Review: 'The Twilight Saga: Eclipse' offers more energy, but still disappoints
Is being the best 'Twilight' film really something to be proud of?
Forget all this Team Jacob... Team Edward... how about we double-team Bella?
I think it really just comes down to one inescapable fact: I hate Bella Swan.
I suspect my real problems lie with Stephenie Meyer and Melissa Rosenberg, the novelist and screenwriter responsible for "The Twilight Saga," and, by extension, Bella Swan. But it does not change how completely I hate Bella Swan.
Bella Swan, for those of you fortunate enough not to be "Twilight" savvy at this point, is the main character in "The Twilight Saga." Kristen Stewart has become a superstar playing the character, although I'd argue we have yet to see any proof that her fanbase will follow her after the franchise is done. She is the teenage girl who finds herself torn between her affections for Jacob (Taylor Lautner), a Native American werewolf, and Edward (Robert Pattinson), a sparkly vampire. She is a rotten, rotten person as written, and the fact that the entire series just serves as an extension of her desires and goals has managed now to make me feel like a bad person just for sitting in the theater and watching her.
I never reviewed the first "Twilight" film. I didn't see it in any sort of timely manner. I did, however, review "New Moon" last year, and here's what I wrote about that film:
So if you're a "Twilight" fan and you already know you're going to go see "New Moon" this weekend 76 times, then don't bother reading the rest of this review. You know more about the characters and what you like about this series than I'll ever know, and my take on things probably isn't going to please you. I'll give the series another shot next year, and we'll talk again then.
Here we are. It's next year, and it's a new director, with David Slade stepping in for Chris Weitz, and I decided to walk in hoping for the same basic parts combined in a new way. I liked Slade's last vampire film, "30 Days Of Night," and even though it had some script issues, I thought it worked visually, and Danny Huston made a great creepy central presence. I hoped that he would pare the film down of all the silly telenovela tomfoolery and make something more propulsive. And for the last week or so, I've been hearing that this was the best of the bunch, so I think I even walked in with a bit of optimism.
Nope. Uh-uh. Don't believe it.
Sure, this film is staged with more energy than the previous one, but it is just as dramatically inert, and it is filled with just as many infuriating character decisions and just as much disturbing psychosexual subtext as "New Moon." And even more maddening, if you were to take the first scene of the film and the last scene of the film and set them side by side, cutting everything in between, there is no difference in where Edward and Bella find themselves. The entire film is just marking time between the second and the fourth films. There is no progression in the story, no progression in the characters, and nothing of import occurs. It is two hours of characters standing around so an audience can look at them, to no particular end.
"But, but, but, but, but Edward proposes! And Bella says yes!"
Here's where I have a problem. I don't care if they get married or not, because in this film, "get married" is just code for "now we can do it." Their marriage isn't about building something together or creating a family. Their marriage isn't about time they've spent together and time they want to spend together. It's all hormonal. It's all impulse. Bella Swan is defined as a character purely by who she wants to sleep with, and I don't care if she actually consummates the act or not. This movie is driven from start to finish by the real estate between her legs, and if that sounds blunt or harsh, good. I want it to sound ugly, because I think it is ugly. Deeply ugly. She's the weakest, most dependent lead in a film that I can imagine. There is nothing interesting about Bella aside from her desire for these two boys. It is a narcissistic teenage fantasy taken to a disturbing depth. Nothing in the world of these movies matters beyond the resolution of whether or not Bella is going to bone Edward. And when. And how. And whether she's going to bone Jacob as well.
There is talk of love, but there is nothing like love in these movies. These are not stories about love. They are stories about infatuation, temporary teenage madness. And, hey, man... I may be ancient at this point, but I remember what it's like when you're a teenager and everything feels so important, and I've seen films that get that frenzy just right and they still manage to feature real character work and stories that are interesting and actual events. You can make a great movie about the rush of teenage love. You can use it as a backdrop for all sorts of stories. But for that to be the thing that holds us as an audience, we have to believe that there's something behind it. I have yet to see anything in any of these movies that would connect these characters beyond narrative convenience.
Bella doesn't love these men because of things they have done together. Instead, everything they do together is because they "love" Bella. It's a pissing contest. And both of the guys are just as poorly defined and as grotesque as Bella in what they represent. Edward is her "dream man," and as depicted in the films, he's basically a control freak who treats her like an object to possess. He lies to her. He manipulates her. He is unable to tolerate her interacting with anyone else. Ladies... if you have a chance to marry a man who acts like Edward while you're dating, do it. And then you can look forward to broken bones and mysterious bruises and a slow and methodical separation from friends and family until you exist only for him. Which is obviously what you're looking for, right? Ooooh, romantic.
