlo. He was a true gangsta, a soldier like Avon, not Stringer. And he probably had my favorite final moment in the series. He leaves the socialists and stands on his CORNER in his white suit a bullethole in his arm. My god.
And Bodies final scene still shakes me. THIS IS MY CORNER!
Cam
January 1, 2010 at 10:53AM EST Reply to CommentSocialites* Not socialists. Pretty important difference.
Sawy
January 1, 2010 at 8:03PM EST Reply to CommentGreat read, Dan. The Wire truly is on it's own level, and I don't see any future entertainment coming close to it, ever. Luckily it is just as good the 4th time you re-watch it as the first. As far as best seasons and favorite characters goes... Among the popos I can't help having a thing for Rawls. He's just such an enormous and unmatchable prick (stats, stats, stats). On the streets Bubble's journey could hold together a whole season on it's own. Talk about hitting rock bottom and then finding a hidden trapdoor of pain. Favorite seasons? 2,4,3,1,5 (atm, but could just as soon be the other way around) Favorite scene that comes to mind... Buying flowers for a colleague.
dan Sawy - If I had chosen to list Bodie among my favorite characters -- and he TOTALLY is... I love his full five season arc -- I'd have mentioned the scene buying the flowers for the funeral as my favorite... -Daniel
January 1, 2010 at 8:16PM ESTSawy Btw, have you by any chance picked up the UK show "State of play"? Only ran for 6 episodes, but I would easily have put it on my top 10 of the decade (the movie based on the show was decent, but still a let down). Worth a netflixing/DVD purchase/download.
January 1, 2010 at 8:31PM ESTdan Sawy - I'm a *big* fan of the original "State of Play." If I had done a separate list of things that weren't eligible for the main list -- foreign stuff, miniseries stuff, etc. -- it would have been right at the top. I thought the movie was, alas, pretty bad and kinda missed many of the points of the original... -Daniel
January 1, 2010 at 9:18PM ESTSawy So, what's stopping you? Go list us some state of play/band of brothers/whatnot.
January 1, 2010 at 9:46PM ESTdan Sawy - I'm like Clint Eastwood at the beginning of "Unforgiven." I'm through with the listing game... -Daniel
January 1, 2010 at 10:30PM ESTZach
January 2, 2010 at 12:45AM EST Reply to CommentThis should have been Curb Your Enthusiasm. Baffled by the fact that it didn't even make the cut.
dan Zach - "Curb Your Enthusiasm" as No. 1? Over "The Wire"? Hmmm... To each their own, I guess. This isn't like "The Shield" where, as you might have read in the comments somewhere, I hadn't seen enough to judge. "Curb" even made my Top 5 for 2009. But for the decade? In the balance? It would have gone somewhere between No. 32 and No. 40. That means I think it's quite a good show. But still... -Daniel
January 2, 2010 at 12:56AM ESTJanieJones
January 2, 2010 at 2:20PM EST Reply to CommentFernando
January 2, 2010 at 9:21PM EST Reply to CommentWHERE'S ACCORDING TO JIM?!?!?!?!? my comp was acting funny so ill say my thoughts on 1-3 here.
3. Love mad men but it could go downhill from here (as compared to bumping up sopranos, deadwood or arrested development). In ur list, 6 would have been a safer place (I could see y its ahead of lost, fnl, and idol). But yea, u could be on the wrong side of history on this one (like roger in blackface lol)
2. Yea, makes sense. If the wire is the great drama of the decade that isn't like anything else, then daily show is the greatest non scripted show in a decade where non scripted tv dominated.
1. YES! I would take the piece challenge with the wire and any piece of art ever created. Its my favorite piece of filmed entertainment ever, bar none.
Great list and great presentation. It was fun.
Fernando
January 2, 2010 at 9:23PM EST Reply to CommentGlad season 3 was ur pick if u had to choice. Its my favorite tv season ever!!! The idea of Hamsterdam was inspired art and the end of "Middle Ground" is amazing, bold television. "WELL GET ON WITH IT THEN, MOTHERF...."
Steve
January 3, 2010 at 5:01PM EST Reply to CommentOk, lists are subjective, but give me a fucking break. In which universe are soaps like Grey, Gilmore Girls or The OC or reality crap like Amazing Race, Survicor or American idol better shows than extremly well written (and some of them even groundbreaking) series like Oz, Rome, Carnivale, Damages, Breaking Bad, Sons of Anarchy and most of all The Shield?!?
The only good things on this list are Deadwood, Lost and Sopranos in the Top 10 and the most overrated show of all time aka Buffy not in the Top 10. The style over substance drama Mad Men is also incredibly overrated, but at least it really is a very good show.
dan Steve - When you call "Mad Men" a "Style over Substance" drama, but complain about the absence of a "Quirk over Substance" drama like "Carnivale" or a "Twists over Logic and Substance" drama like "Damages," it invalidates your whole opinion and perhaps your entire reason for existing on this planet. And by the time "Oz" reached the Aughts, it was just a melodramatic prison soap opera, but if you feel like prioritizing *that* over an "OC" or "Grey's Anatomy," that's RIDICULOUS. [Oooh. That was fun. I can play the "outraged and incredulous commenter" game, too. But really, I don't have much desire to. Every show on my list got between 1500 and 3700 words defending its position there. If your opinion happens to differ, that's totally fine. My list has my name on it and, for the most part, satisfies me.] -Daniel
January 3, 2010 at 5:12PM ESTHatfield Dan, I would disagree with your assessment of Cranivale, but I'm a huge sucker for crazy mythology and end of the world stuff. I think the story that Daniel Knauf concocted was kind of genius, and it still haunts me that we'll never know how it played out.
January 4, 2010 at 2:38PM ESTI do, however, love your response to Steve.
David
January 4, 2010 at 12:17PM EST Reply to CommentJust finished up Season 3 yesterday, and Im gearing up for Season 4. Without a doubt the most thought-provoking season of television I have ever experienced. The idea of Hamsterdam was inspired. So much of this show evokes sadness for me. Its sad to see how trapped most of the characters are, in their various situations, and how trapped the system is. Things are so entangled the most you can hope for on this show are little moments of hope, that usually only last for a minute at best.
WhatTheFDidIDo
January 8, 2010 at 9:41AM EST Reply to CommentSo I just got done rewatching some of "The Shield", and thought I should pace your expectations a little after all the demands for it's placement on this list.
Seasons 1-4 are mostly all very good. Though the show's weakest point is in the middle of that run. But it doesn't reach true greatness until the 5th season. I hate to use hyperbole like "greatest turn by recurring guest actor ever", but Forrest Whitaker's addition to the 5th season might be just that. And season 7 cements it's placement as one of the best TV drama's of all time.
Trekscribbler I was hooked from the get-go. It's one of the only shows in my life I've found truly addicting. I recall having some little problems with Seasons 2 & 3 -- character stuff, mostly, that I had trouble with -- but, overall, I found it one of the most consistently pleasing experiences TV has ever delivered.
January 8, 2010 at 11:59AM ESTChristian
January 8, 2010 at 5:00PM EST Reply to CommentGreat read, your enthusiasm for this great show really shone through in this post.
favourite moment:
S5, -30-, ending montage: Bubbles casually jogging up those stairs like it ain't no thing and see him sit on the table with his sister and her kid. That moved me to tears. If any character deserved a happy ending, it had to be Bubbles so this was the most heart-warming, rewarding moment of the entire series.
favourite characters: Stringer, the Bunk, Jay Landsman, Chris Partlow, the Greek
Favourite theme: capitalism and how it is portrayed as an allmighty god that can arbitrarily throw lightning bolts at the few individuals that dare defy it