Why do older movie critics suddenly want everyone off their lawn?
Has the generation gap finally become too wide for Roger Ebert and others?
'Whattaya mean TRANSFORMERS 2 made $200 million in the first nine minutes of release? Don't make me open up my HURT LOCKER, you punks!'
I was going to fold all of these articles into The Morning Read, but the more I thought about it, the more it felt like something that deserves its own entry.
Film critics hate you.
You. Whoever you are, sitting wherever you're sitting, reading these words... chances are, film critics hate you right now.
Seems unfair, doesn't it? After all, what did you do?
You committed the greatest sin against a critic's work that is possible: you did not listen.
If you had listened, then "Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen" would have had a $3 million opening weekend, while "In The Loop" would be racing towards the "Titanic" record right now.
So obviously, whoever you are, it's all your fault. All those remakes, all those sequels, all those amazing opening weekends for truly terrilbe films... you did that. And so you shouldn't be remotely surprised to learn that film critics hate you.
But you might be surprised to actually read that in print. I was.
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And I was even more surprised to see who piled onto this conversation in the last few days. I'm a little saddened by it, to be frank. Roger Ebert is someone I have enormous respect for, and over the past 12 years, Roger has absolutely been an important supporter at key moments. Being invited to Champaign-Urbana to speak at his Overlooked Film Festival is still one of the highlights of my professional life. Sitting onstage with him, talking about movies? Come on... that's crazy. I can't believe that even happened.
Over the years, I've tussled with Roger in print from time to time, over films like "Fight Club" or "Pearl Harbor" or, most notably, "The Cell," but I've always felt that Roger treats anyone who wants to talk about film seriously as a peer, and I've always felt like those were welcome conversations. I think it's important for a person to allow their own point-of-view to be challenged often and with vigor.
And yet, when I read the first paragraph of Roger's piece, and I see how his whole premise is built on these two massive fallacies, I'm taken aback.
"Apparently unconnected items appeared within two days of each other in the Los Angeles Times, and together confirmed my fear that American movie-going is entering into a Dark Age. The first was in a blog by Patrick Goldstein, who said: 'Film critics are in the same boat as evening news anchors -- their core audience is people 50 and over, and getting older by the day. You could hire Jessica Alba to read the evening news -- or review 'G.I. Joe' for that matter -- and younger audiences still wouldn't care.' The other was in a report by John Horn that despite 'The Hurt Locker's' impressive box office success, 'younger moviegoers are not flocking to the film, which could limit its ticket sales.'"
Anyone using Patrick Goldstein as a source of reliable information or opinion is, I'm afraid, starting from a losing position. How does he know that only people who are 50 or older make up the core audience for film critics? I am in constant communication with my audience, and that's simply not an accurate reflection of who they are. I constantly meet young filmmakers who have been reading my work online since high school, and school aged readers continue to discover my work and get in touch each and every year, and they are passionate about reading as many different reviews as they can for things. I think Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic have helped embed the idea into young readers that the best way to digest criticism is by reading a wide variety of reactions, then gradually honing in on the voices that seem to mirror your own reactions the best, or that challenge you the most consistently. Many of my readers tell me that they disagree with me frequently, and that's why they read my work. They take a pan as a recommendation, and a rave as a stern warning. And I'm okay with that. That's how it should work.
I don't care if anyone agrees with me. Ever. If I worried about whether or not my opinion mirrored what is popular or if I could single-handedly steer people to what I consider good films, I would have crumbled under the stress years ago. I don't think the job of a critic is to tell people what they have to go see. I don't think the job of a critic is to rail against what is popular, or to insult the taste of the viewing public, or even to question it. It's my belief that the job of a film critic is to offer up a perspective on films that is tempered by experience and by a broader film knowledge. A film critic can describe their own experience, and hopefully place a film into context, whether social or artistic or historic, and if the film critic commits to a real body of work, hopefully the critic over time manages to leave behind a sort of emotional biography, using the films they've covered as touchstones along their own personal journey.
The second part of that opening paragraph by Ebert, regarding John Horn's analysis of younger viewers not seeing "Hurt Locker," is just plain ridiculous. First, who out there seriously expected "The Hurt Locker" to be a major crossover hit with young audiences? The film is rated R, so anyone under 17 has to go with a parent, meaning it's not the choice when kids are out in groups on the weekend. And is there anything in any of the marketing or the publicity around the film that would indicate that Summit thought they were chasing the teenaged dollar with the film?