Or if Edward's love isn't the right kind for you, then maybe you can get lucky and earn yourself a Jacob. A guy who is hot enough that he knows you will love him, and if you don't, then it's just a matter of time. After all, look at his abs. He doesn't offer anything more substantial than Edward in terms of emotion or support, but he does have those abs. He's also got body heat, so obviously he is a better choice for Bella. He has one scene where he actually tells her that he has not imprinted on her as a mate, as is the way with his kind, but that doesn't matter. We're still supposed to believe that this is important, that this struggle over this pathetic, empty dishrag means something.
I love women. I love all sorts of women. And because I love real women, actual flesh and blood human being that happen to have a slightly different arrangement of chromosomes than I do, I despise these movies. I hate them for what they offer up as a value system. I hate them because there are girls who mistake their own chemical response to the male leads in the movie as an actual affection for the story that's being told. They invest on the surface level, and in the meantime, there is this poisonous cancer, this vile insidious message that's being sold to them underneath. I hate these movies because they tell girls that this is their value in the world. Who you bang defines you. You are worth your vagina and nothing more. You are who your man is. That is all.
And, yes... it matters. It matters precisely because these are giant blockbusters that will be seen by many, many people. It matters because much of the target audience is young and has very little experience with sussing out the subtext of what they're watching. We teach audiences to just sit and passively let experiences happen to them. Don't think about what you're watching... not really. We do not teach our students to really process the media they watch, and so when I see something as philosophically corrupt as this, and as sneaky about it, it angers me. It is true that this is slicker than the last film, but if anything, that bothers me more, because now people will think even less about what they're actually seeing. There's more action in this film than in "New Moon," but I think Meyer's lousy handle on horror tropes makes it all terribly uninteresting. Big phony CGI werewolves bounce around a meadow while sparkly vampires throw football tackles at each other and break like marble. That's the big action scene. That's what the entire film builds to, and it's pretty much over as soon as it begins. And it's all diversion anyway, since the real climax of the film consists of Bryce Dallas Howard wrasslin' with Robert Pattinson in the snow a bit. Because she's mad that he took away the dude who bones her. Another woman defined in this film entirely by who her man is or was. And what weapon does she use to try to build her vampire army?
If you guessed "her vagina," you are right. She manipulates a younger vampire by telling him how much she loves him, and based on what we see in the films, there's no difference between her "love" and the "love" that supposedly unites Bella and Edward or Bella and Jacob. It's all self-serving. It's all superficial.
When the face of ultimate evil is represented by the bland visage of Dakota Fanning, something has gone terribly wrong. She is hilariously miscast here, and I don't understand the mythology of this world at all. I know we met the Volturi in the last film, and they were represented by Michael Sheen and a bunch of folks dressed like The Human League. They gave Edward and Bella a command to do... something... and then they walked around in slow-motion. There's more of that in this film, and they stand on the sidelines and watch things for most of the movie, then show up after the fight and kill a little girl. And then they leave. Another perfect example of the dynamic plotting and sensational storytelling that has made Stephenie Meyer the hero of emotionally stunted people everywhere.
If there was anything about Bella that was noteworthy, I would ease up on this point, but there's not. She has no skills, no talents, no interests. She doesn't have any goals in life. She doesn't seem to attend school. She doesn't seem to have any plan for the future. She is a blank. You cannot tell me a story about a blank and ask me to invest in what I'm watching. You have to try. Kristen Stewart has gotten looser and more natural over the course of the series, but she's still not playing a character. She's just a slightly less annoying collection of tics and bad decisions here.
I want to make special mention of the most ridiculous scene in any of the three films so far, a sequence involving a tent, a snowstorm, and the worst three-way of all time. It is supposed to be a simmering moment of romantic and sexual tension that pays off all the build-up in the series so far, and instead, it serves as a demonstration of just how little the stakes of the series matter. Like everything else in the film, it's a conversation that goes nowhere, that resolves nothing, and that plays out as hollow tension with no purpose.
The film's special effects are positively state of the art for 1995, and the film's music supervisor obviously has some famous people's phone numbers.
I find myself in an interesting position as we face down the prospect of "The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn," because I like and respect Bill Condon as a filmmaker. I think he's got good taste. I think he's made really strong films so far as a director. I think he's worth paying attention to, and I think he's got a real taste for genre material that he hasn't really indulged since he went mainstream. He's a smart guy, a writer first, and I think he knows how to shape difficult material for the screen. And yet, I truly believe that "Twilight" is worthless as source material. I do not believe there is a filmmaker alive who could manage the impossible feat of creating a faithful adaptation of Meyer's book and also making a good movie. Going into the home stretch, I think this is one of the worst blockbuster franchises of all time, inept from start to finish, and getting worse as they go. There will come a time when we look back on these films and wonder what sort of mob insanity drove their success, and we will laugh and shake our heads and pretend they were never really that popular.
There will be a lot of people seeing these movies this weekend, and nothing I say will change that. But I dare you, as you sit there watching, to really think about what you're looking at. Don't just let this garbage slide across your corneas. Don't just let the parade of pretty faces go by.
