Cannes Film Festival 2013

Today, 'Watchmen,' and 'Attack Of The Show'

HitFix's Drew McWeeny goes on G4's attack of the show to talk 'Watchmen'

<p>Olivia Munn, who licked disappointingly few things while taping today's episode of 'Attack of the Show'</p>

Olivia Munn, who licked disappointingly few things while taping today's episode of 'Attack of the Show'

Credit: G4

Well, if you'd like to see the appearance, you can.  It's ready to embed, and it's below for your viewing pleasure.  I can only ever watch about 11 seconds of myself on camera before I get up and run shrieking from the room, so I can't really discuss the appearance itself.  I'll say that the experience of doing this sort of thing remains just plain weird.  I like all the folks at G4.  Good group, and they've had me on frequently over the years to discuss things.  They even had me on to make the official announcement when I left Ain't It Cool to come work here at HitFix.  When they call, if I'm available, I work it out.  I like to help them if I can.

Honestly, when they called to ask if I wanted to come in to talk about "Watchmen," that's all I needed to hear.  Sure.  Happy to do it.  It was only when they sent over a fact sheet that I realized what I'd committed to.  I didn't realize David Poland was going to be on the show with me.  There was a moment where I reeeeeeeeeally debated not going.

[more after the jump]

I take great issue with the way David has categorized and portrayed my work over the years.  I think he's been openly untrue when writing about me, and no matter how many times I've corrected him on certain factual things, he continues to sell his manufactured rap on me because, at this point, that's what he does.  He's dug his heels in, and no matter what, he's never going to back off the things that make him wrong.  It's been so personal for so long that I have a real problem with civility.  There are only so many times you can shake it off when someone writes very personal, very direct attacks on you and your character.  And sure enough, I found it uncomfortable to a huge degree to have to sit and wait for the appearance with Poland, and then even to have to small talk afterwards.  Overall, while we were on the air, I think all of that sort of went away, and I focused on just engaging in the conversation with Kevin. 

 

 

A few points.

I have a hard time being patient with talk about box-office, especially on this film.  I don't care how much money the film makes, because there's no sequel.  There's no spin off.  There's no nothing.  This was it.  Big weird arthouse superhero movie.  And they made it.  So no matter what, the movie exists, and the other longer cuts exist, and so that's that.  What it earns would matter to me if I was getting a piece of it, or if I treated box-office like a statistic that means anything about either (A) the quality of a film or (B) people's affection for that film.  And it's not.  Box-office is about marketing and scheduling and luck.  That's it.  The quality of a film and how people feel about that film... that's time.  Only time can really shake out the way a film lives or dies, survives or fades.  Box-office doesn't mean anything, which is why I don't write about it and why I tune out most of what's written about it.  I understand it... but I don't care.

I hate film reviews or film reviewers that use the word "you" over and over in a review.  "You don't care about these people.  You don't care what happens to them.  You don't engage emotionally."  Really?  Is that an order?  Stop telling me what I'll feel.  Stop telling me that my reaction is a given.  It's not.  You may feel it is narcissistic to use the word "I" in a film review; I think it's the other way around.  I review a film by expressing what my experience with it is and what my understanding of it is.  Whether that's worth anything to you or not is up to you.  But when a reviewer uses "you" in a review, it's like they're telling you that they know better than you do, and here's how you should feel... or you're wrong.  It's obnoxious.

I love when people throw around numbers that they've decided are real, and there's just no budging them.  Talking about budgets is a sucker's game, because I guarantee you that unless you got a number from someone in the actual accounting department, someone with an eye on the actual final total, most of the numbers you hear people discuss are fiction.  I wish we'd had longer to get into it, because I'd love to hear David Poland tell me, for the record, what "Watchmen" cost.  And "Terminator Salvation."  And "Land of the Lost."  And "Transformers 2."  Because I guarantee his guesses, the numbers he'll use when writing all of his "journalism" for the rest of the year, will be the same exact creative fiction, based on the guesswork and gossip of others, as the numbers he'll attack and belittle when writing about his competitors.  David's "Watchmen" budgets of $150 million and up are fantasy-land.  Even before the film was a legal hassle, the costs were pretty tightly controlled on the film, and one of the reasons it took forever to get someone to pull the trigger is because every single dollar was negotiated and fought for.  The fact that people think this film cost $150 million or more is a good sign for Snyder, who has the ability to make his films look like they cost more than they do.  I don't write about budgets precisely because it's like counting sand grains in the desert.  Everything's in flux, and unless you have absolute control over those sand grains, it's just empty effort.

