Sundance review: Lucky McKee's 'The Woman' outrages and offends with surgical skill at midnight

Finally, the complete story of what went on during the explosive Q&A

Sundance review: Lucky McKee's 'The Woman' outrages and offends with surgical skill at midnight
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PARK CITY - So, anyway, that happened.

I wish even a fifth of the press who fought to get those tickets for "Red State" Sunday night had fought just as hard to get into the midnight Library screening of Lucky McKee's "The Woman."  Then again, the very nature of Lucky's work has somewhat marginalized him in the first place, so I guess it was fitting that people are ranting out there about having seen a "subversive and dark horror movie" tonight at this festival, while the truly piercing piece of horror filmmaking that screened was nearly ignored.

Lucky McKee is, without question, a radical feminist horror filmmaker.  All you need to do is go back to his first feature "May" and then work your way forward.  His sensitivity towards his actresses, and the perspective each of his films takes, is practically political.  He returns to themes of power inequality and gender struggle, and he externalizes his subtext.  He has been consistent in his interests, and as a result, he hasn't been making $50 million studio films.  He doesn't seem terribly interested in remaking something or doing the easy jump-scare thing, and that can lead to some very difficult years for any horror filmmaker.

"The Woman," written by Jack Ketchum and McKee, is a fable about the smiling psychopath that our society is built to support, and the women he keeps under his thumb in his home.  The entire film's tone is somewhat heightened, the color palette jacked up, and the entire thing playing out more like a remembered dream than a literal story.  It is harrowing in a way that few horror films are for me these days, emotionally demanding.  It is extreme, but more in terms of the psychology and the toll on the personalities of the characters than in terms of overt onscreen violence.

Well, that's not completely true.  Things do eventually go totally mad-dog savage red, but McKee spends a long time turning up the tension before that, and in ways that violate taboo in an almost off-hand way.  It's a film that feels dirty, upsetting.  Because the film is ultimately about what happens when you render someone powerless, and what could happen if that power ever shifts back again, it is important for McKee to make his audience feel powerless.  And he does.  Completely.  It's the sort of film that just sits in the pit of your stomach, slow-burning, and each time a line is crossed, you have to reassess just how far the film is willing to go.

I am not a fan of abuse in a film for the sake of it, and beyond that, I have written before at length about the numbing effect of the way most indie filmmakers use rape for shock or, in the worst cases, titillation.  As a fan of exploitation cinema, I find myself having to excuse a whole lot of things in order to enjoy what I enjoy about the films, and there are times, especially at a festival like Fantastic Fest, where you realize just how unwelcoming much of the exploitation world can be for a female audience.  It's just non-stop and for the most part, lazy.  It is fair to say that the horror genre tends to victimize women far more than empower them, and that it's often done without thought.

"The Woman" is nothing if not carefully calculated.  Every beat of the film, every gradual escalation of the story and the tension and the sickness is calibrated for maximum effect.  There are some really blunt-force-trauma sexual politics at play in the film, which is evident from the set-up itself.  Chris Cleek is a soft-featured family man, and Sean Bridgers does an amazing job in the role.  He is as nauseating a character as I've seen in a film in quite a while, and it's the little touches that really make the performance special.  He is hunting one afternoon in the woods near his house when he sees a feral, animal-like woman, filthy and wounded, washing herself in the creek.  One look at her naked torso, and he never looks back.  A plan occurs to him, fully formed, and he starts by going home and modifying the cellar of his barn.  He tells his family he's going to bring home a surprise, and right away, there's something about this family that just feels fundamentally broken.  His wife Belle (Angela Bettis) and his daughter Peggy (Lauren Ashley Carter) are both like ghosts, barely there, cowed by something, while his son Brian (Zach Rand) is blank-faced, filled with cruelty, barely able to pretend to be human.  If that's where they start, then imagine where they end up after Chris reveals his surprise:  he has captured the feral Woman (the remarkable Pollyanna McIntosh), and he has her bound in the cellar, where they are going to, as a family, "fix her."

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From that basic scenario, McKee and Ketchum extract every single bit of unease and discomfort, and in doing so, he pushes the audience to a place where they have no choice but to address the outrageous disparity in power between the men in the movie and the women.  Even a character as initially strong as Ms. Raton, Peggy's teacher, is stripped of her power immediately upon confronting Chris, who gradually turns up the crazy over the course of the film.  It's like The Woman is a battery, sending out this field that makes all of the people in the family drop their thin veneer of civilization, and the more time they spend around her, the more they drop into a state of blatant savagery.

It's elegantly made, and while I found the movie intellectually engaging, what surprised me was the visceral reaction I had.  Not only did I find myself adrenalized by the last half hour of the film, it was to such an extent that I was literally shaking by the time McKee brings the entire thing to a conclusion.  I had a base level animal reaction to what I was watching that reached past both text and subtext to provoke that fight-or-flight part of the brain, and the catharsis offered by the ending is nothing as simple as a typical revenge movie.

