'Glee' producers clarify graduation controversy backstage at Comic-Con
What did Ryan Murphy say and what did he mean?
Lea Michele of 'Glee'
I'll lay the groundwork for you quickly:
Nearly two weeks ago, The Hollywood Reporter ran an interview with "Glee" co-creator Ryan Murphy saying that stars Lea Michele, Chris Colfer and Cory Monteith wouldn't be returning for the show's forth season. While it had been common knowledge that a large percentage of the "Glee" cast would be graduating, no producer had yet gone on the record to say which stars specifically would be graduating and what their ongoing future with the show would be.
In the interview, Murphy repeatedly and clearly said that Michele, Colfer and Monteith won't be back, which set off a firestorm online with reactions ranging from outrage to "Of course they won't be back, why is this news?"
On Sunday (July 24) morning at San Diego's Comic-Con, the "Glee" producers didn't have to wait long to be asked about the reported departures. And with Murphy absent, co-creator Brad Falchuk minced no words.
"I don't know where that reporter got that information," he said. After more questioning of the original report, Falchuk added, "Just because they're graduating doesn't mean they're leaving the show."
The reporter in question, a respected reporter from a respected industry trade publication, got the information from a lengthy interview with Murphy, an interview that was posted as a full transcript, a transcript in which the reporter asks Murphy to clarify, on multiple occasions, that the three actors in question won't be back next season. The complete transcript of the interview and the lengthy quotes in the original story were pretty clear and unequivocal. That left the "Glee" producers with the choice of either clarifying Murphy's words in front of 5000-plus fans, or throwing a reporter under the bus. Falchuk took the latter approach.
This caused me to head back to the "Glee" pressroom to try getting a little additional information.
[More after the break...]
If you've read me or follow me on Twitter, you know that the "I was taken out of context" epidemic is one that often frustrates me.
Two years ago, there was the incident in which Chloe Sevigny had harsh words for "Big Love" in an interview with The Onion's AV Club and promptly rushed to another reporter claiming she'd been taken out of context. The AV Club promptly posted the audio of the interview, which had been transcribed verbatim. [Here's what I wrote at the time.]
Early this year, Charlie Hunnam expressed a minor disapproval with a creative aspect on "Sons of Anarchy" and Hunnam accused the reporter of taking the quote out of context and Kurt Sutter went online and called the reporter ungentlemanly names. The reporter posted the audio from the interview, which had been transcribed verbatim.
Falchuk didn't claim Ryan Murphy had been taken out of context in The Hollywood Reporter, he claimed that there was no way of understanding how the reporter would have gotten the information in the story.
Read the transcript. See if you come away with an understanding.
For what it's worth, I understand why Sutter came to the defense of Hunnam, why the "Big Love" producers later basically accused The AV Club of getting Sevigny drunk at a party, why Falchuk chose to malign the credibility of a reporter rather than maligning the credibility of his peer. You stand by your own.
And that instinct to protect a colleague is probably why I made sure to ask Falchuk in the "Glee" press room why he made the choice he made in front of 5000+ fans.
"When it happened, Ryan said, 'I didn't say that' and that's what I know," he said.
Pressed a bit more, Falchuk expanded on his answer.
"What I said was, I think that's wrong, because Ryan told me he didn't say that. That's what I said," Falchuk explained. "I'm sure that if you look back, maybe in more words, but that's what I said, was that that's not what Ryan said. And the reason why I was confused as to why it would be reported that way is because it's just not true. Since March, we have been discussing with Cory, Lea and Chris, specifically, what the plans for the future are. That they're all graduating. We told them very clearly, 'You're all graduating, but we have plans for the future.' So for Ryan to say 'At the end of the season they're done' made no sense to me. And then when he told me he didn't say it, that's why I felt comfortable saying that, because I knew the actual... no matter what he said, I knew the facts, which is that it doesn't make any sense. It'd be like saying that Lea is not on the show next year. I know that Lea's on the show next year. So it wouldn't make any sense, so I felt comfortable saying that... I didn't want to impeach her in any way and say that she's wrong, but I know the facts and that Ryan told me it's not what he said."