Please... if you've found your way here, and if you're reading these words... then I have faith in you. You're better than "The Twilight Saga." We all are.
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Next 185 CommentsShadowMaker SdR
June 29, 2010 at 7:06AM EST Reply to CommentDrew, I was wondering. How do you feel a film like this where the girl can't make up her mind between two boys to have sex with is different from all those films where teenage boys (played by 20 somethings) are horny and looking for girls to have sex with? <br />Of course those usually end up with the guys learning a valuable lesson about true love, but what I was trying to say is: if Emma would've been a boy and the other guys would've been guys, would you still hate the story as much as you do now?
ShadowMaker SdR Of course 'guys would've been guys' should've read 'gúys would've been girls'
June 29, 2010 at 7:07AM ESTdrew I have this weird belief that we are worth more as people than where we stick our genitals, male or female.
June 29, 2010 at 7:11AM ESTBut in writing about this film, you have to deal with the gender politics that are presented, and for a film today in 2010 to once again sell the "girls are defined only by having a man" crap is reprehensible, especially when the girl is presented to be as worthless as Bella.
kylie I don't really think to comparison applies. Emma, whether you liked her or not, was a strong, intelligent and flawed female character who actually underwent fairly significant character development. I would have to agree with Drew that there has not been any real character development for Bella, and this goes for both the books and the movies.
August 7, 2010 at 5:32AM ESTPS: Drew, if you think nothing happens in Eclipse, wait till Breaking Dawn comes out! Spoiler- the whole thing is about preparing for this big battle, and then the time arrives, they stand around talking (a few people die) and then everything is resolved. I can't wait (yet also dread) seeing how they stretch this out into 2 movies!
June 29, 2010 at 7:24AM EST Reply to CommentGreat review Drew. I couldn't agree more. It scares me how little people think about the subtext when they read/watch this 'story'. Twilight is a step backwards for the mind of a female and it's damn dangerous because its all crafty 'sub-text'. I wish people would think a bit more when they watch these things.
chris
June 29, 2010 at 7:41AM EST Reply to CommentWhat review do you give movie like Transformers and other male oriented movies? They seem just as brainless and pointless to me. You have a kind of lecturing tone here that only a condescending, self-important guy would give to what you consider an inferior teenage girl. I doubt you had this same tone with some of the equally stupid male oriented movies. Just saying.
drew Go read my review of "Transformers 2."
June 29, 2010 at 7:52AM ESTChrissie I think this review is about more than how "brainless" or "pointless" this movie is. It's about how sad and subliminally dangerous it is. If a young teenage boy watches a Transformers movie, he's not being subjected to any negative messaging - just bad filmmaking, which is too bad but not a big deal in life. When a young teenage girl watches the Twilght films, she is being sold on some very bad concepts about self-image, love and sex, and that's the last thing they need to see. The fact that it's all another vampires and werewolves might make one hope that no one's taking it as a serious "how to" guide but the character of Bella is a "real" girl, and real girls in the audience may well identify with her. If they start to believe that the ideal of love is all about some powerful, physical attraction rather than actual emotional substance beyond saying "I love you" to some hot guy, or if they start to believe that the ultimate goal of teen relationships ought to be finding the best candidate to hook up with, then they are in big trouble when they have relationship decisions of their own to make in the real world.
June 29, 2010 at 8:00AM ESTdrew Yes. What Chrissie said.
June 29, 2010 at 8:02AM ESTFor the rest of the responses, my response will simply be, "Yes. What Chrissie said."
denean Sorry, drew. While I agree with Chrissie's overall point, to say that boys aren't subjected to negative messaging from Transformer 2, is simply false. If you set aside the subtext that hypermasculinity earns you a hot, scantily-clad girlfriend who shares none of your ambitions for higher education, it is still one of the most blatantly racist mainstream movies in many years. The twin Coonbots with their exaggerated features,crunk dialect, gold teeth and who can't READ are the worse racial caricatures I've seen since Song of the South. When many young white boys already call each other the n word with out irony and believe the breadth of black culture can be encapsulated in a rap song, to say depictions like the Sambots is just bad filmmaking rather than harmful stereotypes that serve to further distort views of POC, is disingenuous at best. Michael Bay deserves our disdain as much as Stephenie Meyer.
July 1, 2010 at 1:05PM ESTNIck
June 29, 2010 at 8:06AM EST Reply to CommentEvery guy pretty much hates transformers 2, why? Cause it is a bad movie!! <br />And I had hope for eclipse as well, but this review does not bode well for what is to come.
ShadowMaker SdR
June 29, 2010 at 8:16AM EST Reply to CommentAll very good points. I see what you mean now. <br />'Gone with the wind' this is not. <br />
drew Yeah, I have no problem with bubblegum stuff that is made for girls. But I think this deserves further inspection, and I feel what you find if you look close is rotten.