And I'm not the only one it pushed, evidently.



That video has been making the rounds since mid-day yesterday, and I certainly helped with that.  I've sent the link out to several people, and I've seen it retweeted over and overall, as well as embedded in articles about "the incident" at the screening.  The thing is, that video starts after Captain Indignant has already been removed from the theater by security.  If that's all the story you're running, that's not the story.  I know, because I was unfortunately part of it.

Let me set the scene.  The film has caused a steady stream of walk-outs while it's running, which shouldn't surprise anyone.  If a film pushes me to the place where I'm having involuntary physical reactions, and I'm as jaded to the horror genre as I am, then I would imagine it must have been overwhelming for people who aren't as comfortable with the extreme.  The last walkout, probably twenty minutes before the end of the movie, was a young woman who was in such a panic to get out of the theater that she slipped and smashed her head.  They were momentarily afraid they were going to have to give her CPR because of how hard she went down.  Finally, the film ended, and the credits began to roll, and before anyone could even start to move toward the stage for the Q&A, Captain Indignant stood up directly in front of me.

And he began to scream.

"THIS MOVIE DEGRADES WOMEN! THIS MOVIE DEGRADES MEN! YOU ARE SICK! THIS IS NOT ART! YOU ARE SICK! THIS IS A DISGUSTING MOVIE! SUNDANCE SHOULD BE ASHAMED! HOW DARE YOU SHOW THIS!"

I've tried playing back the incident and breaking down how long actually elapsed.  I can't, though.  It's one of those moments that is distorted by that adrenaline that was already coursing through me, already so strong that I could feel the vein in the side of my neck pulsing, and having this guy stand above me, showering me in his spit of self-righteousness, and it felt like ten minutes went by of no one reacting to this lambasting of the filmmakers.

"WHO WOULD MAKE THIS?  WHY WOULD ANYONE EVER SHOW THIS?  I WOULD LIKE EVERY PERSON IN THIS AUDIENCE TO GET UP AND COME WITH ME SO WE DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO THIS SICK MIND!"

I heard someone suddenly yell back, even louder than him, "WHY DON'T YOU SIT DOWN AND SHUT THE F**K UP AND LET THE FILMMAKER HAVE HIS SAY?"

And when the guy looked down at me, shocked, I realized it was me who yelled it.

"ARE YOU SAYING YOU LIKED THAT MOVIE?"

"Yeah.  Yeah, I did."

From a few rows behind me, I heard someone loudly and clearly say, "Then you're sick, too."  That seemed to be all the fuel Captain Indignant needed, and he sneered at me.

"THEN YOU HAVE NO MORAL COMPASS, AND I FEAR FOR ANYONE IN YOUR LIFE."

Like I said… I get what was happening to him.  The movie hit him so deeply, in such a private place, that he was lashing out to try and maintain some sense of balance.  He wasn't intentionally disrupting things.  He was out of control in every sense of the phrase.

But when he said that, when he went from freaking out about the movie to making a judgment call about me being a hazard to my family, he pushed that same defensive spot in me, and suddenly I was standing, face to face with him, and anyone who has ever heard me raise my voice knows that there are few people louder than me, especially when you bring my family into things.

I can't tell you exactly what we bellowed at each other.  I can tell you that the moment I stood, he realized his mistake and began a sort of withdrawal.  I know I told him that Sundance invited McKee as a guest, and that the film had obviously worked because his reaction was expressing just how well it worked on him, and that there was a way to express his disgust that didn't involve hijacking someone else's premiere.  And again… I can't reliably tell you how much time passed.

I just know that as I was standing there, determined not to listen to any more of his rancor, the thing that really bothered me was knowing that in a field like horror, you can get ahead if you're willing to make the "typical" horror film, and if you don't really care about the sexual politics of the genre.  Lucky McKee is the last guy anyone who really grasps text and subtext can accuse of being anti-woman.  He has probably suffered in his professional life precisely because he does view things through a feminist prism, and to accuse him of degrading women without even attempting to understand the context… that's just wrong.

Finally, I felt a hand on my shoulder, and I turned to realize there were two security guards in the theater.  One of them smiled at me and said, "Thanks.  We'll take care of him now."

I sat back down, even shakier than when I stood, and watched as Captain Indignant backed away from security.  Keep in mind, by this point, this guy's been on his feet ranting at the top of his voice for a good seven or eight minutes, and yet his first response was to drop back into his seat, pull out his cell phone, and pretend to be checking messages.  The security guards leaned in.  "Sir?"  Nothing.  He was pretending they weren't there.  I'm surprised he didn't stick his fingers in his ears and go "NAH NAH NAH I AM NOT LISTENING TO YOU."  But his act didn't help. 

