Cannes Film Festival 2013

Movie Review: Tarsem Singh's 'Immortals'

Tarsem Singh's vision and Henry Cavill's star power fight a hollow story

  • Critic's Rating C+
  • Readers' Rating C-
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Mickey Rourke of "Immortals"

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Tarsem Singh's "Immortals," which hits theaters on Friday, has as much to do with Greek mythology as Adam Sandler's "Jack & Jill" has to do with the unraveling of the structure of DNA.
 
Yes, the main character's name is Theseus. Yes, there are characters named Phaedra and Zeus and Athena, just like you might see if you pulled your tattered Edith Hamilton down from the shelf. But it isn't *that* Theseus. It isn't *that* Phaedra. And it's barely that Zeus or that Athena. The effect is similar to watching a slacker comedy about a pair of video store clerks whose names happen to be "James Bond" and "Dr. No." 
 
"Immortals" is also set in the perplexingly contemporary and specific 1228 B.C. but it has no connection to any factual history either. 
 
Scripted by Charley and Vlas Parlapanides, "Immortals" in an amorphous blob a familiar pseudo-mythological and pseudo-historical elements possibly culled from a half-reading of Joseph Campbell and grafted together with a half-baked philosophy derived from what I'm fairly sure is a misreading of the Socrates quote that starts and ends the movie.
 
"All men's souls are immortal, but the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine," Socrates said, but when we're talking about mythological and narrative immortality, it seems to me like what the writers have done to the established story of Theseus and the Gods is basically the opposite of what we're supposed to believe about the durability and resiliency of legend. It's like saying, "Yes, this is how you become a legend. And then 3000-ish years later somebody will come along and ignore all of that stuff."
 
There's a point I'm trying to make here and I may not be making it well, so I'll just bottom line it: With its pretenses towards literary and cultural tradition, "Immortals" gives you a lot to think about, but it's probably better that you don't. This is not a smart movie, a thoughtful movie, nor a movie that gives you any reason to invest in character or plot.
 
What "Immortals" is, though, is a work of frequently breathtaking beauty. The trailers have been cut together to emphasize the involvement of some of the producers from "300" and to make viewers think that what they're getting is another tale of speed-ramping Spartans and CGI excess. But whereas "300" director Zack Snyder is, at best, an extremely gifted mimic -- I'm not going to be forgiving "Sucker Punch" any time soon -- Tarsem Singh is that rarest of cinematic creatures: He's a true visionary, though I'd restrict that mantle to calling him a visionary stylist, rather than a visionary storyteller. 
 
Because "Immortals" looks and feels like a Tarsem Singh film, rather than a "300" manque, it ends up far outstripping the merits of its script. I don't think "Immortals" ends up being a good movie, but like all of Singh's films, it's going to make a killer full-color, glossy coffee table book.
 
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In this incarnation, King Hyperion (Mickey Rourke) is on a mission not only to vanquish the world, but also to unleash the Titans and kill off the Gods themselves. This is a bad thing.
 
Only one man can stop him. That would be Theseus (Henry Cavill), a low-born bastard [the script's designation, not mine] whose mother is a believer in the Gods, but who lacks faith of his own. When Hyperion ravages Theseus' cliffside hometown, he goes on a mission for revenge, with the help of Virgin Oracle Phaedra (Freida Pinto), roguish thief Stavros (Stephen Dorff) and, behind-the-scenes, an assist from the Gods, who aren't supposed to directly impact human life, but hover in Olympus watching the impending carnage like over-eager football fans, perhaps because somebody has been learning their mythological rules from "Clash of the Titans." It's all about Theseus achieving his destiny, but having stripped the best moments from the character's familiar mythology, I can't tell you what Theseus' destiny is, other than to become a nebulous Reluctant Hero Archetype. There's some side journey involving a magical utensil called the Epirus Bow, which is a pure MacGuffin. 
 