I'll leave you to parse that. And don't worry, I have the audio.
The other producers at Comic-Con shied from additional explanation or clarification.
"I don't have a clue. I wasn't there. I don't know what was said or what wasn't said," Dante di Loreto said. "All I can say definitively is we have talked for quite some time that people are going to graduate, so that was a non-story. I think the story sort of became 'They're graduating and they're leaving the show' and that's never been anyone's intent, because you obviously have incredible talented performers, you've got a successful show, you want to keep people involved with the show. That's all I know definitively is that yes, people are graduating. We don't necessarily know who each of them are. We're certainly not talking about who each of them are and we know that just because you graduate doesn't mean you leave your hometown."
Ian Brennan, the show's third co-creator, said, "I was just commenting to Dante that I don't know anything about that story. The only thing I know is that the end of the story is just because the character's graduating doesn't mean they're leaving the show. They're graduating McKinley. That doesn't mean we lose them. That's all that has ever been tried to be communicated out there. I don't know the details of it all."
The post-panel clarifications, as you can see, are different from the in-panel "I don't know where that reporter got that information," opting to clarify, rather than pillory.
The bottom line is that yes, Lea Michelle, Chris Colfer and Cory Monteith will be back on "Glee" for Season 4. Falchuk's exact word was "Absolutely," though even that got a little clarification later.
"Right now we're really focused on what this season is and we'll probably get into that soon enough," Falchuk said. "The plan is to... Look, I say 'The plan is to...' Our plan is to keep them around and to have them around. And like I said, we've been talking about it with them for a very long time and so we will continue to do that. I don't know what's going to come of it. I don't want to say, 'I guarantee you they're coming back,' because look, they might come up and they might decide they don't want to come back. Anything could happen. But our idea is to keep them around because we love them all. They're all incredibly talented."
Of the semi-transitional feeling, Brennan said, "You can already tell in the scripts we've written, there's just sorta a sense of melancholy, which is really nice. It has a different, I think and you never tell until it airs, but I think this third season will just have a flavor that will actually seem different and it's unexpected and not even necessarily deliberate, even. But it's gonna be good."
I'm sure fans will be excited about this news and grateful to have the Emmy nominees and Monteith back. But make no mistake on where the reporter at The Hollywood Reporter got the information that suggested otherwise.
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July 24, 2011 at 6:59PM EST Reply to CommentMy head hurts.
Jennifer Mine too. What was that again? Who's on first?
July 24, 2011 at 11:44PM ESTRicardo
July 24, 2011 at 7:06PM EST Reply to CommentThey got to be fucking kidding. Ryan Murphy clearly said that THEY WERE LEAVING THE SHOW. He even said that he was gonna propose a spin-off to Fox where Rachel and Kurt would be trying to make it on Broadway. And some Glee executive producer also said in the panel that they talked about it and were leaning against it.
What happened is very clear. Ryan Murphy jumped the shark (I know how you love that expression). He said some things like he was boss and the others called him on it. Or Fox. Who knows. What we know is that Murphy was clearly planning on letting the characters go. Somehow, or someone, changed his mind. Now they're trying to go back on their word. Blaming the reporter is the easy thing to do.
And Dan, thanks for being this way, and please, bring that outrage to the podcast. =)
Tausif Khan It could just have been the response by everyone. The news was not met with joy by anyone.
July 24, 2011 at 7:35PM ESTjoe The news was met by joy from me - I thought we were a year away from starting the clock on Lea Michele's descent back into irrelevancy.
July 25, 2011 at 8:36AM ESTLJA Preach it, Brother Joe.
July 25, 2011 at 12:30PM ESTluke
July 24, 2011 at 7:12PM EST Reply to CommentIf ryan really was misinterpreted, then why did they wait three weeks to clarify this? The more likely story is they planned to have them exit, but when they saw the fan reaction they decided to back track. Gosh, Glee is just a mess on screen and off.
Sally Exactly, I think there was even an interview with Chris Colfer about how he didn't want to leave the show. Like you said, why the heck didn't Ryan try to correct it right away?