No?
Then what the hell are we talking about?
I mean, it's not just Ebert. Like I said, he was one of several voices who seem to have just plain snapped this last week. A.O. Scott just plain came out and called American filmgoers babies. Considering he's about to take over one of the seats on "At The Movies," I hope this is a temporary feeling, because week after week of someone sitting on TV telling the people at home that they are infants for what they like probably isn't going to reverse that show's fortunes any time soon.
And then there's Jeffrey Wells, who has recently accelerated his slide into full-blown crankhood with his nonstop rants about how essentially every other person on the planet who is not Jeffrey Wells is an ape or a buffalo or some other animal, and how none of them are worth anything. Think I'm exaggerating? He really does hate the general viewing public. In fact, he hates them so much that I sort of worry about him and what he might do.
Look, I get some of this. There are a lot of critics who have absolutely flipped out for "The Hurt Locker." Personally, I like it a lot, but it wasn't the film that made me jump up and tapdance this year. I'm not sure it's in my top five for the year, frankly. I like it. I'm glad it's a smart adult film. But whatever money it makes is irrelevant to me. Just as the money ANY film makes is irrelevant to me. Once a film exists, I don't really care how it does. I don't have profit participation points on the movie. I don't get paid if it does well, and no one breaks into my house to kick me in the balls if it does badly. I'm not invested in the commercial success or failure of the art I like. All I care about it (A) am I able to see it and (B) did it work for me? If both answers are yes, then nothing else really matters. For many critics, though, it increasingly seems that they need the audience to like what they like, and if that doesn't happen, then they are going to attack the audience and call them out.
Poor form, fellas. Seriously.
Let's take a case like "Twilight." The series is a commercial juggernaut. There are obviously millions of rabid fans. And I've seen critics who have felt the need to not only profess their dislike of the film or the books, but who also feel the need to attack the people who like it. And I'm afraid I don't get it. I didn't really like the first "Twilight," but I also don't think it was intended for me. I think it's an abstinence fable for girls and for swoony romantic women, and I think it's very canny in the way it plays to that audience. I am happy not reviewing the films at all, because I don't think anything I write is going to really mean anything to the fans of the series or the haters. It won't be glowing enough or nearly venomous enough. In the end, I'm indifferent to the films, so not covering them seems like the best option. I'm glad those fans are being serviced, though, and I'm glad they've found something they dearly love. I think that kind of passion for ANY art, whether I like it or hate it, is a good thing.
Pop culture in general skews very young right now. That is not the same thing as saying that it skews very stupid. I think the remakes and the sequels are all part of a culture that has very young tastes, and right now, they are the demographic rulers of all they survey. Every studio is desperately chasing one demographic above every other, and so we get a whole lot of films based on toys and video games and other movies that the target audience is too young to remember. Do I love this current film culture? No. Do I wish we could get back to telling original stories and encouraging interesting voices? Of course.
Is the answer telling the audience that they're stupid? God, no.
The only critic I've seen come at this thing from a sensible place is the almost-always-sensible Glenn Kenny, who offered up a fairly stinging rebuke to the guys who were all belaboring this point. Kenny sort of falls in the middle range here. He's not the same generation as Roger, and he's not really a "young" critic, either. Maybe that perspective is what allowed him to take a step back and observe that this is a cyclical sense of disappointment that Roger and the others are indulging. Often, the old guard sees the new guard as suspect, their tastes as lacking, and culture waning, no matter what the reality is. In the end, the thing that disappoints me most is that Roger used this moment to take what I consider a profoundly cheap shot.