To a handful of viewers, Cavill is best known from "The Tudors," but he's already entered a far wider consciousness as the new Superman. If nothing else, "Immortals" will establish for non-Showtime subscribers that Cavill's charisma is immense, that he's utterly believable doing physically challenging stunts and that he can spit out large chunks of horrid dialogue without looking like an absolute fool. You think it's easy to do those things? Check out Sam Worthington getting consumed by the awfulness that was "Clash of the Titans" to appreciate how utterly unscathed Cavill is at the end of "Immortals." I was already convinced that he was a great choice for Superman, but this is just a welcome confirmation. 
 
Rourke seems to be channeling Marlon Brando at his most over-indulgent here, giving himself over to King Hyperion's excesses. The character is constantly eating and spitting and growling and while he's surrounded dozens of warriors with six-pack abs, Rourke looks ready to drink a six-pack. It's not subtle, but it fits a character who wants nothing less than to than to kill Gods and achieve metaphorical immortality. Hyperion has also been given just enough of a backstory to make you wish even more had remained in the movie. [Singh is well-known for trimming scripts, even his own, beyond recognition, so I kinda want to acknowledge the possibility that the screenwriters wrote a better movie than this, but it just wasn't the movie Singh wanted to make.]
 
Pinto looks stunning and Singh has no trouble knowing how to work around her limitations as an actress, filming her perfectly both clothed [gorgeous costumes... more on that in a bit] and unclothed. But if you stop and unpack what "Immortals" is saying with her character and the notions of male heroism and female heroism, it's actually repulsive. Do NOT attempt to unpack the gender politics in this movie.
 
From there, the other actors make only variable impressions. Once you get over Zeus looking like Luke Evans rather than Laurence Olivier or Liam Neeson, Evans is surprisingly good in a couple quiet moments. Dorff's flat American accent is an odd distracting in a character who mostly serves as weak comic relief. "Vampire Diaries" fans will be surprised and pleased with how solid Joseph Morgan is in one pivotal part, while "Breaking Bad" fans will surely be happily ringing bells at the sight of Mark Margolis.
 
But that's entirely too much time wasted on actors. 
 
Tarsem Singh is the star of "Immortals," particularly in his collaborations with cinematographer Brendan Glavin, production designer Tom Foden and costumer Eiko Ishioka.
 
Ishioka has worked with Singh on both "The Cell" and "The Fall," which Foden also worked on "The Cell" and there's something marvelous about the continuity between the three films, visually. 
 
From the opening shot of the film, featuring the Titans, drenched in cracking body paint trapped within a cube cell lined with tiny arched windows, you instantly abandon any fear that this was Singh selling out and making an assembly line studio film. You look at Singh and Foden's depiction of the mythological labyrinth leading to a temple where supplicants kneel before gigantic gauze-covered heads and you recognize the vision. You see Hyperion's battle mask, like a lobster claw perched atop a venus fly trap with pointy fangs dripping down over his face and you recognize the vision. You see the purity and simplicity of a scene in which the male stars are covered in black, oily water, practically blending into a stony wall, sitting next to Pinto's Phaedra, freshly washed and wrapped in an untouched blood-red shawl and the effect is nothing less than painterly. Singh likes to talk about his compositions as tableaux and more than anything, I'd recommend viewers pay attention to when the director utilizes overhead shots and the way he almost stops caring about narrative momentum in favor of reveling in lines and colors on his canvas. As I mentioned in my intro, Singh films make great coffee table books and that's not empty rhetoric. I enjoy my book of "The Fall" every bit as much as I enjoyed the movie. I could see "Immortals" having the same appeal.
 
But don't go into "Immortals" anticipating only artiness, because the movie is fetishistically brutal as well. Heads are constantly flying through the air, arterial blood is constantly splashing onto walls and when that bores Singh, he goes in for even more sadistic violence. It's all cartoonish, but that doesn't mean that fatigue doesn't begin to set in.
 