June 29, 2010 at 8:25AM EST
Hollywood (well, American Media in *general*) seems to have a real problem making popular popcorn entertainment for girls that doesn't reinforce Eisenhower-Era gender stereotypes at some level - if not (as in the case of Meyer's books) worse.
June 29, 2010 at 9:19PM ESTDisney took Megan Cabot's The Princess Diaries series, about a environmentalist, feminist teen reluctantly dragooned by her Grand Dame Gorgon of a Grandma and blanks-firing Prince Father into becoming "suitable" to be the figurehead monarch of a postage stamp country - and turned it into a "Princess fantasy" with Julie Andrews as her "sparkly" aunt and a conveniently dead father, suitable for Barbie Dolls of all ages! Worse, how many tween/teen television shows featuring female protagonists are there where the girls are consistently effective heroes, even in their own circle of friends let alone in the outside world - and how many are there where they're adorably ditzy pop stars/Internet stars/television sitcom stars (the non-monarchical version of "princesses")? Outside of BUFFY, THE VAMPIRE SLAYER or XENA, WARRIOR PRINCESS (both of which went off the air some years ago), I can't think of anything else offhand.
Rozainaziara
June 29, 2010 at 8:18AM EST Reply to CommentAnyone read the Anita Blake, Vampire Hunter books? Sexual fantasies with supernatural trappings and not much else. There's a woman torn between a vampire and a werewolf there, too. These Twilight books and movies sound like the same thing, only for people who are afraid of sex.
Jamie While the Anita Blake books have to a large extent degenerated into kinky sex fantasies, the first half dozen or so featured a character who was strong and interesting, with plenty of internal conflicts (she's Christian and raises zombies/ assassinates the living dead!) and no sex life (lots of hot guys, but Anita wasn't ready).
June 29, 2010 at 8:48AM ESTBella, on the other hand, is a cypher written on a white board. Girls don't admire her and want to be her or be like her, they can erase her and write themselves into her place without worrying about whether they have the type of personality or character Edward/Jacob would want in a lover/girlfriend.
Interesting and thoughtful review, Drew.
Tanj
June 29, 2010 at 8:30AM EST Reply to CommentI agree with your assessment of the character of Bella as vacuous and irritating. I'm no feminist, but I think Meyer has regrettably reversed the most noteworthy achievements of feminism. In her portrayal of Bella, she makes the female race seem incapable of surviving without idealised superficial romantic relationships. The series has reduced young women into passive vessels who are encouraged to succumb to a manic obsession ostensibly symptomatic of 'first love' (or rather lust/infatuation). Bella is a terrible role model for the teenage girls of today and her dependence on the two men is pathetic and unhealthy. I am not averse to the fantasy genre, but both Bella's relationships with Jacob and Edward appear so far removed from reality that I find it difficult (even as someone who has experienced love) to relate to the characters. I am quite convinced that Twilight's transition from a little known American cult series to a pop cultural phenomenon can be largely attributed to the fortuitous casting of Robert Pattinson as Edward Cullen (because let's face it, the franchise would not have been marketable without ample eye candy). As far as I can tell, the sparklyness of Edward Cullen seems to be the sole magnetic appeal of the Twilight saga and will continue be in the foreseeable future.
Tanj In short, thanks for a wonderfully critical and interesting review! :)
June 29, 2010 at 9:05AM ESTmaggiesox The female race? Really?
June 29, 2010 at 9:11AM ESTTanj While I applaud you for taking the time to nitpick my comment for grammatical errors, getting bogged down in semantics detracts from the overarching point that I was trying to make.
June 30, 2010 at 4:54AM ESTJoriWinter Actually, the series was very popular before RPattz was cast, and there were no few comments along the lines of "i didnt think he was hot before, but not that he's been cast as Edward, i'm ttlly crushing lol!!1!"
July 3, 2010 at 12:02AM ESTWith about a third of the books' prose being devoted to JUST how attractive he (and his family) happens to be, fans don't need a real face to identify, just a sparkly mess of generic (but unique!) hotness.
Stormshadow4life
June 29, 2010 at 9:02AM EST Reply to CommentHaven't read any of the other comments, but.... "And yet, I truly believe that "Twilight" is worthless as source material. I do not believe there is a filmmaker alive who could manage the impossible feat of creating a faithful adaptation of Meyer's book and also making a good movie. "<br /><br />Unless you've read the books Drew, that is just a ridiculous statement to make. I 100% agree that these movies have been horrible....but there's enough in the books where a "talented" person could make a great movie
Sebilrazen I still think the 4th movie can be salvaged if they go for an R rating, C-section via teeth?
June 29, 2010 at 2:37PM EST
The whole point of the series thus far has been based on shallow, carnal, and co-dependent emotional manipulation played off as "true love", does that magically change in the upcoming books?