UPDATE:  There are now two videos, piecing together the very tail end of the incident.  In the one you saw above, he was already in the hallway, but now you can also see the final moments of him being escorted out of the theater itself by security, and you'll be able to hear the crowd's reaction to his disruption by this point.  I didn't remember the particular zingers from the crowd, but the guy who posted the link in our comments section is right... the woman at the end of the video has one of the best lines of the night:

 

 

The most touching part of the entire incident was when Lucky then walked up to the front of the theater.  All the women from the film then jumped up and got between Lucky and the crowd and raised their fists, ready to fight for him.  I think that says it all.

I'd like to apologize to Lucky and to his amazing cast and crew for being part of that, but I have no apology to offer to Captain Indignant.  If he really wanted to debate the film's content in the Q&A, he could have.  He didn't want a debate, though.  He was responding with his lizard brain, all instinctive bluster and outrage, and he was accusing these people of practically being criminals because of this piece of art of theirs.  That's not the spirit of Sundance or any festival.  When you buy a ticket here, you never know what you're going to get, but there's certainly a good chance you'll be provoked, pushed out of your comfort zone.  And I know we live in an age where horror is, nine times out of ten, safe and pedestrian and predictable and anything but scary or upsetting. 

McKee is the real deal, though.  He means to wound.  And "The Woman" is what happens when an artist gets good enough at their craft to land every punch hard enough to leave scars.

I hope you have a chance to judge for yourself soon.  In the meantime, any potential distributor should just release that YouTube clip as the teaser trailer and slap the title and a date at the end of it after the guy talks about how the film should be seized and burned.

Sounds like an endorsement to me.

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  • Holy cow!!! I'm sure I'll get around to seeing this...I love Lucky. But, man I'm gonna have to prepare myself now...

    January 25, 2011 at 12:52PM EST Reply to Comment
  • Jeez...I don't like the feeling I get watching generic horror movies. I can't even imagine what my reaction would be to this.

    January 25, 2011 at 12:57PM EST Reply to Comment
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    washington Can't wait. I've recognized "May" as a hidden gem for years, and I've turned several female friends on to it as a movie party, and they were blown away by it.

    Sounds like you're having pretty interesting Sundance, Drew.

    January 25, 2011 at 12:58PM EST Reply to Comment
  • lol, what a joke. and yesterday when you were whining about and crying about "Red State" you WEREN'T "captain indignant"? It is really telling how you resort to name calling and character assassination when trying to discredit those with whom you have a disagreement or difference of opinion. Maybe you could use half the space you just used to push a film that apparently causes extreme reactions of disgust and offense from people to justify your positive shilling of "The Green Hornet"? Or maybe you can't because you know that movie is really a BAD movie and your positive "review" was little more than a paid advertisement?

    January 25, 2011 at 1:08PM EST Reply to Comment
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      drew I appreciate the consistency in your obsession with me, Keith. If you're acting like a baby in a comments section, I know I've done something right.

      Keep it classy!

      January 25, 2011 at 1:21PM EST
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      Jeff Drew expressed his issues with Smith and Red State after the fact in an appropriate forum, rather than try to hijack the discussion post-screening and shout down dissenting voices. As for Green Hornet, maybe Drew just liked it. It's gotten more than it's share of fair-to-positive reviews, after all.

      January 25, 2011 at 1:46PM EST
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      Asshole111 I agree with Keith. I especially like the part where you explain to us that "there are few people louder than you when you raise your voice." You are a terrible writer and this article makes you seem like as asshole as well.

      September 28, 2011 at 9:41PM EST
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    Dryden Drew, thank you for writing this up. Shame on the security guys for not getting involved earlier. Part of me thinks this is brilliant viral marketing but I hope the reaction is genuine. Between this and "A Siberian Film," we're finally seeing real horror again.

    January 25, 2011 at 1:12PM EST Reply to Comment
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      drew It was a matter of someone going to get them, which isn't a simple matter at the Library.

      I can promise you... that guy wasn't acting. The movie broke him deeply.

      January 25, 2011 at 1:22PM EST
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      Josh A Siberian Film sounds like one I want to see.

      January 25, 2011 at 4:59PM EST
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      Kay Um, I assume you guys mean A Serbian Film?

      February 3, 2011 at 10:32AM EST
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    Jack Ketchum I'd like to thank you for sharing this -- a smart insightful review as well as an illuminating bird's-eye-view of the incident. I'm glad you were there. -- Jack Ketchum

    January 25, 2011 at 1:16PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Reint I've been waiting all day to read this. Thanks.

    January 25, 2011 at 1:21PM EST Reply to Comment
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      chudleycannonfodder Same. Thank you for sharing your story and for standing up for art.