The action sequences are solid, if mostly uninspired. I was grateful for Singh's willingness to take advantage of Cavill's strengths to do a number of extended takes that feature nicely choreographed sword-work and fighting. When the Gods finally get to let loose at the end of the movie, everything begins to go haywire and while some viewers are probably going to go utterly nutty over the God-Speed sequences, I felt like their upstaging of the Theseus scenes cheapened the whole story. Tarsem Singh favoring a neat-o visual motif over the theme and characters in his film? Crazy, right?
 
As I reach the end here, many people will be asking at least one other key question: 3D or not 3D? "Immortals" was shot in 2D, but was always intended for a 3D post-conversion, which is more than could be said for the lifeless "Clash of the Titans" post-conversion. There were a few shots that seemed to reward the 3D experience, but there were also scenes in which the 3D made some of the backgrounds and limited sets look a bit shoddy, which couldn't have been the intent. In the action scenes, the 3D added little, but also didn't detract. I think my general recommendation would be 2D, but that's pretty much my default recommendation on post-converted 3D.
 
There really was a time when a movie like "Immortals" would come out and I'd say, "Well, it's not a good movie, but if you're going to see it, you've got to see it on the big screen, because it's so cinematic." I don't know if I feel that way anymore. The story and the emotional hook of "Immortals" are so weak that I can't recommend it as an overall experience and I think that "Immortals" will look nearly as good on a huge TV on Blu-Ray. Yes, there's much to be said for the immersion of the movie theater experience, but I think "Immortals" may be even more enjoyable when you can press pause on your favorite images, study your favorite compositions and maybe, if the DVD is specialized enough, eliminate the dialogue track entirely. 
 
"Immortals" is now in theaters.
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Daniel Fienberg
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A long-time member of the TCA Board and a longer-time blogger of "American Idol," Dan Fienberg writes about TV, except for when he writes about movies or sometimes writes about the Red Sox. But never music. He would sound stupid talking about music.

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    Craig

    Dear Mr Fienberg, your disappointment and, dare I say, bitterness, are palpable. It seems that in reviewing Hollywood feature films you have chosen the wrong vocation. In an era of soulless and uninspired simulacrum, do you really expect to find that all-elusive nugget? As Western society repeats to itself stories of its own demise, I guess its schadenfreude that keeps us all coming back. The most we can do is admit to feeling numb.
    Empathetically yours,
    Craig

    November 11, 2011 at 4:49AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Phil Ur smart!

      November 11, 2011 at 8:46AM EST
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      dan Craig - Good thing, then, that vocation is mostly reviewing television, a source of boundless creativity and causes for joy!

      Or something...

      -Daniel

      November 11, 2011 at 12:23PM EST
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    jukeofurl

    1. This has to be better than 99% of Indie & "heist" flicks. AND Cavill proved his acting & physicality in The TUDORS every time he was on screen.

    2.Where the @#%&*! is ep 102 of the podcast?

    November 11, 2011 at 5:31AM EST Reply to Comment
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      dan JukeofURL - As we said on Twitter over several days, Alan had some sickness this week and that led to a slew of scheduling issues and, unfortunately, a week's hiatus. We'll be back next week!

      -Daniel

      November 11, 2011 at 1:04PM EST
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    Greg

    Crap.

    November 11, 2011 at 5:49AM EST Reply to Comment
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    bombe20

    Well, as an old saying goes: "you shouldn't beat up a cheese because it stinks" :-) loved the review and can't wait to watch this little high-gloss-Kitsch they nearly sold me as 300 part 2.

    November 11, 2011 at 5:50AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Mandrake1979

    Mr Fienberg I have to agree that reviewing is just not your thing. This review is a mess and I think you should have a look at your colleague Drew McWeeneys work on how to construct one properly. The thing that I want to highlight is your love for Henry Cavill, just because he's been cast as Superman does not make everything he does great. In this he does nothing exceptional and is very average, if at all that. Also the entire film is a mess. I wish I had never witnessed it on a screen.

