The Bigger Picture: What happens when we find 'The Line' as viewers?
A viewing of a post-apocalyptic exploitation film sets off an unexpected reaction
The brutal rape of Lisbeth Salander is one of the key scenes in 'The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo,' but what do we lose or gain from the nonstop depiction of such an act in our culture?
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This was originally supposed to be a review of the Xavier Gens film "The Divide."
That will not be happening.
Over the course of my life, I'd wager I've seen at least 10,000 movies. Maybe more. I've had years where I've mainlined as many as 500 movies, many of them older catalog titles. I have a voracious appetite for all types of movies, both high art and low. I love smart sophisticated movies, I love experimental films, and I love genre junk. I love any movie that offers me a genuine experience of some sort, where there's something that moves me or that I recognize as true and well-observed or where someone just plain surprises me. I am open to pretty much anything when I sit down to a new film.
But at the age of 41, at about 94 minutes into "The Divide," I reached a breaking point, and I realized that I am pretty much incapable of sitting through one more cheap, pointless, exploitative rape in a movie.
This is something that's been bothering me for a while, and I think it's a bigger problem than the film community would like to admit. It seems to me that somewhere along the way, it was decided that the easiest way to make an audience uncomfortable was to have someone rape a character onscreen. I must see 30 films a year where somebody needs to have "something bad" happen, and the go-to impulse in almost every case is rape. It is guaranteed to cause a visceral reaction, even when the scenes are badly staged and lazy, which most of them are.
What scares me most about it is that the vast majority of the scenes are directed so poorly that they become, in essence, titillation, and there is something immeasurably sick about including a scene in your film that involves rape just so you can sneak a little nudity into the movie.
I'm not a big fan of Stieg Larsson's "The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo," and one of the things that has bothered me about it since I read the first book is the rape of Lisbeth Salander, as well as her eventual revenge of the guy who did it. There is certainly an element of wish fulfillment to what she does to the guy, and in every version of the story, whether it's the book or the Swedish film or Fincher's version, it's played as a "You go, girl!" moment when she turns the tables. Larsson's original title for his book was, famously, "Men Who Hate Women," and that certainly puts a blunt thematic point on what Larsson intended to say with his story.
The problem I have is that Lisbeth is portrayed as fairly close to superheroic in the rest of the trilogy, but in that one moment, she's overpowered and humiliated merely so we get that "You go, girl!" moment later. There's no larger statement the sequence makes. There's no throughline in the rest of the series about Lisbeth and her sexual history. There's nothing that connects those two scenes, the set-up and pay-off, to anything else in the story. They are there so that (A) we see Lisbeth humiliated and (B) we see her pay the guy back. And it feels to me like one of the cheapest, most transparent bit of plot mechanics, and if Larsson had really pushed himself, I have no doubt he could have accomplished the same goals without including a rape.
But rape is easy. And so it goes.
I can't even imagine directing a scene like that. I'd say in my life, I've seen maybe a dozen movies where they've featured a scene like that and it is 100% thematically relevant to the film as a whole and essential to the important point that the filmmaker is making. The "best" example of that is the shattering, awful "Irreversible." I think Gaspar Noe is a gifted artist, and his film is about how there is no way to rebuild a world after something that horrible. His film gives due weight to just how profound an event that is, and what changes afterwards. The structure of his film is especially heartbreaking because of the way he tells the entire story in reverse, holding off the worst detail of the entire thing until the very, very end, and when I saw the film, the one time I think I'll ever see the film, it broke my heart as if it had actually happened to someone I know. It's so skillfully built that it registered. It got through all of the film technique and all of the exploitation crap I've seen and it hit me in a very personal place. It made me feel that loss in a way that few films have, and I deeply respect it even if I never ever want to see it again.
I have no idea how the scene in "The Divide" plays out. It's frozen on my screen right now, where it's been paused for the last hour or so, and I have no intention of finishing the movie. So far, all the film has said to me thematically in the first ninety minutes is "When the world ends, and when people are put together in a high-stress situation, they'll probably be really shitty to each other." Well, bravo, Xavier Gens, on your blinding insight. You and about a bazillion other filmmakers have made that point, and it's numbing to see how closely you all structure your rape or near-rape sequences. You push your actress, you brutalize the character, and you have a couple of actors play the absolute worst of humanity turned up to "cartoon," and it means nothing. It is empty shock. It is without effect because of just how hollow a gesture it is. How can you justify asking an actress to bare herself both physically and emotionally for something as grimy as that without any real point to the scene? It can't just be one more item on a checklist of atrocity. If that's what you're doing, then ask yourself why. What do you think any audience will get out of that? Are you doing it to horrify them, or do you feel like that's what the audience wants and you need to give it to them? And if that's the case, do you really want to feed that appetite?