      January 25, 2011 at 3:30PM EST
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    Billy Dakota Way to literally stand up and scream in defense of the art of film making. Best Sundance story ever. I bet you don't, but I really wish there was a reaction camera inside the theater.

    January 25, 2011 at 1:47PM EST Reply to Comment
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      drew I'm relieved. I don't need to become a viral video, and there's no way that wouldn't have happened.

      Truly the weirdest event I've ever been involved with at a screening.

      January 25, 2011 at 1:54PM EST
    • So, did 'Captain Indignant' succeed in effectively killing any civilized discourse with his doom-saying routine, or did the Q&A go on to yield anything else worth talking about?

      January 25, 2011 at 7:29PM EST
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    Stormshadow4life I am kind of nervous to see this one (if it ever gets released here)....You really didn't give anything away at all, but I think I might have to watch this one alone. My wife can't handle anything "rape" in movies.

    January 25, 2011 at 2:08PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Stormshadow4life holy crap....just watched the video. I need to see the movie that prompted this insane reaction!

      January 25, 2011 at 2:19PM EST
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    MMorse I find myself curiously mixed in terms of my feelings here. You say that this guy had a "lizard brain" response, and presumably that response was the same sort of uncontrollable, visceral reaction that compelled a woman to RUN from the theater and sustain head injuries. Focusing on how "lizard-brained" he was doesn't make much sense to me. That was the point. That's the point of horror films in general - to access that lizard brain inside of us. Why not also berate the woman who cracked her head open for taking things to an extreme?

    While I'm all for freedom of artistic expression, that freedom of expression comes with a price: freedom of reaction to that expression. From the sound of it, The Woman is profoundly-disturbing stuff. I appreciate that you're able to view it in the context of McGee's overall filmography, but that ability isn't one that most filmgoers possess. They'll see The Woman like this guy saw The Woman - without context, and free to judge the artistic merit of the film based on the film itself and his (like yours) visceral, lizard-brained response to it. If you make something that's designed to push buttons as blatantly as this appears to be, should you be surprised when it pushes those buttons?

    I'm not defending this individual. I don't know him and it sounds as though he made an ass of himself. But you cannot deny that his reaction is the VERY THING that a film like this is actively, purposefully trying to create and that his reaction was genuine and genuinely disgusted (based on the video at least). You don't make a disturbing film without knowing that you'll disturb someone. Clearly, McGee succeeded. Not expecting people to react viscerally - as "lizard brains" - to such material seems...naive.

    January 25, 2011 at 2:58PM EST Reply to Comment
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      drew "Lizard brain" isn't an insult. I mean that it simply reached an instinctive place in him beyond reason.

      And, yes, I think that EXACTLY what horror should do. I don't hold the reaction of leaving against anyone.

      This guy's problem was that he simply handled his outrage in the totally wrong way.

      January 25, 2011 at 3:05PM EST
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    MMorse I guess that's my point though; when you purposefully aim for and hit the reactive, instinctive lizard brains of people with your horror movie can you expect people to handle outrage in the "right" way? Isn't his reaction arguably a natural part of what the film is by its nature INTENDING to do?

    I ask because I think that's a genuinely interesting question in a larger context as well as in this specific context.

    January 25, 2011 at 3:16PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Jon I wasn't there nor am I a fan of horror. But, it seems that MMORSE has a much more realistic and fresh perspective then Mr. McWeeny. If this film was to get a reaction out of our lizard brains and this guys reaction was to be pissed off, then it did its job and the guys reaction should be respected. My guess is that people are generally just uncomfortable around others who act out in this fashion, so they shout him down and bemoan him, laugh at him, whatever. I think as a society we've become too soft to gentile when it comes to our opinions.

      January 27, 2011 at 2:41PM EST
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      Leyton Rocks I think the shouting down was because the incident was holding up the planned Q & A ... not totally unreasonable to expect a Q & A to begin when the compere asks if there are any questions vs ad hoc hysteria

      August 30, 2011 at 7:12PM EST
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    Jim Foley WOW, thank you for putting some perspective on both the movie and the incident. As with most YouTube Videos there is a context one needs to know. I helped establish a battered women's program in the 1970s and have to say I am conflicted about the film and the use of violence to make a point about violence, but I am intrigued and willing to hear and see for myself. Since dealing with victims of abuse it is hard for me to see such violence portrayed gratuitously in films. I've known too many powerless women for whom society and friends offered no solution. Thanks again for the insight.
    Jim Foley

    January 25, 2011 at 3:36PM EST Reply to Comment
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      drew Thanks, Jim.

      And fair warning... it may be too much for you to sit through. Or you may find yourself oddly empowered by the way the film plays out, which I think is certainly part of the design.

      Either way, it's a conversation worth having for reasons you are more familiar with than me.

      January 25, 2011 at 3:38PM EST
  • Can't wait to see this, although with the way the Australian censors have been acting lately it might prove difficult. Ketchum's the real deal; his Open Season is one of the most disturbing horror novels I've ever read.