    November 11, 2011 at 5:58AM EST Reply to Comment
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      dan Mandrake1979 - Thanks for the feedback! I do wish that you'd gotten to me 10 or 15 years ago before I started reviewing movies and TV shows for a living. You could have saved me a lot of time!

      -Daniel

      November 11, 2011 at 12:24PM EST
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      Mandrake1979 Oh wow dude that stings I'm reeling from that one. Just because you have being doing it for 10 or 15 years(seriously you don't know how long you've been a critic? because 5 years is a massive bit of uncertainty) does not mean that you have achieved any greatness in the field. You could have started at the same level of talent that you have shown today. Maybe instead of acting like a child with a so called pithy comeback try and take on some criticism and then improve. I stand by what I wrote and Drew McWeeny is the best critic on this website. Also just because you have a man crush on Henry Cavill does not mean he will be a great superman(that forgot to put on his pants) or that anything he's in means he's amazing in that part. Good actors sometimes do bad jobs, Just like critics write bad reviews or God forbid get their reviews completely wrong.

      P.s. If you haven't improved in the last 10 or 15 years then I do wish I had gotten to you before you started doing this for a living. Hoping you take this on board and start to improve for the future or are you just going to stick to silly little comebacks? we will see.

      November 11, 2011 at 2:44PM EST
    • Mandrake1979 - I said that Cavill was "utterly believable" at doing stunts and that he didn't look like a fool reading the movie's dialogue. I *did* say his charisma was "immense," which sounds a little unfortunate when I re-read it, but otherwise I'm not sure how anything I said rises to the level of hyperbole that you seem so unhappy about. And I *do* think he's a great choice as Superman, which doesn't mean he'll actually turn out to *be* a great Superman.

      And I'm glad we can agree that Drew is awesome. That's not me being pithy. He's like our site's Henry Cavill.

      -Daniel

      November 11, 2011 at 2:59PM EST
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      ash Dan - If it's any consolation, I think you're a great reviewer, as good as McWeeny, and sometimes better. But, then again, I don't think a "great superman" should be defined by his pants, or lack thereof, so what do I know? (Aside from how to use punctuation.)

      November 11, 2011 at 4:09PM EST
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      Miles "He's like our site's Henry Cavill." Brilliant. Funniest line I've heard in 10 or 15 years.

      November 11, 2011 at 4:15PM EST
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      Mandrake1979 Daniel I must thank you for replying and you seemed to have reread your review and realized something was wrong. Then you spoil it with a silly little comeback at the end of your post, just confirming everything I now think about you as a serious reviewer.

      @ASH I'm happy that you like Daniel's reviews and good luck with that. Also no one defined the new superman costume by his pants. I just refereed to the lack of pants on the costume looks stupid. In my opinion he now looks like he's wearing a baby's onesey thats put on children for novelty value.
      P.s. ASH If you're going to have a go at someone for an error in punctuation on the internet, maybe you should proof read your post before you submit it.

      @MILES - oh dear!

      November 11, 2011 at 5:16PM EST
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      Slim Charles Mandrake, you start your comment by saying that this review is terrible and that Fienberg has no sense of proper structure, but then your main problem seems to be that he liked Cavill's performance. Why couldn't that have just been your comment? You don't follow up on why the review is awful or how it's poorly structured. You just seem to have that one very specific problem with Henry Cavill, so why not present your argument on that point without first launching unwarranted and unsupported personal attacks? Would that not have gotten you enough attention?