July 9, 2010 at 8:44PM ESTDraven-UK
June 29, 2010 at 9:14AM EST Reply to CommentI haven't read the books and have only seen the first movie, which I thought was utterly average and instantly forgettable. Now, I'm not a hater so am not gonna bad mouth something lots of people love seeing as how I have no real insight in to it. But it does worry me that if what Drew says about these films is true then young girls everywhere are being sold a pretty vile message about their lives and futures. A good friend of mine, a tough, smart, sassy woman in her mid-thirties, is currently plowing through these books and is loving them. She hasn't yet seen any of the films. So perhaps there is more to the books than there is to the films. If not, then her reaction and that of millions of other women and young girls is kinda worrying.
JoriWinter Sorry to say, the books are worse. Remember, movies have to cut out a lot of material to fit into two hours...
July 3, 2010 at 12:04AM ESTJulie
June 29, 2010 at 9:15AM EST Reply to CommentThank you for this wonderful review. I'm taking my two daughters, reluctantly, to the midnight showing of this movie tonight, and to tell the truth, I'm not looking forward to it. You've hit the nail on the head in what is the flaw in this whole series of books: the fact that Bella Swan is such a horrible role model for young teenage girls. My daughter brought the set of books home back in 2008, before the first movie came out, and I read them. I must admit, I did admire the first book simply because I could see the appeal it had to a certain type of girl: the type who sits at home dateless waiting for a guy like Edward to come into her life. And I thought that Stephenie Meyer was brilliant to write a book aimed at that type of audience, a sure money getter. But as I read the second book, I was horrified. Here is Bella, left by Edward, who becomes nothing...she can't pull herself together because her boyfriend leaves,so she becomes nothing...until she starts hanging around with another boy. And again she falls apart when that boy leaves her. And it gets worse in Eclipse, at one point Edward in the book actually tells Jacob that Bella needs to be looked after. The girl has no life outside of what she is when she is with one of the boys. Edward is so controlling, and his relationship with Bella is so...I don't have the words for it, but he tells her what to do, tells her who she can see and where she can go, and in the books, when Bella sneaks away to see Jacob she is scared of seeing Edward afterwards. He has this overpowering effect on her. And when she does want some concessions from Edward, she tries to seduce him, and dangles sex as a bait. When my youngest who is Team Edward tells me she wants a boyfriend like Edward Cullen, and my older daughter tells me she's Team Jacob because the wolf boys have killer abs, I cringe. And, I sit down with them patiently and go over once again why these characters are such poor role models. I wish I'd known about these books before my daughter brought them home, I wouldn't have let them in the house. I can only hope that in their cases, it's more that one likes Robert Pattinson, and the other likes Taylor Lautner, and it doesn't go deeper than that. But, like those subliminal messages they used to put in ads, I'm afraid for a generation of girls watching these movies that are pretty on the outside, but carry a disturbing message underneath the nice trappings.
I completely agree with you! I love the first book. But when Bella completely falls apart after Edward leaves her, I couldn't understand that at all. Where was the strong girl who went to face her death in the first book?
June 29, 2010 at 2:26PM ESTThere is a part, I think in the third book, where Bella's mom comments on the fact that whenever Edward moves Bella shifts: like he's the sun and she's a planet. Something like that... What a horrible image to send out.
Julie, I'm also an adult who read the books, pretty much because they were available at the library. Your comments mimic my feelings pretty much all the way through. I didn't even feel that positive about the first book. I think I read all the way through the series with the hope that Bella actually grows as a person. No such luck, she remained as stunted as she was at the beginning. Such a whiner!
June 29, 2010 at 2:27PM ESTPerfect review, Drew!
mss
June 29, 2010 at 9:17AM EST Reply to Commentthis article is just like a pool of wisdom or whatever
colonel_lugz
June 29, 2010 at 9:37AM EST Reply to CommentWrite a comment...
jess
June 29, 2010 at 9:38AM EST Reply to CommentWow, I could not agree more. I read the books when I was in high school, before they were such a big deal, and I enjoyed them on a mindless level. We all need a little mindless reading/moviegoing now and then. But I'm 20 now and watching these young girls freak out over the series worries me a little. Bella is defined by the men in her life and thinks that's perfectly OK. She has no ambition besides turning into a vampire and sleeping with Edward. Who is controlling and overprotective, which she seems to think is "perfect". Nobody's perfect. I gave Jacob a little more leeway in the books because he's 16. What guy doesn't think he's the hottest thing ever at 16? Regardless, these movies should be viewed as mindless entertainment, and girls are seeing them differently, which isn't good.
colonel_lugz
June 29, 2010 at 9:42AM EST Reply to CommentGreat review/warning to the general public. The real fun is trying to explain to Twilight fans just how subliminaly morally corrupt and inertly dangerous these films are. They refuse/fail to understand what's really going into their heads. It terrifies me that generation of young women are using these films as a moral compass and belief system for relationships<br /><br />The only time I have watched any of the Twilight gilms is when they've been accompanied by Riff Trax, then it's worth the 2 hours
The thing that bugs me most about Twilight is it essentially rips off the vastly superior Buffy the Vampire Slayer TV show, but with one exception. Meyer had eliminated all the feminist female empowerment message Joss Whedon wove into Buffy. The Twilight series has been vastly more successful (by "successful" I mean it's made a lot more money) than Buffy. Does that mean that's what the audience want? Not a story about women being powerful but one of women being doormats who need men to save them? It bothers me that women are still, STILL in this day and age raising their daughters to believe this nonsense.