I think it is absolutely the responsibility of an artist to look into darkness without blinking. I think it is important that we talk about morality and character and the way we dehumanize one another. But I also think the point has been more than made on film that rape is a terrible thing, and at this point, if you're not contributing some new idea to the conversation, then you are literally just using it as a button, something you push to get a response, and that unnerves me.
If I had to pinpoint what bothers me most about the subject, though, it's that our ratings system in this country is so broken that a film that contains a sustained, brutal rape sequence featuring full-frontal female nudity can breeze right through with an R-rating, but if you include a sequence in which two people engage in spirited, consensual sex and we see anything that resembles reality, you are automatically flirting with an NC-17 or going out unrated. We have created a code of film language in which the single most destructive act of sexual violence is perfect acceptable to depict in the most graphic, clinical detail, but actual love-making has been all but banished from mainstream film. There's no "almost" about it; it is disturbing on a philosophical level to realize how backwards the system is right now, and I think one of the reasons many filmmakers will include a rape scene is so they can get some nudity into their movie, and the context doesn't matter to them.
It matters to me, though, and instead of repeat exposure desensitizing me to it, it's done the opposite. I'm more upset by it now than I was when I first saw it used in movies. You want to know something that really bothers me? I don't remember the first time I saw it in a movie. I know I didn't see "The Road Warrior" until 1982, and that has a pretty awful early moment that is quick but graphic, and Mel Gibson's reaction to it is to turn away, unable to look. This is the same dude we've seen f some mf'ers up by that point, without even blinking an eye. Max is out of his mind. But that? He can't watch, and so we don't either after that first awful glance. It's really well-directed by Miller.
Absolutely essential? Probably not. But my reaction is that he's a very moral filmmaker, a guy whose movies are absolutely about exploring the things that test our character and how we respond, and so I don't have an issue with "The Road Warrior." I don't have an issue with any filmmaker, frankly, whose films works. My point isn't that it's something NO ONE SHOULD EVER TRY TO FILM, because there's no way I'd ever suggest that. I am not the arbiter of the world's taste.
What I'm talking about is the idea that this imagery is commonplace, devalued in a world where you've got terrible violence, much of it sexual, raining down on young women in the "Law & Order"s and the "CSI"s. So much awful sexual violence has already been done by the time the opening credits roll on those shows that it ultimately loses its impact. This is also why I object to the word "rape" itself being overused and inappropriately deployed. When I hear some fanboy crying about how "George Lucas raped my childhood," it makes me genuinely angry. Unless George Lucas literally molested you during your formative years, that phrase has no place in a conversation. It is hyperbolic and wrong. Kim Novak's accusation that the use of the "Vertigo" score in "The Artist" was akin to rape also bothered me. She should know better, and honestly, I'd be more interested in Bernard Hermann's reaction than Kim Novak's. We see comedians make jokes about it constantly, sitcoms routinely reference prison rape as something hilarious, and in general, it seems that we've gotten so used to the term that it just bounces off of us. And it shouldn't.
Maybe I'm sensitive to this because I'm gearing up for this year's festivals, starting with Sundance tonight, and I'm bracing myself for what I'm sure will be another year full of a laundry list of onscreen atrocity. All I ever ask is that any filmmaker who is going to use these images uses them in a responsible way, genuinely aware of the weight of what they're doing. I'm not going to do anything silly like try to call for a boycott of anything, and I'm not even making a blanket statement about every film that ever depicts sexual violence again. I'm not going to strike a hypocritical pose here, because I've certainly recommended films that include this act before, and I'm sure I will again, but I am more sensitized to how it's used now. I know that in my own writing, one particular script experience made me realize that I can't write that sort of moment at all. I don't want to. I feel what I write. I get completely caught up in my own work, emotionally and otherwise, and I don't want to ever have to sit in a notes meeting again discussing the fine points of how we brutalize and rape a character. It's too much for me personally to take, and all I'm talking about here is my own personal line.