    January 25, 2011 at 4:05PM EST Reply to Comment
    • That is to say, Off Season. I'm rather tired.

      January 25, 2011 at 4:06PM EST
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    Sean The right to your opinion and outrage do not confer a right to behave like you're somehow privileged enough to scream about it. If you genuinely don't like the situation you're in : walk away. Is there anything more shameful than the behaviour exhibited by someone used to getting their own way being denied?

    January 25, 2011 at 4:39PM EST Reply to Comment
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      jack callas Privileged? Yeah, it's called freedom of speech in this country. And babe, talk about privileged -- the men who dare to show this stuff on screen and then expect a polite q and a -- and at the cost of a person's head injury -- THEY are asserting the ultimate privilege. I'll say it again: show this Woman as a 65 yr old typically-shaped woman, and filmmakers wouldnt have made it out alive, because every man defends his mother or grandmother, but not some woman they consider "fable." The filmmakers were total pussies my using a woman considered conventionally attractive -- TOTAL COWARDS.

      April 4, 2011 at 12:26AM EST
  • Drew "Badass" Mcweeny. That has a nice ring to it.

    I count myself a Lucky Mckee fan, but I hadn't heard about The Woman until yesterday, when I saw this video on fangoria.com. This self righteous screed literally raised awareness. How poetic.

    January 25, 2011 at 5:38PM EST Reply to Comment
  • I want to see The Woman. I want to see if, indeed, this man is truly saying something disturbing and honest about patriarchal power or if he's simply buying into it with a trumped-up, faux-introspective rendition of torture porn. I want to know if he is a feminist ally or just--consciously or unconsciously--masquerading as one. I want to know if this film is critique or confirmation. Because only a true artistic genius could pull off the former and most artists who believe they're doing the former are usually doing the latter.

    It won't be enough for the point of the film to just be: "See? Men with too much power = bad. Women with too little power = bad. REVENGE IS IN ORDER!" It's got to examine the pathology. It's got to look at what happens to the oppressed AND the oppressor. It's got to look at causes and it's got to look at solutions. "Woman kills her captor" isn't a feminist idea: It's murder.

    And the test will be to see if McKee is giving us something more than murder.

    January 25, 2011 at 6:41PM EST Reply to Comment
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      drew It's certainly not just that simple, Robert, which is why I reacted as strongly as I did. The film definitely deals with pathology and the origin of sickness and many other things. It's a really rich piece of material that uses a simple power inequality to kick things off.

      January 25, 2011 at 9:11PM EST
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    Rustle Wow, that's a great story. And is that the real Jack Ketchum thanking you in the comments, pretty cool. Between this, and having the Kevin Smith drones turn out in response to your Red State write up, you're having one hell of a Sundance. Keep up the good work.

    January 25, 2011 at 7:01PM EST Reply to Comment
  • I may have missed this elsewhere, but any idea who is distributing this one? Word of mouth aside, am a big fan of films based on Jack Ketchum books. Heck, I even liked Offspring.

    January 25, 2011 at 7:29PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Alice Fascinating post, thank you. I don't believe that this man's reaction was entirely genuine. At first perhaps it was instinctive,a sort of fight/flight response (as you say with 'lizard brain')....But the way he carries on for so long, out in the hallway, on and and on and on, it had clearly ceased to be about that. It was longer involuntary and had become about ego. He felt embarrassed by his initial reaction and felt obliged to keep pushing and pushing with his outrage to somehow feel vindicated. It became about him, his right to 'express himself,' his feeling of being aggrieved (that stemmed from feeling vulnerable). If he had simply said that he hated the film and felt it was wrong and then allowed others to speak (allowing even for a brief loss of control within that!) I think we would all have empathy. Like the woman who left the theatre, he would have been reacting honestly. As it is, he comes across as arrogant and ignorant. Because *he* cannot fathom the meaning of the film, it must have no meaning. Because *he* sees nothing but violence, there must be nothing....It is an unpleasant way to engage with art.

    January 25, 2011 at 10:48PM EST Reply to Comment
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    sromeo121 I was at this screening. First off, I thought the film was great. Other people didn't. That's fine; it's a horror movie, some people don't have the stomach.

    The thing that I most wish to say to this jerk protester is that if you're going to stake a public claim as to why a film "isn't art," at least be *right*.

    The complaint was that the film is degrading toward women. Wrong. This film is exactly the opposite. Yes, it depicts graphic acts of violence and sexual abuse toward women, which unfortunately, happens behind closed doors every day. Just because a movie SHOWS that, doesn't mean it's PRO-that. The abuse isn't portrayed in a seductive manner, and the message is not to promote the abuse of women. It's simply a glimpse into the gory and unattractive underbelly of an often ignored segment of reality. I've seen romantic comedies that make a worse name for women.