Let me make something perfectly clear: there was no deal made, implied or otherwise, when Paramount showed me "G.I. Joe," and if I'd known before I saw it just how much noise everyone else was going to make, I would have waited seven days to see it at a midnight show. I am offered screenings every day of the week. In some cases, these screenings are before other critics. In some cases, these screenings are after other critics. In some cases, I am not shown a movie at all before it comes out. In other cases, I see several different cuts along the way. It all depends on which studio, which filmmaker, what our relationship is currently like, what kind of movie it is, and a dozen other factors. But for Roger to write this... well, it's just infuriating:
"That hasn't meant no advance screenings. Indeed, the movie was recently scoring 85% on the Tomatometer, although today (August 6) it is down to 65% and dropping. Why so strong at the beginning? The studio screened it (in the words of the invaluable Goldstein, for 'certified fan-boy zealots'). While some of them do articulate their reasons (I'm convinced Harry Knowles, bless his heart, really believes what he says), many are simply delighted to deliver an "exclusive early look" to their websites, making good on their half of an implied deal."
You can use "some" and "most," Roger, but you're painting us all with the same brush. You're saying that the film was only shown to people who were guaranteed to like it and say nice things, and that's simply not the case. I have kicked the ever-loving shit out of Stephen Sommers in the past, and in this particular case, I think he made a little-boy movie that works on the level it was intended. Wasn't it you, Roger, who told me in one of our conversations that a critic should never act like every film was made for him, but instead, that you should judge a film based on the goals of that movie and how well it accomplishes those goals? "G.I. Joe" was not a movie made for me at the age of 39, and I'm fine with that. I don't care about the toys or the cartoon, so I didn't really care about the movie, either. But I can recognize that the energy of it and the sensibility are all things that would punch me in the pleasure center at a certain age, and I can respect the film for accomplishing that. My review was not a rant by a "fanboy zealot" in any way. It was a measured response to a movie that I walked into without any preconceptions. And if this ridiculous hubbub hadn't started, I doubt I would have had much reason to write about the film again, but now it's become an ongoing conversation, and a deeply insulting one.
In a way, the last few weeks has soured me on the idea of any sort of "critical community." And it's not just that I think some of the older guys have finally started to beat the "THINGS WERE BETTER IN MY DAY, YOU WHIPPERSNAPPER" drum, something that's always sad to witness. The younger bloggers depress me for a different reason, which is that they seem to be without a formal background in either journalism or film, meaning they have weak situational ethics and a profoundly shallow knowledge of their subject matter. Even so, I could turn into a guy who spends all his time writing angry columns about what the kids are doing... or I could just focus my energy on writing about movies. The ones I love. The ones I don't. And the ones I really believe are worth sharing.
That's all any critic can do. And knowing that is one of the things that can make the difference between a good critic and a boring blowhard. Ebert's a long way from that, but some of these other guys are flirting with true irrelevance if they keep making the same points over and over without ever actually talking about film anymore.
So tell you what, fellas... we'll stipulate that all these kids today like the rock and roll and the fast cars, and they're all weird and we don't get it, and then we can get back to a conversation about film, and let's stop looking down our nose, okay? You're worried that you no longer have any influence with young readers?
Honestly... with the way you write about them... are you surprised?
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Next 37 CommentsMike Wurtzlebockerheimerstein
August 12, 2009 at 3:39AM EST Reply to CommentJesus CHRIST you really take yourself seriously, don't you?
Lighten the fuck up. None of this matters.
drew If it doesn't matter, why are you reading it? Or commenting on it? What job is it that you do that matters so profoundly? If you do it with the attitude that it doesn't matter, then I'm willing to bet you're not terribly good at it. Of course I take all of this seriously. The day I don't, I quit.
August 12, 2009 at 4:33AM ESTMike Wurtzlebockerheimerstein In RE: to Drew's comment:
August 13, 2009 at 4:34AM EST"If it doesn't matter, why are you reading it? Or commenting on it? What job is it that you do that matters so profoundly? If you do it with the attitude that it doesn't matter, then I'm willing to bet you're not terribly good at it. Of course I take all of this seriously. The day I don't, I quit."
I'll have you know I'm in charge of keeping President Obama's heart operating you presumptive bastard!
Well I kind of had to read it before finding out that it doesn't matter, first of all. You're a movie critic, not the Secretary of State. A little perspective is in order. I like your stuff but you come off as a very, VERY serious guy. I mean in an internet pissing contest about maturity a little levity would be nice. I'm waiting for you to slap Ebert in the face with your glove and challenge him to duel!
Come on, the man wasn't even thinking of you when he wrote that. Probably isn't even aware that you saw it early. You're just a little too itchy with the "personal attack!" trigger, is all. This isn't about you.