The one thing that's for sure is that the next time I'm sitting through what is essentially an exploitation film and they decide to throw in a rape just to keep things lively, I will get up and leave the theater, or I will turn the DVD off, or I will simply tune the movie out. I have reached that point for myself, and I guess it raises the bigger question of what lines there are for you as viewers, and how you deal with it when someone crosses those lines.
I'd love to hear your feedback on this one, and I'll certainly be carrying my experience with "The Divide" into whatever else I see this year.
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Next 113 Commentssomethingcool Great article, Drew. One of the things that was most disturbing to me in 2011 was that Shame got an NC-17 just because Michael Fassbender and Carey Mulligan exposed themselves while Girl with the Dragon Tattoo got an R with that really harrowing, grotesque rape scene.
January 19, 2012 at 6:43PM EST Reply to CommentDante Kleinberg I don't disagree with you, but I wonder why we're so much more comfortable with murder, which is ( should I even say arguably here?) a considerably worse crime. Murder is sometimes portrayed as light, or funny. We have murder mystery parties. We would never have rape mystery parties. It's strange.
January 19, 2012 at 6:55PM EST Reply to CommentThough I really liked the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (book, I haven't seen the movie yet), generally I don't like a lot of misery or atrocity in my art. I don't really get people who like ultra-violent, brutal, or disturbing stuff like that. I don't even like slasher movies, or movies that are very depressing with no light at the end of the tunnel. What is the point, as you say?
I think some might say it's a reflection of real life to have atrocities or misery in art, and maybe so, but what's the purpose? I know life is full of misery. I've experienced some. Not to be reductive, but I sometimes wonder if people who love miserable or violent art are people who haven't experienced any real tragedies.
Jonnybon Yes, you should say "arguably."
January 19, 2012 at 7:25PM ESTSean I agree with some of what you say, Dante. I think graphic depictions of violence can be just as disturbing as rape scenes.
January 19, 2012 at 10:04PM ESTFor instance, the scene in Munich where Bana and Craig murder the woman who's naked and offers herself to them. She stumbles across the room, tries to pick up her cat, and eventually dies in a chair, I believe.
I know Spielberg is trying to show how disgusting murder is, and the fruitless, cyclical nature of violence, but the prolonged nature of the death, and the fact that she was exposed, was a little too pathetic and masochistic for my taste.
It didn't seem too far removed from the prolonged nature of Monica Belluci's rape in Irreversible. It almost seems like the director is getting off on it.
Emily I would disagree and say that we're much more "comfortable" with rape. Murder is unequivocally wrong. If someone murders another person, there's no delay in processing evidence, accusations that the murderer was "provoked" into the act, and that it's all right because the victim was "asking for it." Often, rape cases are not heard or victims are afraid to speak out because of the exact circumstances that he mentions in this article. Every single member of society understands that murder is punishable by law. There are no grey lines. That is the understanding inherent in murder mystery parties.
January 19, 2012 at 11:28PM ESTPete Emily, of course there are grey lines. Take Bernhard Goetz, for example. People can all agree that murder is unequivocally wrong and still disagree about whether or not a particular event constitutes murder. The same thing goes for rape. I think the difference is that there is a great deal more ignorance surrounding the definition of rape than there is over the definition of murder, and to that extent, I agree with you. But murder is not as free from ambiguity as you suggest.
January 20, 2012 at 12:39AM ESTMuh Still a difference...rape may be spoken about in jokes as funny, but is hardly ever actually shown on screen as a gag or joke. Where murder is constantly shown as funny or a joke.
January 20, 2012 at 11:39AM ESTocm No, Rape is a worse crime than murder. Rape is the ultimate degradation and humiliation of a person which they have to live with afterwards while, in all liklihood, the criminal remains free. I can think of a number of circumstances in which murder would be justifiable and less serious than other murders (eg. a battered spouse finally snapping and klling their abuser etc), I can't think of any circumstance in which rape could be 'justified'. Additionally murder is something we are all potentially vulnerable to while rape falls disproportioanately (to say the least ) on women- by men- and you can't se why making light of it in that instance is worse?
January 21, 2012 at 8:22AM ESTOlive B Sorry OCM but what you have just said is ridiculous. In both crimes there can be many victims and, I hope you never experience this but if a child is murdered do you think the parents just shrug and carry on. I'm sorry because I agree with almost everything on this page but lets not have a league table of wrongness.