    This protester is no one but a person with logorrhea who feels entitled to spray shit all over anyone nearby. I only heard what he said in the theater, but watching the You Tube video makes me feel even less inclined to take him seriously. "I've been in over 40 films." What does that have to do with anything?? And look how he's recording his own voice as he argues! Dude just wanted attention. I guess he decided the 80's wind breaker wasn't enough.

    January 25, 2011 at 11:05PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Latauro That's pretty extraordinary. I am now afraid of McKee's film and cannot wait to see it. Hope it gets a festival airing at MIFF this year.

    Based on how the guy is holding his phone in the video, I would assume he wasn't checking his messages, but setting up his phone to record audio in case he needed it later. It looks like he's recording the entire thing.

    The moment in the video when the guy says "Can I finish my sentence?" and Captain Indignant replies "I doubt it" says a lot about this guy. "I doubt it" is a zinger, the first thing that jumps into his head to score a point in the argument, and I see it a lot these days. It doesn't actually mean anything in this context -- Is he saying the Sundance employee is inarticulate, or that he himself will not allow the employee to finish his sentence? -- and it's just a faux witticism in place of a genuine response. This is why intelligent discourse is so hard to find; everyone wants to "win" the argument, regardless of content or context.

    I get where he's coming from. I've come out of movies absolutely furious, but I've managed to express that anger without abusing people who have felt differently. And the films I loathe the most are ones I would vehemently defend against banning or burning. Why are so few people able to grasp this?

    January 26, 2011 at 12:03AM EST Reply to Comment
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      jon carner yes, it's a shame you werent in nazi germany, so you could have expressed your opinions without abusing people, the nazis, who felt differently. i mean it's not anyone's business to go and save suffering people like the Allies did -- look at all the destruction they caused -- nazis died, so did civilians, and one guy who was the head of everything actually killed himself! if only you had been around, then, to politely go in and epxress your opinion apporpriately and without abusing people, like the Allies did -- youi are such a hero! You're the new Gandi!

      April 4, 2011 at 12:40AM EST
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      Leyton Rocks The guy complaining wouldn't listen to any reason ... he wanted the cinema bus to stop so he could get us all off. He could and would not hear/entertain a constructive thought being uttered about the movie nor be polite to the Sundance employee who displayed the patience of a saint rather than the actions of a dictatorship hellbent on damaging minds through film ... penny dreadfuls, horror comics, films, heavy metal, video games, gangster rap et al have all be blamed for some ill or another in society when they're nothing but products of our society.

      August 30, 2011 at 7:03PM EST
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    Tom Bomba Drew I appreciate the writeup and your review is one of the smarter things you've written and makes me very interested to see the film despite me generally not wanting to go near such things, but there's a big problem with this writeup. It doesn't correspond at all to an actual video of the man being escorted from the theater. Your version seems highly embellished. Security doesn't lift him out of his chair at all. And even funnier, despite your tough guy stance, the real zinger here is that a woman gets in the real good punchline, but somehow you didn't seem to notice it despite a lot of the room applauding and laughing at it. What gives?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Frliyp33sM

    January 26, 2011 at 3:08AM EST Reply to Comment
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      drew This is after I'm seated again, the very tail end of the thing. Security is already in the room and in his row. You are correct that they are not using force, and I will correct that. At this point, he's already played out his bizarre "I'm just checking my e-mail" routine, too.

      And you're right. I didn't notice everything being said by the people around me during this part of the incident because I was shaky. I said so in the piece. Before you tell me I embellished the exchange, you need to see the entire thing. And this absolutely is not it.

      January 26, 2011 at 3:42AM EST
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      drew And thank you. If any other videos from the evening show up, please let me know. I don't believe I took a "tough guy" stance, nor do I imply that I was going to hit anyone or do something physical. I stood up because it's incredibly unpleasant to have someone screaming at you and standing over you, especially someone as irrational as this guy was.

      The incident happened as I said. We've already see one person who was there appear in this thread, and if SROMEO from above is still reading, I'll ask him... do you feel I misrepresented what happened?

      Seriously... thanks for the link.

      January 26, 2011 at 3:51AM EST
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    Samplelord Good stuff Sir...
    You handled yourself correctly when confronted with a member of the flat Earth society.
    I would have lost the ability to speak...at which point the reptile part of my brain would let my hands do the talking.

    Lucky makes very original horror flicks with very strong and independent women, who can lash out at the world with the same/more violence as we man do.
    Instead of the usual weak, dumb and slutty chicks we see in modern horror flicks...which is how society like's their women.

    I think a lot of people fear that, something supposedly weak having the power to manipulate, abuse or even kill you.... especially insecure men fear that.
    Me, I like my women Red Sonja style, strong, intelligent, independent and not afraid to use violence when in danger.
    Big props to you and Lucky.

