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Film Nerd 2.0: 'Babe' vs 'Tron' on Blu-ray

Do the boys prefer disc wars and the MCP or Farmer Hoggett's farm?

Film Nerd 2.0: 'Babe' vs 'Tron' on Blu-ray

James Cromwell's Farmer Hoggett is one of the most endearing characters in film history, and introducing my kids to him was one of this month's highlights

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It's been a long and frustrating day of dealing with my son's educational future, so it seems appropriate for me to wrap it up with the latest column in the Film Nerd 2.0 series that outlines my efforts to help my kids make sense of the preposterous number of media options available to them.

I love seeing things with fresh eyes, and there is no easier way to do that than having kids and really engaging when you share something with them.  One thing I've learned is that kids make their decisions about what they want to see very quickly, based on the most basic information or impressions, and that it is hard to predict what will affect them and what won't.

Both of my sons were out of town for a stretch of nearly six months at the end of last year, and as a result, when "TRON: Legacy" was released, they weren't here.  Toshi, my five-year-old, had seen the trailers and was interested in the lead-up to release, but by the time they got back, the film was out of theaters.  And knowing there was a Blu-ray release of the original film in the works, I never broke out my old DVD of the film for him.

The entire time they were gone, I stockpiled movies for them, and we've been chipping away at them as we've been catching up.  Finally, as we were putting together our plan for a recent weekend, Toshi decided that it was finally time for the big "TRON" double-feature, while Allen decided he wanted to see "Babe," or, as he referred to it, "PIGGY!"

There was some dispute about which order to watch things in, too, so I had to step in and negotiate a peace.  We decided it was going to be the 1982 "TRON" first, then "Babe," and then we'd follow it up with the "TRON" sequel.  I was curious to see how each of the films played with the boys, and I was determined not to let my feelings about "TRON" influence them at all.

I'll say this about the work that Disney did on the transfers for both of the "TRON" films on Blu-ray:  they are spectacular.  I've seen every previous transfer they've done of Steve Lisberger's 1982 film, and I've seen the movie theatrically both 35mm and 70mm, and I can honestly say it's never looked like this.  Ever.  Lisberger's got to be over-the-moon happy with the way the transfer came together.  The story of the original film is a very simple sort of "Wizard Of Oz" riff, and both of the boys enjoyed it and followed it easily.  I was surprised how strongly Toshi didn't like the look of the film, though.  As much as I loved the look of the film when I first saw it at 12, I have to admit it's preposterously spare when you look at it now, and that totally stripped down look just didn't do it for Toshi.  It didn't help that he was impatient to get to some of the imagery he'd seen in the trailers for "TRON: Legacy," and I'd be curious to see how many kids who started with the sequel reacted well to the original, and whether or not Disney did some sort of research that told them not to re-release the 1982 film before "T:L" hit theaters.

The reaction to the second film was almost directly inverse to the original.  With "TRON: Legacy," they both reacted on a visceral level to the designs and the world and the remarkable palette, and they did notice all the Easter eggs and callbacks to the first film.  But the story didn't just bore them… it confused them terribly.  Toshi must have asked me 1174 times, "Dad, who is Clu?"  And no matter how hard I tried to explain what happened between the two movies, it just didn't add up to them.  Question after question, scene after scene, the film just seemed baffling.  With no clearly defined bad-guy and with action scenes that seem to end as soon as they start, the film was a frustrating sit for both of the boys. The only scene that they seemed to unreservedly love was the lightjet chase.  Even the hand-to-hand combat in a few scenes failed to draw them in, and these two will literally fight with any two objects they can pick up. The computer world didn't make logical sense to Toshi, and most of his questions can be summed up by the moment he turned to me during the dinner scene at Flynn's compound and asked, "Dad, why do they have a pig in 'TRON'?"  

Obviously, the answer to that question is, "To eat it," and that brings us to "Babe," which I hadn't seen since just before the sequel came out theatrically in 1998.  I remember enjoying "Babe" when it was released, and being charmed by it, and I remember how simple and effective the effects were at the time.  But what I didn't remember is just how heavy the film's themes really are, and watching the film with the kids, it almost played as a horror film to them.  After all, the entire film is about the existential panic of being eaten.  Babe's journey in the movie is to figure out something that will make him indispensable so that Farmer Hoggett (James Cromwell) won't eat him.

Until we watched this film, I'm pretty sure the kids never made the connection between animals and the food on their plate, but since watching it, they've started asking about every single serving of meat, "Dad, what was this?"  They're not freaked out by it, but they are starting to make the connection, and they're working to understand the entire notion of the food chain.  More than that, though, they're both asking questions about what it is that I do, and why I chose to do it.  For Toshi, the big lesson from the film wasn't about whether or not someone's going to eat him, since he's pretty sure that isn't going to happen.  He is concerned now, though, with the notion of what he's going to contribute, what he can do with his life.  He has told me a few times now that he wants to do something "important," which is a hell of a thing to hear from a five-year-old who is just wrapping up kindergarten.

In their way, the effects in "Babe" are just as dated as the effects in the original "TRON," but the difference is that they're used as a way to help bring characters to life in "Babe," but never at the expense of the basics of storytelling, while in the 1982 "TRON," the effects really are the whole show.  As much as I love the way "Babe" works, the difference between the Henson puppets and the digital work by Rhythm & Hues is blatantly apparent at this point.  It doesn't matter, though.  The Blu-ray does a wonderful job of reproducing the rich and gorgeous world that cinematographer Andrew Lesnie and director Chris Noonan built.  We've watched it twice since that first viewing, and what really makes the film stick is the little detail work throughout.  Allen loves the singing mice in particular, while Toshi's quite taken with Ferdinand the Duck.  And both of them love Farmer Hoggett, which I completely understand.  I forgot how gentle and wonderful Cromwell's work is in the film, and when he delivers that last "That'll do, pig," it is an emotional sledgehammer each and every time.