February 8, 2012 at 5:24AM ESTJason I applaud this thought-provoking article, and I agree that every viewer has to draw their own line of taste. Frankly, it should be comforting to a viewer when that that happens (a moment of perfect moral clarity), and I'm sometimes surprised it takes so long to realize it. But I fully agree that the trend is distasteful and abhorrent if used for merely exploitative purposes. And I appreciate having some trusted reviewers to help me avoid movies that can't be unseeen. It might mean I see fewer films, but I don't feel at a loss for it.
January 19, 2012 at 6:57PM EST Reply to CommentDryden This is a fantastic post and I'll be linking to it everywhere. Thanks!
January 19, 2012 at 6:58PM EST Reply to CommentCory Lisbeth's rape was based on a real-life rape that Larson witnessed and did not act to stop. That guilt haunted him and was one of the main reasons for the very creation of the Lisbeth character. While I do agree with the general idea of this article, I don't believe that instance falls into the "we just need to have something bad happen" category of rapes you are bothered by.
January 19, 2012 at 6:59PM EST Reply to CommentJonnybon Agreed.
January 19, 2012 at 7:27PM ESTMathias Was going to write the same thing. Found the scene in the original Swedish movie much harder to sit through. Don't know why. But really hated the remake of the sex-scene between Lisbeth and Blomquist. In the original she just comes into his bedroom an f*cks him until she is satisfied and he isn't even finished. In the American version Blomquist flips her over so he's on top. Jars with the earlier scene. Don't like the sexualisation of Lisbeth in the remake. Topless movie-posters and all.
January 19, 2012 at 8:17PM ESTDennis Off course it's irrelevant! I saw the original in theaters, horrified that alot of my friends enjoyed a film that depicts a gruesome rape like that, and most importantly as drew says, with no really reason to the overall plot. Its in the thematic same category I guess. If so I just don't like the larsson movies. I know for a fact I will never see the "Hollywood" version.
January 20, 2012 at 7:37AM ESTExcellent article Drew - Well said!
Jordo Terrific article, Drew.
January 19, 2012 at 7:03PM EST Reply to CommentTo add to your point, I remember reading about some movies at Sundance a few years ago, and "Hounddog" was consistently referred to as "the Dakota Fanning rape movie". I never saw it based on that.
chaosyoshimage So much applause for this. Especially the "George Lucas raped my childhood" crowd, those people really piss me off...
January 19, 2012 at 7:08PM EST Reply to Comment
Or Kim Novak's pitch for the Oscar for Most Stupid Rape Analogy for Something That Is Nothing of the Kind - because The Artist's score containing a cue from Vertigo (with full credit and copyright clearance) is just like being sexually violated. I thought the response from Michel Hazanavicius and infamously-undiplomatic Harvey Weinstein was more restrained that I could manage, under the circumstances.
January 25, 2012 at 6:06AM ESTNew reader Drew, thank you so much for this article which underlines my thoughts to a tee. I'm about to direct my first feature and I was devastated by a meeting last night when the studio insisted I add a (thoroughly titillating) rape scene set-piece to the start of the film because it's what will draw an audience. I feel hollow.
January 19, 2012 at 7:09PM EST Reply to CommentBen Dooley You're not going to do it are you? That would be selling out right from the get-go...
January 30, 2012 at 9:25AM ESTAnisa Thank you for pointing this out--that rape can be used as a cheap device to shock the audience, demonstrate humiliation, or add nudity into a movie. What is also important to remember is that, while much of the audience will (initially) react with shock and disgust, a portion of that audience (larger than we probably expect) will have had similar violence perpetrated against them in the past. Suddenly, the violence on screen is something they can relate to, pain that was and still is very real to them. It forces them to relive something that they never should have had to live in the first place. In a way, it increases the damage to the victims of sexual violence (if they haven't seen it coming and walked out/turned it off already).
January 19, 2012 at 7:18PM EST Reply to CommentOn the other hand, those who have not gone through this are affected as well. As we know, by causing repeated exposure to an event, we desensitize the audience. It stops looking as horrifying. Thus the distance between victims of sexual violence and the rest of the world grows--one becomes more horrified and the other more complacent. Senseless rape scenes in movies can truly contribute to the emotional isolation reported by so many victims of this crime.