    January 26, 2011 at 5:06AM EST Reply to Comment
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      jon carner You want to see a good film with just slight exploitation, about a woman taking power and manipulating? See Reese Witherspoon, et al, in Election. No, she didn't kill or act out rage wiht violence for the simple reason that ALL women know that if they do that, including the woman in this movie, they will go to jail. Period. So Witherspoon's character had to come up with something more creative, since unfortunately women are not allowed to say anything to a man -- better they should injure their head running away, because they know the consequences of even verbally saying anything would be worse. GET IT, MORONS?

      April 4, 2011 at 12:56AM EST
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    sarrie jo I am truly afraid for our society. How on earth does a human being get to the point where they are making films like this, and people are watching them for entertainment?

    I honestly believe that our society is moving backwards. We make movies like this that we watch under the guise of viewing "art" and "ironic social commentary."

    I would have way more respect for people if they just admitted to getting off on women being raped and tortured. Would a horror movie with graphic images of child porn be acceptable? Could you watch it and tell yourself that the movie was made simply to inform?

    I am happy that there were at least two people in that movie screening with morals and decency. I hope that woman's head is ok

    January 26, 2011 at 7:03AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Izarina can we put a spoiler alert at the top of the article, the guy in video start rattling off plot points :(

    January 26, 2011 at 12:39PM EST Reply to Comment
  • I haven't seen this film. After reading this, I wonder if it will feel similar in its gender politics to Martyrs. It's more than a bit suspect when a man makes a movie that is ostensibly about pointing out that violence against women is bad by SHOWING over the top violence against women. I mean... really? Is that the best you've got?

    The lubricant of that exchange is that there's a charge that one gets from it (both showing it and seeing it). Whether it's revulsion, or titillation, or just a reaction along the lines of "oh my god I can't believe what I just saw!!" - it's all a way of delivering a kind of excitement around the abuse of women.

    I haven't seen the film so I can't say for sure, but if this fits the paradigm of other torture porn films masquerading as social critique, I'd just like to know, deep down and really truly honestly, about the place it's coming from in the director.

    Because the thing is, women don't feel empowered by this plethora of films that show us being abused, tortured, beaten and raped by men - whether they're "making a point" about that, or not. And we don't make them. The few cases you can find of female directors doing work that could be grouped in the torture porn or extreme violence camp, are pretty exclusively cases of women battling other women or themselves. So who is this film by, and who is it for? If women are left out of that equation, then perhaps it really doesn't have anything to do with us at all. And there's really nothing feminist about that.

    I haven't seen the film, but as a female filmmaker who watches horror and genre right along with all the other stuff, I say this sort of thing is often a trojan horse for some unresolved issues. And I'm none too fond of seeing all this violence against women put out there on my behalf, as a woman.

    And I would also say that having recently been at many festival screenings of my film, and having to deal with many angry, gut-level responses from our audiences, I can sympathize with the director and the filmmaking team on this. But that's also part of the fun of festivals and interacting with our audiences.

    Great coverage Drew, whether or not I'll end up agreeing with your assessment.

    January 26, 2011 at 12:58PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Agent Mermaid Audrey - well put. Those of us who already understand the power structure of violence don't need another 2 hours of violence to explain what we already get. It's hard for me to believe this film, even without seeing it, and other abuse/revenge films like it, are going to change the casual filmgoer's core values. Sure, it might make them squirm, or think a bit deeper for fifteen minutes, but aren't there better, less objectifying ways to get the message out there? The plot alone turns my stomach and irritates the flip out of me. Thank-you Drew for covering the story. As a fan of THE WOODS, I might have seen THE WOMAN without researching it, and been seriously scarred. Your encounter sounds frightful and I'm sorry you had to contend with such a rude dude.

      January 27, 2011 at 5:41PM EST
    • Audrey - Going off Lucky's other movies, he usually does a great job and they are far more intelligent than most horror movies being released right now. I haven’t seen the film yet either but I think it is worth waiting to see the film before judging his motivations, if only because of the great work he has done before.

      That out of the way, ‘Until the light takes us’ was great, thanks for making one of my favourite documentaries.

      January 27, 2011 at 8:55PM EST
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      jon carner Thank you so much for this relevant and insightful comment. It cannot be argued with, including your point about accepting the reaction from the audience. To boot, The man who cursed out the other man was doing the same thing the first man did, except he wasnt defending any morality, only the other males right to do what some see as exploitation -- the filmmakers. This was a macho bullying of a truly upset person.
      Movies made that include how women feel would START with after the violence of the men, because feminist women know that this is the real story. The patriarchal power is taken for granted, no need to show it. Again, as a previous writer said, why not show abuse of children, or a grandmother-aged medium weight woman? No, that wouldnt be titillating, it had to be someone f-able. Coward filmmakers. But you said it better Audrey...