Heh, the security word to post this is "craggy".
Germain
August 12, 2009 at 3:48AM EST Reply to CommentDrew - interesting piece - really covered all your bases.
However, just wanted to let you know that the reason Patrick Goldstein probably said that "only people who are 50 or older make up the core audience for film critics" is because that's what all the research shows.
I worked at a newspaper, largely as a film critic, for the past five years and large amounts of money were spent surveying readers. The data always came back that people 50+ were the WIDE majority who were reading newspapers and, especially, entertainment. That's because younger people read sites like this for their news and reviews.
So while Goldstein's statement is surely a broad generalization, it comes from a factual basis.
drew That may be true of newspapers, but not of criticism. And thinking that newspapers are the only "real" media is exactly why they're going away.
August 12, 2009 at 4:34AM ESTMarc Mendoza
August 12, 2009 at 3:50AM EST Reply to CommentWell said, as always, Mr. McWeeny. But I wonder why there are almost never any comments on any articles here at Hitfix. Nothing like your old days at AICN. You'd be guaranteed at least 100 comments on the talkback within the first hour. Regardless, your still one of the best film critics/ writers on the web. Hope your getting the audience you deserve.
purpleskies
August 12, 2009 at 3:58AM EST Reply to Commentboy, did i enjoy this one. you're dead on. think ill visit this site more often.
foxtailor
August 12, 2009 at 4:51AM EST Reply to CommentSo you counter Ebert's position by calling him a grumpy old man. Fabulous. Did you leave a comment on Ebert's blog or e-mail him directly? Because your forum post is a one-sided conversation. Raise your concerns to him and he may well respond (he already has responded to others who've taken issue with his article).
And you stated that anyone under 17 who wants to see an R-rated film has to go with a parent. Since when have they actually enforced this rule? I was getting into R-rated films when I was 14. I don't see that as an excuse. (Incidentally, Ebert has received positive feedback from a number of "younger" readers.)
drew And that feedback undermines his own thesis. Roger posted his thoughts in his public forum, as did I. I have my own place to post, and considering what his column, and these others, have to say about the state of the business I work in, it's more than fair game for me to write about here instead of in a private e-mail. And I'm not calling Roger a grumpy old man. I'm asking if that's a part he wants to play. Big difference.
August 12, 2009 at 4:55AM ESTdre
August 12, 2009 at 6:13AM EST Reply to CommentWhile I appreciate much of your level-headed analysis here...aren't you missing the big picture? I see both sides here. You say you don't care how much a film makes or if no one else likes it. But shouldn't you? Not to validate what you feel about the film, no. But if the challenging adult films you love so much never make any money doesn't that send a message to Hollywood that they shouldn't invest in them? That challenging = box office death. I don't mean to say films like, say, The Fountain or Fight Club will simply go away. But wouldn't you rather see more of them rather than less?
dyikini
August 12, 2009 at 6:31AM EST Reply to CommentGreat article Drew! It seems people are very selective about what films they choose to see for what they really are. 99% of the films adored by Roger in his Film Lists blog could be seen as terrible by today's general movie going audience simply because they refuse to see past the dated look, not so great effects or black and white picture - just as sometimes Roger probably (GI JOE springs to mind) can't see past the dazzling effects, unrealistic characters and simple story lines that those same people love in the bigger films of today. It may not be right but it just is.
On another note, I have been perplexed recently by my girlfriends taste in film and trying as best I can to work out how we can disagree SO much on such great films (in my opinion). For example - Adaptation. I showed her and she loathed it because of where it went in the end. I love that film because it HAD to go in that direction as it's how the beginning of the film sets it up. I just couldn't imagine what about it she didn't get. But now I realise - she did get it. Your quote from Roger "...we should judge a film based on the goals of that movie..." When I read that, it clicked. I watch a film and naturally see what it is trying to do and that is what I base my preference or lack there of on really. Anyway, that's my two cents. Again, great piece.
Also, if you read this, may I ask what your opinion was on those films compared to Roger. Particularly The Cell which I am quite fond of.