July 24, 2011 at 7:31PM EST
Sally, iirc it was actually a response via his twitter saying he had no idea.
July 25, 2011 at 1:25AM ESTMirri Maz
July 24, 2011 at 7:17PM EST Reply to Commenti've really lost all good will that i had towards Glee, from the disasterous second season to the way they seem to treat the cast (most of whom are over 25 y/o) and now this. There's a sinister vibe (how dramatic) to the show now.
Myos
July 24, 2011 at 7:25PM EST Reply to CommentWhat I'd hate MOST is if they made the 3 of them graduate then stay in Lima. They should graduate and go to college in a big city, each in a different college (because all at the same college would just be... dumb and unlikely) and they'd be back for a few scenes each episode. They wouldn't be the lead characters anymore but they'd still be there. Like, talking about college show choir or auditionning for Broadway or work/study getting into practice time or having a roommate that won't let you wake up at 6 in order to exercise and sing...
Tausif Khan
July 24, 2011 at 7:33PM EST Reply to Comment1) My initial reaction to Falchuck's response was that The Hollywood Reporter had been "O'Neal"ed
2) Didn't Sevingy try to claim that the reporter that interviewed her (O'Neal) was high at the time?
3) Chris Colfer had been interviewed by people on Emmy nomination day about the breaking story about the potential departure of his character and he said that he was not surprised by it and that he did not want to leave the show.
4) I remember in a number of places Murphy being quoted as saying that he wanted this show to be realistic and that he did not want the same kids to be in high school for 8 years.
5) However, I never saw him explicitly say that the three actors would be leaving the show. I heard it from reporters mouths that they would be leaving the show. Falchuck making the statement he made today at comic con is the first that I had heard explicitly that:
a) Colfer, Michelle and Montieth would be staying
b) Overstreet would be leaving the show as he had been offered a recurring role and that he would becoming back this season.
Murphy is usually very forthcoming and honest about what will happen on Glee. All of which he reveals usually comes to pass. Therefore I am surprised by this miscommunication. It might just be that Murphy and Falchuck are busy on American Horror story.
6) I thought Sutter ended up being correct about the situation with Hunnam. Even with the fully transcribed interview Sutter pointed out that the bloggers take on the interview was incorrect. Dan do you have a full transcript of that one?
Mel
July 24, 2011 at 7:33PM EST Reply to CommentThanks for this article. I love Glee and was sad to hear some of the staple characters would be exiting. I have no problem with Ryan Murphy backpedaling, but I think he should own it. Hearing a reporter blamed for misinterpreting an interview left a bitter taste in my mouth when all I wanted was to celebrate the good news!
Tausif Khan The thing is Murphy has said one thing and his writing partner Falchuck has said another so it is a little weird right now.
July 24, 2011 at 7:39PM ESTSuuuuure
July 24, 2011 at 8:08PM EST Reply to CommentRyan Murphy's lucky he's a TV producer and not a politician, or he'd be getting The Daily Show's patented "We have hours of clips of you saying the exact opposite" treatment right about now.
Well, The Hollywood Reporter should be doing exactly that to Murphy. Not to put too fine a point on it, THR was repeatedly accused of running a story containing fabricated direct quotes. I don't care if you're working the party circuit for Entertainment Weekly or covering the White House for The NY Times, that's pretty close to the worse thing you can accuse any media outlet or writer of.
July 25, 2011 at 4:09AM ESTJack
July 24, 2011 at 8:11PM EST Reply to CommentTausif Kahn, re: your "6)" comment --
http://www.screenjunkies.com/movies/movie-news/charlie-hunnam-has-strong-thoughts-on-sons-of-anarchy-and-the-ledge/
The "provocative" question in that instance was "Where does Jax need to go in S4?" and the headline that supposedly misrepresented what he said was "Charlie Hunnam Has Strong Thoughts On Sons of Anarchy and The Ledge". Both totally innocuous. I have no idea why Kurt Sutter -- who I'm actually a fan of, don't get me wrong -- threw a shitfit and called the interviewer a cunt about twenty times, or why he said his blog was "ridiculous bullshit". After the audio was posted, proving that the transcript was verbatim and there was no baiting going on, Sutter just called him a cunt some more, and again said his blog was "spun bullshit". Then he said that if he ever met the guy who wrote the article that he'd "rip his fucking heart, shit in the hole, then make his mother eat it." He defied plain fact and claimed we didn't hear the "actual questions that led to [Charlie's] response". If I remember correctly, Dan confronted him on twitter, saying, essentially, that we did hear the question and it wasn't provocative and neither was anything the reporter did. Sutter responded, again, if I'm remembering correctly, by saying "Fuck you".