June 29, 2010 at 12:39PM ESTJoeK
June 29, 2010 at 9:48AM EST Reply to CommentI haven't seen a single frame of any of these movies so I can't really slag on them but here is my take from afar:<br /><br />Despite the gargantuan money on the line and the stakeholders belief they are making a more overtly female Harry Potter or something they just aren't. To me these books occupy the same mental space as stacks of Young Readers paperbacks in the bookstore. It's like Babysitter's Club on steroids or Judy Blume or something to me. This is reinforced by most of what I've read about the author and her background. Doesn't make it unworthy but the stakeholders belief that they are driving a female LOTR bus is patently absurd.<br /><br />All of that acknowledged I'd still be interested in a supernatural setting like the one here but the movies look irredeemably cheap - especially considering how much money there is now involved in the machinery. Combine a prevailing view like the one Drew expounds here with such a cynical approach to production and the producers/filmmakers deserve to have people stay away.<br /><br />I've also been wondering of late since I'm so not part of this "phenomenon" (and neither is my wife though she has girlfriends that are complete morons for it and she says so) I wonder if this is how uninitiated types look at things like LOTR and Star Wars fandom and the like. I suppose it's unavoidable that some would and maybe this is a distinctly impenetrable thing to a male observer but I certainly hope not.
jemiah Jefferson You shouldn't include Judy Blume as part of the genre of fluffy young reader claptrap - Blume's books are actually heartfelt and populated with rich, flawed, well-rounded human characters.
July 7, 2010 at 12:50PM ESTLinda
June 29, 2010 at 10:08AM EST Reply to CommentI have to say, I find it very odd that Drew would be accused of being somehow antifeminist for slagging this movie, in the sense that he considers women's chosen fluff less desirable than men's chosen fluff and is therefore talking down to women.<br /><br />You could take any normal movie, put it at the top of a ladder, put the ladder on top of a building, put that building on top of another building, put those two buildings on top of the shoulders of Yao Ming, and put Yao Ming on the back of a pony grown freakishly oversized as a result of a nuclear accident, and that movie STILL could not talk down to women one-tenth as much as "Twilight" does.
JackWyner
June 29, 2010 at 10:21AM EST Reply to CommentImpressive review, especially considering the ads and many Twilight-related articles on this site, which I thoroughly understand running. People are fascinated by these extremely sub-par movies and you are filling their need for the latest news on them, as well you should. But then when the time comes to offer your true opinions, you do not back down. That is what I love about this site and about you as a reviewer. Bravo.<br /><br />As for your take on this, I agree with you, having seen the last two movies and not read the books. I have a feeling there is something in the novels, at least decent story telling going on, since people who's opinions I respect have said the books are actually quite good. But none of that seems to translate to the screen. Perhaps these could have been good, but they simply aren't and I have no desire to see this.<br /><br />Sadly, the people that will see it are going to have this terrible message delivered to them. You, as a woman, are defined by who you choose to sleep with. And women should idealize a centuries old, manipulative, half-awake horny jack-ass and tease then dismiss a halfway decent kid that seems to really like you for who you are.<br /><br />Can't wait for those other two to come out so this can be over.
Keri Have you read the books or seen the movies? How could you describe Jacob as "a halfway decent kid" since he assaulted Bella and never understands that kissing her against her will is assault. He evens gets a pat on the back and "atta boy" from Bella's father. Bella never teased Jacob, she was always telling him that they were just friends and he couldn't take no for an answer. That's not "a halfway decent kid" in my books. (And being only 16 is not an excuse either.)
July 1, 2010 at 2:40PM ESTKate Team Edward much, Keri?
July 1, 2010 at 7:10PM ESTKeri Oh, Kate! There are flaws with Edward too but Jack doesn't seem to need me to point those out. I think I hit a nerve though...Team Jacob much, Kate?
July 2, 2010 at 8:25PM ESTdwrght007
June 29, 2010 at 10:22AM EST Reply to CommentWOW, that was some rant! If I could give you a standing ovation, I would! I hope you feel better after getting all that out, dude. You've said exactly what I've thought for a long time, but you said it better than I ever could have. :)
Guest
June 29, 2010 at 11:00AM EST Reply to CommentI...love...you...man!!!<br />This review was pure brilliance from start to finish.