HughKDavid
August 12, 2009 at 7:04AM EST Reply to CommentHi Drew,
Terrific piece, and you've said something I've tired myself of explaining to younger geek mates. Box-office is all well and good when looking at the chances of similar films coming down the pike - and working in the UK DVD biz means I need that to happen to stay employed as well - but it's pointless in exercising taste. I've removed myself from a number of fellow geek discussions over the last year or two, which is causing friendships to wither, but I cannot stand any more this need in younger geek friends for some sort of acceptance of their own views on a wide scale. Validation is irrelevant when coming from a mass of strangers, and you only think it is if you're a celebrity or wannabe celeb. As a geek all my life, I am proud of my taste, and I strive to keep my opinions informed in order to give them some validity in the wider debate. THAT'S ALL I NEED TO DO, and it's all anyone can. You have great taste in films, and you're a fine writer I've read for many years now, and you have a measure of access to the production and marketing process that can give me the geek rush I crave when it comes to film news. All of that makes you worth reading, as do your continued insights into your family life as part of your geekhood (I have two nephews of similar ages to your sons, but I don't get to see them enough to share with them the stuff I love - but I'm hoping to get to more in the future). Everyone else needs to figure out where they stand in relation to who they are, what they love, and what they do about that. I'm glad you have.
milk
August 12, 2009 at 7:48AM EST Reply to Commenti am a regular reader of your blog but i think you are being naive and hypocritical in this post.
Firstly, to suggest that you are not at all interested or concerned about how a movie does and then immediately say
All I care about it (A) am I able to see it and
is a contradiction. If intelligent adult movies continue to be pushed out of the theatres by the gi joes, the transformers, the crystal skulls, then you will not be able to see them.
Secondly, on the hypocritical side, you took offense that Ebert suggested GI Joe was screened to fanboys, 'some' or 'most' of whom were likely to give it a positive review, because it 'paints you all with the same brush'. And then later, in the same post, you state ....
The younger bloggers depress me for a different reason, which is that they seem to be without a formal background in either journalism or film, meaning they have weak situational ethics and a profoundly shallow knowledge of their subject matter.
You didn't even bother to use some or most, so I hope all of those young bloggers aren't as sensitive as you are.
lazygarfield Terrific comment, it would do you good to read this....
August 12, 2009 at 9:24AM ESTtransplanet Yes, I second milk's comment. I understand you, Drew, are generalizing to make your point, but I don't think it holds up. It absolutely matters that you gave Transformers II a pass but then complain about the sequel/remake glut that is killing the industry. When some people (Vern especially) asked you to clarify your position a bit, they were met with...silence. Because you've made it clear that you don't care what other people think of your reviews. But then, you write something like this that sounds like you are going out of your way to be offended by an overgeneralization.
August 12, 2009 at 11:38AM ESTJoeK
August 12, 2009 at 8:59AM EST Reply to CommentThere are so many issues at play in this piece it's hard to consider how they all play a part. It's way too much of an oversimplification to distill Roger's piece into a "it was better in my day" thing or even hone in on Transformers/GI Joe/Hurt Locker as any contemporary case studies. The bottom line is that film fandom and culture just feels...different right now and has inertia (perhaps cyclical, perhaps not) that just doesn't feel good to a lot of people. That is manifested not just in what's playing right now but what has been playing for a while now and what will be for the forseeable future. The online component to all of this also plays a huge part in my mind as it is the new place for film discussion and frankly it's mostly unfriendly, unwelcoming, hostile and decidedly not celebratory (even when warranted). The coarsening effect internet driven discussion cannot be discounted as a big part of what Roger is spitballing at in my opinion...and that bleeds over into a generational engagement with cinema as we know it. It's completely unfair to lump everyone under 30 into some cinematic leper colony but product ostensibly made for them almost feels 100% recycled or cynical and has crowded virtually everything else out of the marketplace for the time being. I think this is more about what we are getting on a regular basis anymore than any group's reaction to it.
chutneylix
August 12, 2009 at 10:21AM EST Reply to CommentInteresting piece. I have to agree with some of the other commenters on here, I think this was a more emotional piece for you than it appears. I did not have the same reaction you did to Roger's article. I thought it was funny and still had some good things to say about the movie. He may have gone a little far with the 'blogger' generalization but his article was hardly the last straw that you appear to have taken it as. Its natural to be offended when someone you highly respect takes a shot at a group of people you happened to so specifically be apart of. Not just online movie reviewers, but also those that saw GI Joe early. In the end there are good points on both sides....online movie critics are not the end of anything and the traditional critics are just having an industry/market and identity crisis that is only natural in a changing of the guard as you say. And finally, I did also feel that your review of GI Joe was measured and reasonable. I don't know how anyone reading your work could think you would be swayed by such an unimportant privilege as an advanced screening.