      November 12, 2011 at 8:28AM EST
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      Mandrake1979 Hello SLIM CHARLES, this was not a personal attack and definitely not an unwarranted one at Daniel Fienberg just a poorly constructed review. If the review was written by someone called John Frogscottle I would still be saying the same thing. I highlighted the Cavill comments because they are an example of the reviewer trying to infuse one film with the quality or suggested success of another film. As we all know no matter how good/bad the Man of Steel film will be it will be a successful film and some people will love it. So this film Immortals should be judged on it own merits or lack there of. Not have quality implied because Fienberg believes Cavill will make a good superman. If Cavill does a good/bad job then say whatever it is, do not go 'but he's Superman so its not his fault'. Michael Kenneth Williams is great in the wire and Boardwalk Empire but to say he's great in Community because he is great in the other two shows is ridiculous. Because he is not great in Community it sounded like a great idea but it does not work that well. So that is what you say. It comes across that Fienberg likes Cavil's performances because he is Superman. I would love to have heard his opinion if this film was reviewed before it became public knowledge of Cavil being cast as Supes. Also because Cavill has "immense charisma"(which he does not at all) and the film looks pretty does not make a film good, that just makes a good photograph. If the script is bad then the film is already on shaky ground. Just like building foundations on sand.

      SLIM if you think that people who write on websites gain attention of any worth then it pains me to say but I pity people who think like that. AICN has talkbackers like that and that is what makes 90% of their comments redundant.

      As to comment on the structure of the piece then lets look at the first 5 paragraphs that Fienberg prattles on about nothing and goes on several tangents. This is either an attempt on the reviewers part to put in references to pop culture(bad ones) and knowledge on the subject to prove he knows what he's talking about before actually starting to review the film. Or either then this is a stream of consciousness and means that he doesn't know how to start his review so just writes until he finds a jumping off point that suits him. Both of these show that the reviewer doesn't know what he is doing but is trying their hardest to show that he really does. Also look at the first part of paragraph 6 which states "There's a point I'm trying to make here and I may not be making it well, so I'll just bottom line it" basically telling the reader that what you have just read it worthless and was a waste of your time. So even Fienberg knows and tells you that the first part of this review is pointless.

      P.s. SLIM I don't have a problem with Cavil as Superman. I hope he walks away with some dignity from the film. But all the elements that I've seen do not look good and I am not going to follow the herd and say what everyone else says. If the Emperor is wearing no clothes then you say the Emperors is naked. Just like the new superman suit in my opinion looks awful and like a babys onesey. Having superman in a solid blue leotard puts him on par with Borats mankini.

      P.p.s. SLIM there you go an example that shows right from the start why this is a terrible review and terribly structured but if you still think I'm making comments for attention well that is just your personal attack to try and belittle me that didn't work and never will. Enjoy your day, peace.

      November 12, 2011 at 5:01PM EST
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      Noomi Lol, you've checked back on this discussion board quite a few times for someone not interested in attention.

      November 13, 2011 at 12:06PM EST
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      Mandrake1979 NOOMI hahahaha really did you even read my comment on attention? or did you just read the short messages because they were all you could cope with? oh NOOMI I'll be back later just to see what you think because thats the definition of attention seeking.

      You Idiot!

      November 13, 2011 at 1:37PM EST
    • Mandrake - The first five paragraphs aren't at all unconnected. They relate to the fact that "Immortals" wears the guise of being mythologically and historically based, but is neither and that by tipping its hat to literary/historical sources it invites contemplation along those lines, thought that isn't rewarded. And yes, it is intended somewhat as stream of consciousness, following my thoughts as I put in the effort to think about the movie on levels it's best not to be thought about. If you don't like the approach, that's fine. There's nothing I can do to dissuade you. But saying I prattle on about nothing just isn't true. The prattle part? Totally true.

      As for the Cavill stuff, we seem to disagree on... his charisma. And that's about it. It happens that I like Cavill on "The Tudors." Maybe that causes me to give him the benefit of the doubt. You'd be hard-pressed to find any indication in my work that I'm the sort of critic who's gonna start giving actors a free pass because they've been cast in an upcoming superhero movie.