Anisa Write a comment...Thank you for pointing this out--that rape can be used as a cheap device to shock the audience, demonstrate humiliation, or add nudity into a movie. What is also important to remember is that, while much of the audience will (initially) react with shock and disgust, a portion of that audience (larger than we probably expect) will have had similar violence perpetrated against them in the past. Suddenly, the violence on screen is something they can relate to, pain that was and still is very real to them. It forces them to relive something that they never should have had to live in the first place. In a way, it increases the damage to the victims of sexual violence (if they haven't seen it coming and walked out/turned it off already).
January 19, 2012 at 7:18PM EST Reply to CommentOn the other hand, those who have not gone through this are affected as well. As we know, by causing repeated exposure to an event, we desensitize the audience. It stops looking as horrifying. Thus the distance between victims of sexual violence and the rest of the world grows--one becomes more horrified and the other more complacent. Senseless rape scenes in movies can truly contribute to the emotional isolation reported by so many victims of this crime.
nixskits Bravo! I'm also quite disgusted by sexual assaults being such a cliched modern subject for pseudo-artistry & bad humour. The shattering reality of rape is that those wounds hurt forever. They're not just a set up for paint-by-numbers revenge scenarios & writers/directors thinking 'edgy' in cinema demands some very distasteful reducing of crimes about violent domination over another person to merely one more common screen image. But the appetite for mature films in our world is typically undercut by cheap trash's popularity & always will be. Let's hope more enlightened filmmakers start turning this around soon!
January 19, 2012 at 7:19PM EST Reply to CommentYEAHNOTHANKS I agree with your sentiments here. I wouldn't call it a "breaking point," but I remember getting really pissed off at the rape scene in the Hills Have Eyes remake. I was enjoying a silly horror movie, and all of a sudden this rape scene comes out of nowhere and sucks the fun out of it. Poisoned the whole experience for me.
January 19, 2012 at 7:27PM EST Reply to CommentNeedless to say, I'll be skipping The Divide.
CinemaPsycho So, I guess you never saw the original then?
January 20, 2012 at 2:07AM ESTUANO1Cats What's ironic is the day before your Twitter post on the subject I finally saw Irreversible... You are completely correct! Easily the 'best' use of the situation thematically. Brutal, immediate & horrific.
January 19, 2012 at 7:35PM EST Reply to CommentI will only see this movie once as well... simply heart breaking
Hank Single Wow. I've been trying to articulate this...pretty much this whole thing for ages, now, and lacked either the inspiration or the heart to do it. This is valuable. This is great work.
January 19, 2012 at 8:13PM EST Reply to CommentOaktown Girl Yes, yes, yes. Especially thanks for pointing out the crass abuse and overuse of the word "rape", our twisted movie ratings system, and the "CSI"/"Law and Order" type brutally-raped-and-murdered female victim of the week violence.
January 19, 2012 at 8:25PM EST Reply to CommentSB Thank you for this. As a film lover and rape survivor, thank you.
January 19, 2012 at 8:59PM EST Reply to CommentSB Thank you. As a film lover and a rape survivor, thank you.
January 19, 2012 at 9:00PM EST Reply to Comment
My thoughts exactly.
January 25, 2012 at 9:34PM ESTShaunO An interesting article as usual, Drew. I'll have to give some thought to the use of the scene in 'Dragon Tattoo." I mentioned to you that my wife had a visceral reaction to that scene. She left the room and refused to even finish the film - I actually cued up the scene where Lisbeth gets her revenge and my wife did return to see what happens, but even that could not repair her enough to continue. I don't think she'll ever watch the film.
January 19, 2012 at 9:01PM EST Reply to CommentPersonally, it was extremely uncomfortable to watch, and I hadn't thought of how it related to the rest of the film other than to be the ultimate example of how often, the people who should be helping us, are often just people on a power trip who do more harm than good.
Next time I see the film (and I will because I think it's a strong film), I'll view the scene with different eyes.
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Bad Seed Thanks for this Drew. Despite enjoying the Lisbeth trilogy I've struggled with Larsson’s depiction of Salander’s rape. On one hand it represents the culmination of crimes perpetuated on Lisbeth throughout her life by Swedish power structures (after all, the rape isn't at the hands of just anyone, but the lawyer the courts and clinics have forced upon her), and connects thematically with the overall idea of how authority and the establishment—and ultimately the men within them—abuse people for their own comfort and gain. Moreover, it’s her breaking point, as the rape marks the moment when Lisbeth must step outside of society's laws in order to regain control of her life; the kind benefactor from before is gone, and if she's going to make it has to be on her own.