And finally, I don't believe the ultimate goal of all drama is to make me "care" about characters, and I don't think the only benchmark of success in a story or a narrative is whether or not I identify with the people I'm watching.  I don't care if I like anyone in a story... I just want to be interested.  Poland goes on and on about how "you don't care about anyone," but I still don't see how that's even an absolute negative.  So what?  I'm not really going to empathize with a godlike naked blue energy being, but I'm interested in him.  And that's enough.  When did every critic in America become a lame development executive giving notes?  "Can you try to make his arc more dramatic so he's more likable and we like him more?  Maybe have him do things people like.  That way they'll like him.  I'd like that."  Puh-leeeeze.

When Poland says that "Blade Runner" appealed to a lot more people than "Watchmen," it's a completely bizarre and incorrect thing to say.  At least "Watchmen" had a big first weekend.  "Blade Runner" was a movie that should have had that first big blast when it opened.  After all, here's Han Solo and Indiana Jones, in his first big SF adventure movie away from those series, right?  And... it turns out... it's a movie... about a mumbling guy with a bad haircut who lives in a city where it rains all the time and he gets his ass kicked by a bunch of girl robots for a while.  Then the bad guy dies.  The end.  And that didn't even open.  That movie stiffed from day one.  That summer, "Blade Runner" and "The Thing" both died.  Just belly up.  And I'm sure people could have written articles on those Monday mornings after release, slamming the films, damning the studios for the choices to make them, second-guessing the filmmakers.  I'm sure it would have been easy.  But it also reduces the entire conversation about film to a tally sheet.

And that's what I don't like.  At all.

So I don't think you can "win" an appearance like today's.  I just know that I managed to not yell at David, and I think I made my points clearly, and I'm pretty sure they said the name of the site a couple of times.  So mission accomplished.

 

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    Sam Can

    I agree with Drew completely about how "Watchmen" while especially enjoying his thoughts on using box office results as an indicator verses what passes as real film criticism today.

    March 10, 2009 at 12:44AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Dig Dug

    I had never heard of this David Poland fellow before watching the video, and I tried to give him a fair listen. Sorry, but none of his comments were particularly insightful or persuasive. I think it's no coincidence that critics who talk a lot about box office figures are often the least-informed about film history (where box office figures are mere footnotes).

    The whole segment would've been better if it had featured 100% Drew!

    March 10, 2009 at 1:01AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Cole

    Good showing Drew. Your thoughts were critical and sound and articulate in a very short time. Poland is looking for as many characters to play his nemesis as he can and it's best not to act in his theater (He, like many, would rather antagonize than be right - it's his lot in life). I would offer that The Shining is another good reference point -- beloved book, sharp treatment, some liberties taken, angry response from the author, etc. I would also offer that the characters are aloof in not just the Watchmen film but in the book. It's not a Cassavetes film after all - and Poland isn't the Siskel to your Ebert. Let him continue to be the pseudo intellectual carnie barker. Keep your keel and your Kael - it's what we continue to read you for.

    March 10, 2009 at 1:21AM EST Reply to Comment
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    darwinmayflower

    NICE WORK MORI!

    March 10, 2009 at 1:22AM EST Reply to Comment
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    BrianG

    I watched the Watchmen yesterday, without ever reading the source material, and avoiding previews and articles before it came out, and I loved it. I had no problem following what was going on, and was engaged for every one of its hundred and sixty-something minute run time.

    March 10, 2009 at 1:34AM EST Reply to Comment
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    coolhandjennie

    March 10, 2009 at 2:57AM EST Reply to Comment
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    coolhandjennie

    "Big weird arthouse superhero movie" -- that's exACTly the right description. THANK YOU, that's going to sound much better than the stuttering incoherence I currently offer up when asked about it.

    It's so nice to hear someone whose opinion I respect so much disregard box office as nonsense. I really hate it when people throw numbers around. Really, who gives a shit? I can memorize numbers off a website too, that doesn't make me insightful.

    WATCHMEN ROCKS!!!

    March 10, 2009 at 3:01AM EST Reply to Comment
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    moviemenace

    I still like to guess box office figures even though they have no barring on the qualities of a film. The way a movie opens is based on marketing, but not the entire box office run. The second weekend (typically) tells the story of how people feel about a film. I'm always curious of that; Why do people see the movies they do? For instance, "Taken" has had an incredible box office run. Why? It is not very good. There are certainly better movies in the same vein. But here is a middling actioneer that has somehow performed weekend after weekend. The reason box office interests me has more to do with trying to understand the casual moviegoer. What do they like? I know what I love, and wish the general public had the same excellent taste. If they had, "Snow Angels" would of had the box office run "Paul Blart" is enjoying.