Anthony
August 12, 2009 at 11:16AM EST Reply to Comment"I don't care if anyone agrees with me. Ever."
You undercut the entire article with that fine piece of BS. That is a lie, and you know it is a lie. Yet, you want us to take you seriously (which is yet more proof your statement is a lie).
Evil Dead Junkie
August 12, 2009 at 11:35AM EST Reply to Commentnick_r
August 12, 2009 at 11:38AM EST Reply to CommentI think Ebert is dead-on about Paramount's strategy with "GI Joe"; after all, it's a variation of the same methodology studios have used for decades in selectively promoting and screening their films. Show it to the audience you think will like it best, let the word of mouth spread, and then go wider. Does the fact that so many early viewers gave it positive marks indicate that they were bought off in any way, though? Of course not -- no moreso than if J. Hoberman were raving about the new Pedro Almodovar film after seeing a sneak peak in Cannes. So Ebert really shouldn't be surprised. His dispatches from film festivals over the years, and the snippets of excitement about certain films contained within them, have been part of the same kind of cynical manipulation of the criticism/hype machine. That said, is it kind of a shame that studios are carefully cultivating their massive tentpole flicks while they ignore (or don't even bother to produce) smaller, smarter movies? Of course. And that fact, rather than bloggers, should be the real target of Ebert's rant.
Evil Dead Junkie
August 12, 2009 at 11:45AM EST Reply to CommentI'm of too minds on this one.
Normally when I'm talking with my movie geek friends I end up taking the roll of the populist. Which means I get to spend a lot of my time telling people to go see movies that they won't even give a chance to, because it made over fifty million at the box office.
Which can drive me kind of crazy.
But at the same time can you tell me that watching Transformers 2 overtake Star Trek and Up didn't bug you a little? Here are two movies, that showed that you can make a whole lot of money by putting time and effort into your work. Then Transformers 2 comes along to show you can make even MORE money by not giving two shits for anything other then visual effects.
Cause I'm not going to lie that drove me kind of crazy.
And I can't help but feel that your going after AO Scott was a tad hypocritical. Sure he's a bit over the top with the vitriol but at it's core alot of his comments aren't that far off from those you made in your WALLE review.
The sad fact is just because these critics may not be right doesn't mean they're wrong. I do think Hollywood believes we're morons. In fact they bank on it. And they're not going to stop anytime soon until people insist that they do.
Mr. Gunderson
August 12, 2009 at 11:53AM EST Reply to CommentGreat article, Drew. I can understand critics being disappointed that disposable films like Transformers and GI Joe are reigning the box office while smarter movies don't get half the attention (though Star Trek did amazingly so not all is lost) but denigrating them is definitely not the answer. The quickest way to becoming completely irrelevant is for them to keep telling everyone how dumb they are. So sad to see Ebert jump on this bandwagon.
filmfan
August 12, 2009 at 12:04PM EST Reply to Comment"The younger bloggers depress me for a different reason, which is that they seem to be without a formal background in either journalism or film."
Just curious, what's your formal background (outside of what I saw on wiki)?
Snarf
August 12, 2009 at 12:42PM EST Reply to CommentGreat article Drew. Well thought out and you make some very valid points. I think a lot of film critics (Roger Ebert included) completley trashed Transformers - Revenge of the Fallen, and so got shut out of seeing GI Joe early by the studio and are now feeling the sting of rejection. (Notice that a lot of the reviewers mention that they didn't get to see the film early as if that has any baring on it whatsoever) This coupled with the fact that despite poor reviews both films seem to be doing well has resulted in some critics basically getting their collective tits in a knot, attacking peers and potential readers. Dumb move.
anonymous2
August 12, 2009 at 12:58PM EST Reply to CommentHey Drew, why isn't there a "don't like it" button for hitfix articles?
stormshadow4life
August 12, 2009 at 1:04PM EST Reply to CommentI can't say I agree with you on this one Drew. I see no problem at all with people getting angry with the state of movies these days. As much as you claim it doesn't, Box Office DOES matter. You're point that the movie is out already, so who cares how it does is flawed in my eyes. For one, if a type of movie bombs because it's not a big retarded mess like Transformers, that sends a message to hollywood; make more retarded movies, make less thoughtful ones. And secondly, sometimes movies are just begging for a sequel. I LOVED Speed Racer, apparently I was in the minority. Because it bombed, I'll never get a part 2. well, that's all I wanted to say.