      April 4, 2011 at 1:08AM EST
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    Brittany anywhere we can see a trailer of the woman? I doubt there will be a film festival it'll play at anywhere near me

    January 26, 2011 at 1:01PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Jane I was also at this screening, and witnessed the insulting outburst afterwards.

    This movie does not deserve this amount of fuss or negative attention, especially when compared to many other Sundance films. But more people will probably check it out as a result in the end, so hopefully all will turn out positive.

    I am a female, I was not offended by the "message" of this film in the slightest.
    Put very simply this movie about a very twisted individual who is believes he is superior to everyone less physically powerful than he (male or female) and is an obsessive control freak. He's a psychopath, not a role model. Psychopaths, abusive husbands or fathers, and rapists are common villains in our culture's entertainment. I don't understand how this movie is any different in it's portrayal of a revolting villain who gets his payback in the end at the hands of his victims.

    So my best guess as to why the guy in the theater freaked out because maybe he has slapped women before or runs his family like a violent dictatorship, like the man in the movie does - and the implication that such a person could also be capable of torture and rape offended the hell out of him. Obviously something hit a little too close to home. Perhaps someone who identifies a little too much with the evil heart of the male lead would be overwhelmingly disturbed by this story.

    It's not the best movie in the world - doesn't "say" something profound and new, but it doesn't have to. It's a horror movie and, if you dig the directorial style, an enjoyable one (if not a little too predictable. It's bad reputation has gotten way out of hand.

    January 26, 2011 at 4:14PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Sarrie Jo I have not seen the film, so I cannot speak to the particulars of its content. What I can say is that your assertion that the gentleman disturbed by the pornography in this film must have, "slapped a woman or raped someone" is beyond offensive.

      There is a general lack of respect for humanity- especially women in this culture. There is a link between these snuff-like films, and some of the abuses we are seeing in prisons and other places.
      If you want to see horror, why not watch a film about the abuses taking place in our nation's juvenile facilities? If you like watching torture, you should watch a film called Taxi To The Dark Side. There are plently of images of people ( many of them are women), being tortured and violated in that film. If you enjoy suffering, why don't you watch real suffering, not ersatz pain concocted to excite sickos like you.

      January 26, 2011 at 8:05PM EST
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      Jane First, I did not assert that the man (he was anything but gentle) was disturbed because he MUST HAVE slapped or raped a woman. But comparatively this movie was tame and far from "sick and deranged," I was merely hypothesizing why someone who voluntarily showed up to a known midnight horror film would cause a public disturbance over it. Especially one that absolutely did not glorify the inhumanity as protested by this person.

      I was disturbed by what I saw in this film, as I am often disturbed by films. I go to films for many reasons and being emotionally affected if one of them. It is what I enjoy about films, books, and other forms of art and media. Do I enjoy watching or condone wicked human suffering, cruelty and torture? no. It was hard to watch in Schindler's List, and it's hard to watch here. I simply don't understand why this movie is the target of such outrage.

      This man was enraged, disrespectful and frightening. He accused the audience of being immoral and deranged for watching this movie and not objecting to it.

      Not only have you not seen this film at all, you were not even in the room to witness what happened, so I'd thank you for not calling me a "sicko."

      January 26, 2011 at 11:59PM EST
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      mrm1138 @Sarrie Jo,
      There is a difference between liking a movie that features (or is about) violence and liking violence. For instance, it's very easy to find many, many people who admit to liking Schindler's List. Does that mean that they enjoyed watching the depiction of Nazi atrocities? Not at all, but they appreciated the place of those depictions within the framework of the story. I understand that the situation is different since Schindler's List is based on actual events, but I feel the principle is similar enough to draw a comparison. That said, not having seen The Woman myself, I can't comment as to whether or not the violence is used in a non-exploitative way. Having seen Lucky McKee's previous films, though, I choose to give him the benefit of the doubt.

      January 27, 2011 at 1:36PM EST
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      Smarter than sarrie jo Maybe Sarrie Jo should bother seeing the movie before calling it porn.

      I hate self-righteous people like Sarrie. You suck, grow a brain.

      February 6, 2011 at 1:27AM EST
  • There are many people who like "snuff films," this appears to be as close to a "snuff film" as legally possible. I think it will make a fair amount of money before appearing on all those free movie download websites.

    January 26, 2011 at 6:17PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Leyton Rocks Where is your evidence that many people like 'snuff films"? That's the most banal claim in this whole thread ... and The Woman is far from being a snuff film .... I am literally amazed by this diversion in the debate

      August 30, 2011 at 7:26PM EST
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    Ben Great article Drew. "And when the guy looked down at me, shocked, I realized it was me who yelled it." Priceless. Loved it.

    January 26, 2011 at 7:53PM EST Reply to Comment
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