      Your analogy regarding Michael K. Williams isn't apt and you even admit it. What I'm doing with Cavill here is the equivalent of four months ago saying, "The idea of Michael K. Williams as a biology teach on 'Community' is hilarious." Which it was. The reality of Michael K. Williams on "Community" has not been hilarious. All I'm doing regarding Cavill is saying, "To me, it seems like a good idea." You disagree. I get that. But my thesis is entirely speculative and you can't really disprove it until 2013.

      And you write "Also because Cavill has "immense charisma"(which he does not at all) and the film looks pretty does not make a film good, that just makes a good photograph. If the script is bad then the film is already on shaky ground. Just like building foundations on sand." Yes. This is a "C+" review. On RottenTomatoes, I entered it as "Rotten." At NO point in this review do I say this movie is good. In fact, your "that just makes a good photograph" is quite literally what I say on multiple occasions.

      In any case, I'm engaging with total civility here.

      You dislike my review. I get it. If you choose to continue not to read me in the future, that's just the way it goes sometimes.

      -Daniel

      November 13, 2011 at 3:08PM EST
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      Noomi Mandrake1979, you said in your previous comment that you do not care about attention, yet you've checked back numerous times to see how others have responded to you. There's a bit of a contradiction there, don't you think? However, instead of acknowledging this contradiction, you called me an idiot. I understand people like you. You're a troll. You use unnecessarily harsh language to goad people into engaging with you. It's kind of sad, really, but congratulations because I've taken the bait. People like you annoy me more than you could possibly know. You think that shouting the loudest makes you right. You express yourself poorly, and then when people call you on it, you say that they're stupid. Guess what, we can all be geniuses in our own minds, but assuming that everyone else is stupid doesn't actually make us smart. You embody so much of what I hate about the internet. You're a hopelessly stupid bully who attacks others from the safety of anonymity and sees no reason to reexamine his beliefs or actions. And I realize that I'm not being a whole lot better than you are right now. Being mean, calling names, etc., and perhaps that's the most annoying thing about you. You can't compete with anyone on an intellectual level. Your arguments are weak and full of contradictions, so you try to bring it down to name calling. That's something you can handle. Well, I'm on your level now, it's been fun, and if you'll excuse me, I'm done with you.

      November 13, 2011 at 3:33PM EST
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      Mandrake1979 DANIEL firstly my analogy about Michael K. Williams is very apt and in no way do I admit it isn't. Your point about it not being apt is ridiculous as it is not 4 months ago, your review is about the film you just watched not a film you are about to watch. You have missed the point, you may think he might make a good superman, thats your right. To me that should have no relevance on his role in Immortals. By thinking that(if the case) shows you are letting his role as Superman affect your opinion on his role as Theseus, which it should not.

      You kinda contradict yourself on that point in your last comment "I like Cavill on "The Tudors." Maybe that causes me to give him the benefit of the doubt" and then by saying
      "You'd be hard-pressed to find any indication in my work that I'm the sort of critic who's gonna start giving actors a free pass because they've been cast in an upcoming superhero movie" the superhero movie bit is irrelevant, my point in based around any role(including the tudors).

      I personally believe that the first part of your review reads like bullet points that you wanted to put into your review but you just blurted them out straight away, instead of working them into the main structure of the review.
      Listen I will keep reading your reviews in future as I like this site. I hope that your future reviews will be better than I believe this one to be. I am glad you want to keep this on a civil level as I also do. The one line I do regret writing is the first line of the original comment "Mr Fienberg I have to agree that reviewing is just not your thing" that was out of order in retrospect. so for that I apologize. I stand by my point of view and also believe that even with your rotten status on RT this review will influence people to watch it because of elements you give a glowing report on e.g. Cavil and the visuals, just look at BOMBE20 comment.

      So for the future I will seek out your next review.

      P.s. take what I'm about to say on board or don't it is up to you, but this all started from a comment I made that you gave a snide reply to. Which started the ball rolling as I replied in kind. Maybe next time don't try to come back with a reply thats meant to put your readers in their place. As you can see there are some of us who will respond with the same attitude that you use.