Abacus Finch
August 12, 2009 at 1:13PM EST Reply to CommentI think Scott and Ebert are mostly correct, but their condescending tone only worsens the very problems they're pointing out. But it isn't just that movie audiences are younger. Its really a confluence of several factors. One unavoidable fact is that America is getting "dumber," to be blunt. Generally speaking, we are less intellectually curious and the sphere of what can be accepted as "common knowledge" continues to shrink. Nearly half don't know there are 2 senators from each state and 24% can't name the the nation we fought in the Revolutionary War.
And then you couple this with the fact that all the major studios are parts of large media conglomerates. Look, its show business. Even in the golden age, the bottom line mattered. I realize this. But I do think the studio suits having to answer to people who have no interest in movies or storytelling has an impact. As a result, bottom lines and stockholders become significantly more important and risks, less attractive.
Then we have the recession and wars and the increased need for escapism. Given these factors, I'm not at all surprised the current movie environment looks the way it does. And this isn't something one person or a group of voices can change quickly. Until large numbers of people demand more, we won't get it. But I also don't think this is permanent either. I'd just like to see the trend begin to swing back much much sooner than it likely will.
Lastly, I do not exempt myself from blame. I'm an avid film lover and yet I work in film marketing. And believe me: Hollywood thinks we're all morons. When I started out in studio marketing, my superior shared with me his marketing philosophy: "Find the lowest common denominator, and go lower."
Matt
August 12, 2009 at 1:39PM EST Reply to CommentI think you're mischaracterizing Ebert's piece a great deal, Drew. He goes on to examine the poor state of modern entertainment "journalism" and explore why younger film viewers seem unwilling to be exposed to quality films--and NONE of it is from a "get off my lawn" perspective or about how if they'd just LISTEN to him, we'd all be better off. I'm reading the other pieces you link now but I'm a bit disappointed you'd rip Ebert's opening sentences out of context like that.
Chad
August 12, 2009 at 1:51PM EST Reply to Comment"Once a film exists, I don't really care how it does"
But how it does greatly influences what films exist after that. You must see that.
Alboone
August 12, 2009 at 2:28PM EST Reply to CommentBoth viewpoints made by Glenn Kenny and Ebert are valid in my opinion. But I have to give more credence to Ebert. I see it almost every day. People are just growing more and more dumb by the hour. That's what you get when you live in a society that only consumes instead of making things like we used to do. Of course these things go in cycles but for now the writing is on the wall. And as far as movies are concerned, just take a listen to this podcast and I dare anyone to think otherwise... http://www.hollywoodsaloon.com/podcastEP38.html
August 12, 2009 at 2:31PM EST Reply to CommentHere is where the argument using The Hurt Locker as the bellwether ends...
Do you know how many ticket buyers it would roughly take today to make any film a $100m blockbuster?
13,422,819, or 4.47% of the US population.
At an average ticket price of $7.45, The Hurt Locker has been seen by roughly 1.23m people. 0.41% of the population.
That means that, despite all the acclaim The Hurt Locker has gotten from critics, and despite all the millions in marketing Summit has spent selling the film, 99.59% of the American population has yet to see the film.
That's more than just teens and twentysomethings.
That's practically everyone.
The lack of financial success of The Hurt Locker has everything to do with the general apathy towards the wars in the Middle East as a cinematic event at this stage in our history, and nothing to do with anything else.