Jasmin Completely disagree, he obviously has not even read the book.
July 1, 2010 at 5:28PM ESTRio Jasmin, what matters is that people are seeing the movies more than the books and this message is being sent to them. The movies are definitely more popular then the books.
July 16, 2010 at 10:14PM EST
June 29, 2010 at 11:03AM EST Reply to CommentThank you so much. I've been trying to explain this to people but don't have your command of language. Are you single I think I have a crush?
Lauren
June 29, 2010 at 11:10AM EST Reply to CommentDrew,<br /><br />I'm a fan of the books...I can tell you that I read them all really fast and Eclipse was my favorite and I'm hoping the movie will be the best as well.<br /><br />That aside, your review totally makes sense haha. I laughed the whole time because you're right. Deep in my mind though, lately, I have been bothered by the fact that Bella is going to exist only for Edward, and see the rest of her loved ones die. Just like Edward mentioned in the trailer...Weird. Thanks for posting! I'm not going to change my mind and just hate Twilight, but it definitely brings a new side to this. Good job.
Lauren
June 29, 2010 at 11:10AM EST Reply to CommentDrew, <br /> <br />I'm a fan of the books...I can tell you that I read them all really fast and Eclipse was my favorite and I'm hoping the movie will be the best as well. <br /> <br />That aside, your review totally makes sense haha. I laughed the whole time because you're right. Deep in my mind though, lately, I have been bothered by the fact that Bella is going to exist only for Edward, and see the rest of her loved ones die. Just like Edward mentioned in the trailer...Weird. Thanks for posting! I'm not going to change my mind and just hate Twilight, but it definitely brings a new side to this. Good job.
daggor
June 29, 2010 at 11:19AM EST Reply to CommentMost important point? This weekend, go see Toy Story 3 if you haven't. If you have, you probably want to see it again, as I do. Let the world know that we like good films.
June 29, 2010 at 11:22AM EST Reply to CommentI'm sorry, is this a movie review? or just a platform for personal hate of a movie and its actors? So unprofessional.
Rich You are missing the point. These are horrible films. Amateurish at best. The books are trash. The franchise created horrible role models for not only young girls and women but boys as well. Re-read the review with an open mind.
June 29, 2010 at 1:45PM ESTRich I would also make the argument that reviewers have an ethical responsibility to expose how reprehensible movies like this are.
June 29, 2010 at 1:46PM EST
Laura, would you say the same if he trashed a movie you HATED - like a liberal documentary, say...?
June 29, 2010 at 8:48PM ESTdrew Laura...
June 29, 2010 at 8:56PM ESTThis is definitely a movie review. I don't have any hate for the actors, as a look at my reviews of "Adventureland" or "Remember Me" would confirm.
But the movie? You're right. I hate this movie. Because I saw it, and because I was open-minded, and because it is dangerous, evil, woman-hating garbage.
Just because you don't like what a review says doesn't mean it's unprofessional.
DAGOBAH And I don't believe there were any negative comments on the actors themselves anyway, it's the characters they're playing.
June 29, 2010 at 10:10PM ESTAnd he clearly hates the characters.
Drew actually pays Kristen a comment: "Kristen Stewart has gotten looser and more natural over the course of the series"
Twihard rebuttal - fail
Draven-UK Yes, this is a well written and well considered review of a film, its story, its themes and the message it is sending out. I have no idea if it is accurate as I haven't seen the film but it is Drew's opinion based upon what he watched. A film review is essentially an opinion. You or I may disagree (I probably won't) but it is still valid - especially when it has been as deeply considered as this one has.
June 30, 2010 at 10:25AM EST
Sorry, but Laura is right. Aside from maybe the four statements in the article that are review material, the rest belongs in an ethics lecture.
June 30, 2010 at 7:51PM ESTJustme
June 29, 2010 at 11:23AM EST Reply to CommentWhen I was a teenager I was never influenced by anything in the world, I always loved movies and watched every single film, never cared about if it was not for my age, I was lucky to have good parents who taught me to separate fantasy from real life, to decide, to be myself. It helped me a lot. I'll be in the movie theater like every saturday and sunday and sure I'll be watching this film, and I'll take just the way it is: "fantasy". If many people think this film is bad for teens, I think it's time for them to talk to their children and develope a good relationship with them, explaining what things are good and what are bad, from this film, from everything in life. Prohibiting something is making somethind more tempting. Parents should be aware to what their children do, and be ready to advise them. <br />and finally I apologize for my writing skills since English is not my native language.
cr8dv8
June 29, 2010 at 11:35AM EST Reply to CommentNot even looking to get into the whole subtext about the unhealthy relationships and all that jazz, cuz honestly, I don't care enough about these movies (or the books) to talk that seriously about them.<br /><br />Just wanted to comment - every reason you loathe these movies is why they're popular. So, really, I can't remotely fathom why you were even think that you could walk into them with any sort of high hopes.
ash
June 29, 2010 at 11:43AM EST Reply to CommentThank you, Drew. This is an excellent review. And you are absolutely right about everything.