    March 10, 2009 at 3:51AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Evil Dead Junkie

    "I can only ever watch about 11 seconds of myself on camera before I get up and run shrieking from the room."

    So I take it you never did get to watching my doc then huh?

    March 10, 2009 at 5:06AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Quint

    You did good, Drew! That was way more civilized than I anticipated... I know exactly that awkwardness you describe... I've sat in the same row as Poland in many festivals... it was fun the first time because he had no clue that I was with AICN, but after he found out I'd just catch half-glances and weird silences. Then the dude writes shitty things about me on his blog. Oh well. But well done! See you in a few days, yeah?

    March 10, 2009 at 6:06AM EST Reply to Comment
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    rabbit

    well,
    i got fixated on Watchmen's boxoffice simply because I was sad that the movie existed at all and devastated that it looked as bad as it did. i was able to take some solace in the fact that it seems to have been, in theatres at least, rejected by the movie going public. and i hope that executives take note of that and stay away from letting any more works of art being tackled by bone-heads in the future. but this movie still exists so, i loose in the end no matter what right?
    those of you who loved the movie, remember, it's out, it's here after all these years. don't worry about the box-office or people who hated it or whatever. you go what you wanted, and you'll have it forever. let us have our petty little temporary battle victory and savor the fact that you won the war.

    March 10, 2009 at 10:05AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Scudman

    Well done Drew, you contained your dislike of Poland extremely well! I have to agree with most of what he says (I do agree with you usually), this film really is polarising people. I do like it, but it isn't what I wanted to see really. Keep up the great Hitfix work, you're my favourite online critic and have been for years.

    March 10, 2009 at 10:29AM EST Reply to Comment
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    JoeK

    Who reads (or claims to have read) a book they "don't love" as many as 20 times (as Poland says he did)?

    And Poland's stock analyst breakdown near the end of what each studio will make essentially makes everything he said before irrelevant. This is a person that really doesn't cover movies because he likes them. He likes the idea of himself covering movies.

    The cadre of online movie journalists talking as much (or more)to and about each other as to their readers is annoying as hell too. Some of them don't realize how they are getting tuned out daily.

    March 10, 2009 at 10:30AM EST Reply to Comment
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    karcher151

    poland is a clown. all he does is take shots at the competition or what he perceives to be the competition. even if his facts are totally wrong.

    good job, drew. call out these clowns for their wrong analysis especially with budgets

    March 10, 2009 at 10:51AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Giant Fish

    I had never heard of Poland, but paid his site a visit after watching this debate. He writes unsubstantiated, uninteresting twaddle. I hope I never have to meet him. My sympathies, Drew. You're the third best film writer on the web, in my opinion, after Tim Lucas and Ebert.

    March 10, 2009 at 11:13AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Tennyson

    My congratulations, sirrah!

    March 10, 2009 at 12:21PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Tennyson

    My congratulations, sirrah!

    March 10, 2009 at 12:22PM EST Reply to Comment
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    washington

    Drew, you might be amused that Gamespot is now reporting that Ratner has added one more flick to the several million movies he's attached to direct. Supposedly he will be doing the film version of Sony's "God of War" game. It wasn't enough that he wants to ruin Conan, now he wants to take this potentially cool franchise and throw his stink on it as well.

    March 10, 2009 at 4:23PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Crom

    Great call on Poland sounding like a bitchy studio exec. "It's weird!" This guy is pretty much the anti-film reviewer. He hates being challenged in any way.

    March 10, 2009 at 7:46PM EST Reply to Comment
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    JoelGoddard

    There is no doubt Poland is a tool who shouldn't be reviewing movies and it's a shame they couldn't find anybody with half a brain cell to debate the other side with you since the film is complete garbage. Sounds like a lot of fanboys decided they liked it well before they saw it and are just happy any Watchmen film got made. Nevermind that the film and the filmmaker are a complete joke. Yeah, I'm sure in the lead up to the film everyone was hoping there would be a slow motion sex scene. Watchmen has forever been sodomized by Snyder and it's a shame that G4 couldn't have gotten somebody intelligent to sit across from you.

    March 10, 2009 at 8:31PM EST Reply to Comment

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