And let me state right now... no matter how good The Green Zone may be, it too will be seen as a relative failure at the box office, even if it becomes the highest-grossing Middle East war movie to date. It'll do better than Hurt Locker but it'll be lucky to do United 93 numbers. Why? Because the public does not want Middle East war movies at this stage in our history. Grace is Gone? Home of the Brave? In the Valley or Elah? Lions for Lambs? Redacted? The Situation? Stop-Loss? All about the wars in the Middle East in some way, and all relative failures.
How so many intelligent movie writers can't see this is mind boggling.
Fred
August 12, 2009 at 2:49PM EST Reply to Commentso you're basically using hyperbole to fight hyperbole, good going.
Geoff
August 12, 2009 at 4:27PM EST Reply to CommentI don't think A.O. Scott was calling us all babies so much as saying that Hollywood industry in general has infantiled audiences so that it treats us all that way.
Matthew
August 12, 2009 at 5:11PM EST Reply to CommentTo be honest, I'm glad there are critics like Roger Ebert who are telling the truth with a sobering voice. Much of what constitutes mainstream entertainment today is vapid, shallow, one-dimensional and absent of any sort of depth.
Sorry, but GI Joe and Transformers 2 should be huge money grabbers only in a society that values stupidity. It's the cinematic equivalent of Cheez Whiz cheese food. Why SHOULD this kind of dreck be celebrated? Should we not rally against that which is superficial and dumb? I simply reject the argument that something is good just because "people like it." Why was The Wire cancelled on HBO while Entourage enjoys season after season of mindless drivel? Perhaps we can demand more for our entertainment and properly label garbage when we see it.
Young people today flock to films that offer little more than stereotypes, fart jokes, close-ups of women's asses and recycled plot formulas. Oh and by the way Drew, before you try to pigeonhole me into the group of "grumpy old critics" by dismissing their noble calls for higher quality entertainment with a condescending picture of a grimacing Clint Eastwood, keep in mind that I'm 25 years old.
This is what we've come to. I expected a lot more from you Drew. You laud something as brain-dead as GI Joe as "fun" and then turn around and bash critics who bemoan the lack of substance? I suppose it's part of that wonderful trend in recent times where we celebrate mediocrity and use the word "elite" as an insult. I used to work at a video store and the most common request from customers (the clientele was mostly college aged) was "I want something where I won't have to think too much." I would point them right to Transformers.
Forgive me if I don't champion films that offer nothing but explosions and poor writing. Forgive me again for not being outraged at two critics, Ebert and Scott, who set the bar a little higher than you. I don't always agree with Ebert and Scott, but I respect their taste and their minds, a concept foreign to the makers of GI Joe. Perhaps we can ask a little more of ourselves, challenge our brains a little more and cast aside childish pabulum like GI Joe in favor of higher quality entertainment. I think that is a far greater cause than crying foul on two critics who are saddened by how cheap, easy, disposable and stupid our entertainment has become. Ebert and Scott appear to have taken their stance and it's a shame that you find yourself on the other side Drew.
Mike Wurtzlebockerheimerstein
August 13, 2009 at 4:36AM EST Reply to CommentIn RE: to Drew's comment:
"If it doesn't matter, why are you reading it? Or commenting on it? What job is it that you do that matters so profoundly? If you do it with the attitude that it doesn't matter, then I'm willing to bet you're not terribly good at it. Of course I take all of this seriously. The day I don't, I quit."
I'll have you know I'm in charge of keeping President Obama's heart operating you presumptive bastard!
Well I kind of had to read it before finding out that it doesn't matter, first of all. You're a movie critic, not the Secretary of State. A little perspective is in order. I like your stuff but you come off as a very, VERY serious guy. I mean in an internet pissing contest about maturity a little levity would be nice. I'm waiting for you to slap Ebert in the face with your glove and challenge him to duel!
Come on, the man wasn't even thinking of you when he wrote that. Probably isn't even aware that you saw it early. You're just a little too itchy with the "personal attack!" trigger, is all. This isn't about you.
Docrailgun
August 13, 2009 at 8:08AM EST Reply to CommentMortiarty,
I think the critics are sad that people are willing to pay to see crap like "Transformers 2" and "G.I. Joe". I'm saddened by it myself because it encourages movie studios to buy up properties and "reinvent" them in stupid ways. We COULD be having more "District 9", but no... we get a "Transformers" sequal that has nothing to do with Transformers except names.
Don't be part of the problem, Moriarty.
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