      Take it easy and Peace, Daniel.

      November 13, 2011 at 4:12PM EST
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      Mandrake1979 NOOMI look you're back again! if you try and call someone names and laugh at them DO NOT! be surprised when they respond exactly the same way. Also there was alot of "Pot calling the Kettle black" in your comment, don't you think? Especially with you coming back to the same page to check what your reply would be. I also addressed your point you just ignored it. With all the elements you accuse me of being you just come across like the guy screaming on youtube about LEAVE BRITNEY alone. So go cry me a fricking river. What are you going to say next? that am jealous in some way? which is what people do when they realize they can not win an argument. So save trying to appear to have the higher moral ground with your comment, it is pathetic and you should be ashamed with yourself. If you did take the bait like you have said then maybe next time be the better person and DON'T reply, prove that you are a stronger willed person, instead of weak minded, because what you just did is EXACTLY what you are accusing me of being. So with you I will not be Civil. I ask you to go out in the street among people and when you hear someone say something you dislike or disagree with, go up to that person and LAUGH OUT LOUD in their face and call them an attention seeker and then see what kind of response you get(I'll give a bit of advice don't tell them that they can not compete with you on an intellectual level.) If that doesn't make you think about your opinion and your second comment then there is no hope for you in the slightest.

      November 13, 2011 at 4:34PM EST
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      Noomi I know I shouldn't have responded. What can I say, I took your bait. I don't like being called an idiot. And I am sorry if you viewed my initial comment as some horrible slight. Personally, I thought its wording was rather mild, and I didn't think it warranted you calling me an idiot. My response to that was perhaps overzealous, but it couldn't have been unexpected. When you call someone an idiot, civility dissolves pretty quickly. I think you realize this, as you argue that you only became hostile after Fienberg's pithy remark, but how could you have expected him to respond any other way? You had just said, "Mr Fienberg I have to agree that reviewing is just not your thing. This review is a mess and I think you should have a look at your colleague Drew McWeeneys work on how to construct one properly." I don't know what you do for a living, but I imagine you would react with some indignation if a person with no expertise in that field suggested you weren't any good at it. You set the tone for your interactions with others. So, yeah, I got angry and went overboard in demonizing you, but it was in response to what I viewed as very rude behavior from you. Again, I don't like being called an idiot. And if you think that this started with me making a joke about how often you've checked this site for responses(a joke I realize that I am just as much the butt of at this point), then I will once again apologize but also suggest that you not take such things so personally (advice that could apply just as well to me).

      November 13, 2011 at 6:04PM EST
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      Phil "...but this all started from a comment I made that you gave a snide reply to". Haha, yeah your comment was so innocent to begin with. Not at all insulting or anything.

      November 13, 2011 at 9:13PM EST
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      Mandrake1979 Hello Phil welcome to the party. Well done for adding your two cents, it was so worth it. So insightful, I look forward to the rest when you manage to think of something else of equal intelligence and wittiness to add. Take your time don't force it and you know you'll think of something just as great and valid. You made me laugh. I hope you kept a copy to show everyone you know just how astute you can be. Now go outside and be just as useful and tell everyone you meet not to be scared and that the sun will be back tomorrow.
      Yeah worth every word you typed, so thank you and well done, you made me chortle.

      November 13, 2011 at 9:46PM EST
    • Y'all are gonna make me invoke Sepinwall's "Talk about the movie/show not each other rule."

      -Daniel

      November 13, 2011 at 10:01PM EST
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    blaqboi67

    Still wanna see it. Write a comment...

    November 11, 2011 at 10:28AM EST Reply to Comment
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    John

    I agree with your review, Dan. I would even go further - in that, I thought they didn't have Cavill do enough.

    November 14, 2011 at 12:24PM EST Reply to Comment

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