I'm still a fan of Sutter's show, but I lost pretty much all respect I had for him over that.
He really did that? Wow, keep it classy Kurt -- and am I the only person who suspects that anyone who cussed his wife out like that on set would be applying for welfare by the end of the day?
July 25, 2011 at 4:17AM ESTtah
July 24, 2011 at 8:37PM EST Reply to CommentTausif
5) The question that was made was "Will we see Chris and Lea on Season 4?" or something like that and the answer was "No". Simply 'no'. There was nothing to misunderstand there. Then it was asked the same thing about Cory and again, he said he wouldn't be in Season 4. Then the reporter asked why and he said that it was because they were graduating. The reporter asked again, if they were not going to be in Season 4 AT ALL, and Ryan simply said "No" again.
courtney
July 24, 2011 at 9:25PM EST Reply to CommentI've lost all respect for this show's writers in the last several months. I can honestly say I won't be watching Glee, or maybe it's called "The Darren Criss Show" now, come fall.
Jen Please, that will be the nail in the coffin. I can't stand Blaine as a character.
July 25, 2011 at 8:01AM ESTPlanet Earth
July 24, 2011 at 9:33PM EST Reply to CommentThanks for fighting the good fight Dan.
Connie
July 24, 2011 at 10:05PM EST Reply to CommentBrad Falchuck also threw Chris Colfer under the bus when he said it was "weird" for Colfer to say he found out about it on Twitter. Whatever, Falchuck. First you say you haven't talked about it with him since March, and then you think it's "weird" when Colfer reads on Twitter that Ryan Murphy told THR that Kurt and Rachel wouldn't be back for season four? What is he supposed to think when he reads about the show's creator saying QUITE EXPLICITLY that he won't be back for season four? And if Colfer got the wrong impression, why didn't the people associated with the show - who were standing right next to him as he gave interviews the morning after finding out about the Emmy nomination - reassure him that, no, he wasn't leaving, instead of leaving him to deal with the fall out of Ryan Murphy's interview himself instead of celebrating his nomination and the start of the filming of his movie? Get your crap together, Glee writers, and stop expecting the actors to sift through your crap.
Julie I agree with this comment. I have lost all respect for RIB.
July 24, 2011 at 10:20PM ESTJ Ha - I was coming here to make exactly this comment. I'm now waiting for the day the cast finally gets fed up with being jerked around and starts walking out . . .
July 25, 2011 at 12:41AM ESTKianna
July 25, 2011 at 12:35AM EST Reply to CommentI like Dave Grohl's take on Ryan Murphy and the entire Glee!machine. It was a cute little show when it started, and now it's got 25-year-olds playing teenagers (badly, because the physical differences between 18 and 25 are not easily hidden). And now, rather than take any sort of innovative approach and let the "seniors" graduate and leave, the show is planning to bring them back to continue milking the cash cow. This is why we can't have nice TV.
I had no idea about the Kurt Sutter thing, though. (Thanks, Jack.) Didn't much care about him or his show, but I love Katey Sagal, and now I'm sad she's married to a guy who's too chickenshit to admit it when he's wrong.
Dock
July 25, 2011 at 12:52AM EST Reply to CommentI have on very good authority from one of the three actors mentioned that both they and the Glee producers have been planning on their departure all year. They will appear in a few episodes but are no longer under contract after next season.
Kim Maybe your source can confirm what really happened with Chord? I have heard he was initially only offered a two show stint at a huge pay cut and that they would not allow him to pursue any other projects while tied to Glee. The producers certainly "threw him under the bus" at Comic-Con.