June 29, 2010 at 11:48AM EST Reply to CommentYou took the words right out of mu=y mouth. Twilight is a disgrace to literature. Those books should be thrown in a fire.
I wouldn't go THAT far, Nipo.
June 29, 2010 at 9:24PM ESTI'd just hand the girls who are swooning over Meyers's work something less disgraceful and contemptuous towards women - like *hentai*, say.... >:)
c
June 29, 2010 at 12:00PM EST Reply to CommentWhile I understand the myriad points you make in your review, your tone implies an inherent lack of faith in audience intelligence and reflects the response of an injured party who wants everyone else to understand his pain. My contention with your review is simply that I think most people know Twilight is a joke. that is no secret. Also, the audience, who you fear this fluffy harlequin writ big will damage, will grow out of this stage and be ashamed of it just like they do with boy bands and twitter accounts. The message behind twilight is indeed the stuff of trashy soaps and romance novels, yet it is no different--as many commenters have noted--than the power fantasies of superhero flicks, soldier movies and martial arts films, where worth is determined by who you beat up, dismember or kill. If that same stance can't be applied to a female version of 'fantasy' then none of us are any better than fanboys who claim that there passions are superior simply because its theirs. Twilight movies, like True Blood, Interview with the Vamp, and even Blade movies, are fantasy that, at best, tangentially reflect reality. If audiences can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality than we have a problem, but somehow I doubt that the average teen female viewer is really pondering giving her virginity to a vampire or werewolf. Unless you know something, we don't.
OhC'mon c -
June 29, 2010 at 12:45PM EST1. You think that Drew is underestimating the intelligence of the audience? Maybe not; you claim that "most people know Twilight is a joke", but I don't think the core audience has gotten that memo. They really do have a fierce interest in and loyalty to this series of subpar movies and its ridiculous characters, so perhaps his assessment of their intelligence (or lack thereof) is spot on.
2. Yes, the fans will eventually gorw up and may well disown the Twilight saga later in life. But for those who are living for it right now, please don't underestimate the effects it could realistically have on them, especially the girls in the audience. You're correct that male-centric films, with the fantasy being badass dominance as opposed to romantic nirvana, are basically the same sort of thing. Doesn't mean either of them are a good thing. Both can - and do - give impressionable kids a twisted perspective about what they should value or aspire to. Film is entertainment above all else and no filmmaker is obligated to embrace good morals or messages in their work. But it's perfectly fair and necessary for people to be dismayed when they see something with such a negative message being propelled into the hearts of so many young kids, and Drew's review is particularly articulate about why it's so troubling. Like it or not, he's absolutely right.
3. I'm sure the kids who watch the Twilight films aren't in the least bit confused about whether it's fantasy or reality, and that no female fans are out there believing that they'll find a vampire or werewolf to hook up with one day. But the dynamic shown in these relationships is all too real. Regular mortals have these lopsided relationships all the time, in which one partner tries to dominate and control the other, or treat their partner like a mere possession or sexual object. And far too many actual mortals become passive victims of emotionally - and sometimes physically - abusive behavior. To romanticize this sort of thing and to make it look acceptable or desirable to an audience of predominantly younger viewers is extremely uncool, especially in this day and age where we read so often about the sad results of teen bullying, obssessive online or real life stalking, etc. There's enough dysfunctional crap out there for our kids to contend with as it is, and it's already tough for parents to help kids navigate through it. To actually sell this stuff as normal is simply pathetic and so very counterproductive to kids everywhere.
vocalise
June 29, 2010 at 12:19PM EST Reply to CommentThat was a wonderful review Drew. I sent it along to a couple of my friends. I listened (audio book) and read the first book, watched the first movie out of curiosity. Honestly, I don't think there's anything in the books that aren't in the movies. More detail perhaps, but the books are just as vapid as the movies. They are horrible, and I find it sad that teenage girls look up to Bella. I completely agree with your characterization of her. There is nothing redeeming about her. I didn't like her, immediately. Even the friends she made in the high school, she didn't really like, and seemed to want to get away whenever they were around. She has no personality. Doesn't seem to care much about leaving her family behind to become a vampire. Why in names would girls find Bella as a role model in hopes of getting their own Edward and Jacob is beyond me. I try to remember if I liked similar books when I was in high school - probably, but I can't remember one book that seemed to go on and on and on about how beautiful the guy they "love" is. I started reading Eclipse, and there, she also goes on and on about Edward too. I mean, really? Can we stop with using all sorts of adjectives to describe a face? So no, I don't think the source material is any better than the movies, and I wish fans were more addicted with some character that is more worthy of a potato than Bella is. Thanks again for a well thought out, well written review.
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