January 19, 2012 at 9:03PM EST Reply to CommentHowever, the ease with which she overcomes her ordeal reeks of exploitation. Larsson makes the argument that an eye for an eye’s enough, and that it's all sweet dreams from here on out. With this decision Lisbeth loses the potential to become a real, three-dimensional person, and instead changes into a wish fulfillment that overcomes traumatic fallout. By discarding the exploration of these ramifications (outside of Lisbeth's drive to get breast implants, something that could have stemmed from a deeper trauma, but instead serves only to add to her superhero mystique) the trilogy lands squarely in the exploitation camp. That Lisbeth has become a sex symbol shows how f****ed in the head our culture is when it comes to these kind of abuses; the last thing anyone's having is an honest conversation about the causes and effects that lead up to these moments, not to mention their aftermath, and films like The Divide, or situations where filmmakers are asked to include rape in their films to ramp up the titillation, aren't helping any of us understand the drivers that lead to these horrible events, or how to deal with the aftermath. When something is this heavy, some kind of moral takeaway is necessary.
Brendan 'Road Warrior' is probably the classiest version of that action possible, and even then there's some dicey politics, seeing as how the victim in that scene is just that: a victim and nothing else. The violation of that woman exists simply to give Max and the locals carte blanche to commit any act of violence they see fit. Road Warrior is one of my favorite movies ever, and I've seen it many, many times, but I've never thought of that scene in any greater context.
January 19, 2012 at 9:04PM EST Reply to CommentSo thank you Drew.
John-Locke I totally agree with you Drew, although one of the most ridiculous rapes I've ever seen was in a film you put in your top 10 of 2011, The Skin I Live In
January 19, 2012 at 9:11PM EST Reply to CommentJohn-Locke I'm talking about the one with the guy in the tiger suit.
January 19, 2012 at 9:13PM ESTKJW Good on you, Drew. A noble stand, and you've worded it exactly the way it needed to be said.
January 19, 2012 at 9:27PM EST Reply to CommentKJW Good on you,Drew. A noble stand, expressed exactly the way it needed to be said.
January 19, 2012 at 9:29PM EST Reply to CommentJohn I loved "The Crow," but a short time after that, I made a conscious choice not to go to another film that had a rape scene in it for many of the reasons you mentioned.
January 19, 2012 at 9:39PM EST Reply to CommentI also loved "Strange Days", and although what is filmed there turns out not to be rape (its complicated), I still can't get myself to buy the DVD because of the exploitation factor.
Thanks for writing this. I'd add more to it, but I think you pretty much stated my POV almost verbatim.
John W You're right about the rating system being screwed up.
January 19, 2012 at 10:06PM EST Reply to CommentScooby Great article. Wonder what your thoughts are on the rape scene in Mysterious Skin. As I recall it's all shot in close ups of the people involved and it was really, really fucking intense. I agree with everything you said above and it isn't much fun talking about this kind of stuff, but yeah...Mysterious Skin.
January 19, 2012 at 10:55PM EST Reply to CommentGeoff LaTulippe I suppose I haven't seen enough films with rape scenes in them to get to the saturation point. Or I have and I'm just desensitized to a certain level. So I haven't yet noticed this as a woebegotten trend.
January 19, 2012 at 11:08PM EST Reply to CommentThat said, even the examples that many would note as "proper" uses of the act feel wholly unnecessary to me. There's that notion that a lot of horror fans use for horror films: what you're forced to imagine is far worse than whatever you would actually see. Or some form of that. Well I don't always believe that for horror films, but I think it applies brilliantly to rape scenes.
I've seen them done full-fledged and in-your-face. Some of them have served their purpose. I've seen them implied to certain degree. Some of those have failed. But generally, a good director and editor can SUGGEST a much more horrific crime than they can actually show, in my humble opinion.
Michael Well said. I haven't seen the Fincher version, but when I watched the original Swedish film of "Dragon Tattoo", the first time he came on to her felt forced on film and yet something the movie felt we should've expected with a relationship of a man in power over a woman, in this case, owning her financials. (But if she was such a whiz with computers, how did she not get around that)
January 19, 2012 at 11:08PM EST Reply to CommentAnyway, while reading the piece I was reminded of a scene from my younger days of cinema when I watched Terminator 2. Sarah Connor is in the hospital/asylum and the orderly straps her down after she has a fit. Then, what seems like for no other reason than to justify his inevitable ass kicking later on, he licks her face. I remember laughing and being disgusted at the same time. I wouldn't say that was my breaking point, but it was entirely unnecessary. It's such a small, yet utterly demeaning act. It bothered me back then and even now, when I think on it.