July 25, 2011 at 1:09AM ESTMojo CoCo
July 25, 2011 at 1:24AM EST Reply to CommentThat's pretty damn cut and dry. One word answers of no when pressed for more details.
I think the worst part is that he told a reporter before some of the actors. Chris Colfer said he knew nothing of this and the interview states Cory Montieth didnt either. That's a really shady move. then again, the people behind glee have no clue what theyre doing which is why so many are frustrated with the show.
I doubt itll be on much longer given the erosion of the fanbase bc of the mass amount of autotuning and lack of vision.
Turtle
July 25, 2011 at 2:06AM EST Reply to CommentGreat write-up. I'm a Glee fan, but I make no bones about it being a sloppy show. I also take what producers and showrunners say with a grain of salt, because so many of them are plain and simply full of it. To that end, I have to thank you for calling these guys out on their lies. Not enough writers do this.
riga
July 25, 2011 at 2:30AM EST Reply to CommentI came to Glee with really low expectations, and I've been surprised how little quarrel I've had with the directions they've taken. Normally, I'm quite picky but I seem to be able to shut off the inner critic for this hour of television every week. But learning that Ryan Murphy is just easily bored and flighty is making me question if I want to stick with this show or get out while the getting's still good. I'd rather do that than keep watching and end up bitterly disappointed.
Iris
July 25, 2011 at 10:17AM EST Reply to CommentI just don't understand why Glee would be at comic con, no one cares about glee anymore
Karyn According to Dan's live blog, the room (the biggest one Comic Con has, I think) was packed, so obviously quite a few people do care about it. I'm not really one of them, but saying that just makes you sound petty and bitter.
July 25, 2011 at 10:59AM ESTSarah @Karyn I was there, and to be honest, the room was mostly filled with Supernatural and Doctor Who fans, which were the panels that came after Glee.
July 25, 2011 at 2:31PM ESTDezbot "Glee" was there ostensibly to pimp out the new 3D movie, but I heard that it was really there because Fox is a big sponsor of the Con and gets to pick which of its shows to pimp out, regardless if they are a good fit with the theme of the Con or not.
July 28, 2011 at 10:47AM ESTnic919
July 25, 2011 at 11:23AM EST Reply to CommentBetween the time Ryan Murphy said the three were leaving the show and now, you can bet that some executives realized that Colfer, Monteith and LM are the stars of the show and to get rid of them even if logically it makes sense, would kill the show. The writers have failed to focus on any of the other characters enough for an audience to want to care about them and now they have to hold on to the big three so that the show does not tank. I am sure whatever reason they come up with to keep them will be silly and I suspect the show only has a year or two left in it anyway.
The problem with Hollywood writers / producers is that they are so used to people kissing their asses that when a media person dares to do their job and call them on facts, we get ridiculous backtracking and actual lies.
LJA
July 25, 2011 at 12:32PM EST Reply to CommentThe more I read about and from Ryan Murphy, Brad Falchuk, and Ian Brennan, the more they sound like a pack of grade A douchebags.
Ricardo Ditto.
July 25, 2011 at 1:37PM ESTDezbot ITA with this post.
July 28, 2011 at 10:48AM ESTShari
July 25, 2011 at 1:02PM EST Reply to CommentGAHHH! Who freaking cares what was said and what wasn't?????? These writers are about as trustworthy as a murderer. They change their minds ALL the time. I'm not taking anything they say seriously. I'll wait until I see the episodes before I believe anything.
MrFloppy
July 25, 2011 at 6:57PM EST Reply to CommentThey don't know what they're doing.
Another example: poor Chord Overstreet.
Jojo
July 29, 2011 at 1:56PM EST Reply to Commentwell idk about (characters) FINN AND KURT, but i know for sure RACHEL has to graduate bc in at least one episode in season 1 of Glee it said specifically that Rachel was a sophmore. season 2 she's a junior and season 3 a senior!
Abe Froman
August 1, 2011 at 5:58PM EST Reply to CommentWhat the Falchuk?