Lastly, I'll just say, it's much easier for some filmmakers to think of the world as evil and unfair than to portray it as anything different. I think some filmmakers find it hard to honor true beauty and honest emotion in their work because they don't understand it.
Again, nice article.
Max Here's the deal, Drew: if you're cool with someone chopping off someone's head in a film, you have no leg to stand on in this argument. Violence is violence. Period. It doesn't matter if it's inflicted with a gun or a dick, it's still violence. I agree, it's a hard thing to watch and the use of it should be reserved for something other than just the need to toss it in to shock a viewer. But, I don't see the need to split hairs between depicted rape and depicted murder. I've enjoyed plenty of films where murder was all over the place and I thought "Irreversible" was an incredible film. But, rape has it's place in film just like any other exploitative device. That's all it is. You can't start getting angry about this now and on the other hand start laughing when someone starts stabbing someone with their arm bones. It really is kind of all or nothing.
January 19, 2012 at 11:11PM EST Reply to Commentbex max, you literally could not be more wrong. rape is manipulative and societal. do you have women close to you in your life? 1 in 4 women is raped. would you rather show them a movie with a gruesome rape scene or a gruesome murder scene? do you understand that every rape scene that a survivor watches forces them to relive their experience? do you understand that in most cases, women don't get any sort of legal justification for their trauma, and often have to live alongside their attacker forever? you seem to think that this post is just about movies, and you are 100% wrong. yes, murder is horrific. but murderers are brought to trial in this world. people feel loss for murder victims, and they are rarely, if ever told, that they "deserved it." you need to seriously reevaluate your outlook on rape because right now it is unrealistic. read again about our twisted ratings system, about the misuse of a word that holds a much deeper meaning than it is given. these societal, media-driven portrayals of rape, and yes, that includes film, are what fuels the rape culture that we live in today, that allows women to be brutalized and traumatized and that lets that experience become a joke, to become commonplace.
January 20, 2012 at 9:12AM ESTMax First off, I'm not wrong. Rape is horrible, no is arguing that it isn't. And yes, I've had someone VERY close to me get raped and the attacker almost killed her with a razor. And still I'm backing my argument. I don't want to see rape, I don't care for it, it doesn't do anything for me as entertainment. HOWEVER: IT HAS IT'S PLACE IN FILM. The main job of art is to reflect the society it was created in. I'm not ever going to back someone who wants to see restrictions placed upon it because of someone's feelings. I think rapists should get the death penalty. However, I'm not going to call for censorship (which is what you are doing by the way) because I don't care for the subject matter.
January 22, 2012 at 10:31AM ESTLiz I completely agree with you Max. I am glad I am not the only one.
February 2, 2012 at 7:27PM ESTbarry_meyer Well said! I remember the warning from an old film prof, who told a student to rethink his idea to do a film on the terrible Central Park rape in the early 1990s. "Be careful to not let the rape scene slip over the thin line into titillation..."
January 19, 2012 at 11:25PM EST Reply to CommentThis is why I turned an episode of Friday Night Lights off. I had avoided watching the show, but finally gave in, due to all the critical praise. The particular ep that I watched had the rape of a female student in a pickup truck in the school parking lot. As the girl tried to fight her rapist off, there were repeated shots of the girl's midriff, as her shirt and pants are being tugged at. The girl was obviously fit and beautiful -- and that was the problem. They wanted us to make sure we saw how fit she was, and how beautiful her body was. None of this had anything to do with the brutality of rape. And I won't even go into the notion that this is suppose to be a "family" show.
I'm with you Drew. I've found my line, too.
mrbilliam It's been a long time since I've watched that particular episode (though I remember it was the "Mud Bowl" episode, one of the show's most memorable), but I don't believe I found it titillating. I remember finding it tense and I was rooting for Tyra to escape. I really like the fact that, although we were expecting Landry to come in at the last moment and save her, she escaped the bastard on her own power. And she did suffer long term effects from the attempt.
January 22, 2012 at 1:35AM EST(Of course, it also lead to the worst story in the history of the show... but that's a different topic).
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