The real difference between the two experiences is that neither one of the "TRON" films seem to have made any deep impression on the boys, and since playing them, they haven't asked to see them again once.  With "Babe," the film is already in the rotation of things they're going to revisit time and again, and that's the most honest review anyone can offer.  Kids won't sit through a film a second time out of any sense of obligation, and if they love something, good luck talking them out of it.  "Babe," which Toshi didn't even want to see, sank in, and more than just enjoying the cute, the film seems to have started them thinking about their relationship to the larger world around them.

Of course, not everything a kid takes from a movie is an important moral lesson.  We also watched the 1933 "King Kong" recently, and a few nights later, we watched "Abbott & Costello Meet Captain Kidd," in which the guys find a treasure map that leads to Skull Island.  It took me most of that movie to convince them that there were not going to be dinosaurs and King Kong in the film, despite the appearance of Skull Island, and it was only once it finally registered that Toshi turned to his brother, sadly, and pointed out, "You know, every movie would be better if it had King Kong and dinosaurs in it."

Indeed.  Sometimes, that's all the lesson you need to learn, and honestly, can any of you tell him he's wrong?

Want to read earlier installments in the series?

Here's the moment the series was born, at the tail end of the series of "Star Trek" reviews with Toshi. (9.2.09).

"The Last Starfighter" on Blu-ray (9.7.09)

"Popeye," empathy, and David Bowie's codpiece (9.21.09)

Talking Heads, 'Astro Boy,' and "Willy Wonka" on Blu-ray (10.26.09)

"The Dark Crystal," featuring a guest appearance by Toshi's little brother (12.2.09)

"Help!", in which Toshi discovers the Beatles, especially Ringo (1.4.10)

'Last Action Hero" introduces Toshi to Armer Shirtzganoma (1.18.10)

A Tale Of Two Zorros (2.23.10)

"Clash Of The Titans" on Blu-ray (4.2.10)

"Jason And The Argonauts" on Blu-ray and Harryhausen at AMPAS (8.9.10)

"Time Bandits," "Mars Attacks," and letting go (9.7.10)

"Toshi and Allen encounter high adventure with 'The Goonies'" (3.6.11)

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  • "You know, every movie would be better if it had King Kong and dinosaurs in it."

    "Indeed. Sometimes, that's all the lesson you need to learn, and honestly, can any of you tell him he's wrong?"

    From what I hear, Kong and Dinosaurs could have perked up "Atlas Shrugged".

    April 19, 2011 at 4:18AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Mark

    Seems bizarre to partner up a film that concentrates on cold visuals with a film that is about warm and happy sentimentality and then seem surprised that your kids preferred the latter. (We'll ignore Tron: Legacy altogether, just a disaster).

    April 19, 2011 at 4:31AM EST Reply to Comment
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      I. S. Not to mention pitting one of Australia's greatest ever directors against some rookie.

      Have you showed Happy Feet, Drew? I wonder what the reactions will be to its heartwarming theme of species extinction. Can't imagine where the sequel will go...

      April 19, 2011 at 2:52PM EST


  • "Why do they have a pig in TRON?" That is the question.

    April 19, 2011 at 5:40AM EST Reply to Comment


  • Seriously Drew, you need to do more and more of these columns. The are enlightening and heart warming. Reading about a childs journey into the world of film is magical and the way these columns have developed have made them not just entertaining, but important.

    April 19, 2011 at 7:52AM EST Reply to Comment
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      mturnerdu Totally agree with Leo here. These are well written columns and really get me excited to show my 2 and 4 yr old movies that I loved and appreciated.
      They already love Babe so its nice to see that its a universal movie for kids still.

      April 19, 2011 at 9:26AM EST
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    Brendan

    "You know, every movie would be better if it had King Kong in it."
    Toshi rules.

    April 19, 2011 at 8:05AM EST Reply to Comment
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    bad parent alert

    You actually named your son Toshi? Toshi McWeeny? "Touchie McWeeny"? Bad parenting alert.

    April 19, 2011 at 9:18AM EST Reply to Comment
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      lem Hey..don't be surprised if you see Toshiro Mcweeney for president some day! The kid's pretty bright....Drew make sure you don't lose his birth certificate lol

      April 19, 2011 at 9:43AM EST
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      drew My son's name not only perfectly suits him, but everyone who knows him enjoys it and other kids don't bat an eye.

      Oddly, the only people who have a problem with it are anonymous cowardly adults who obviously still feel the need to bully over something as ridiculous as someone's name.

      By all means, feel good about yourself.

      April 19, 2011 at 8:06PM EST
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      ushaped Reply to comment...

      April 21, 2011 at 12:48PM EST
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      ushaped oops, hit enter accidently...great column Drew. My son is 12 and I too have had to try and put aside my feelings for certain movies as he rejected some of them. Others, like the original SW trilogy he loves. BTW, my son also has a unique name and whether or not kids know or like him, none consider using it to make fun of him. It seems the younger generation have learned well. Good reply.

      April 21, 2011 at 12:54PM EST
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    lem

    "that'll do pig" still gets me everytime. That's one classy ending...instead of relying on plot twists and "one year later" segments, miller decided that all he needed was one line, and the audiences emotions would take it from there. Just great storytelling over all.

    April 19, 2011 at 9:40AM EST Reply to Comment
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    David D.

    As much as I'd recommend "Babe" for kids of ANY age (it was the first film my son saw in a theatre), I'd think very carefully about showing the sequel to children without reacquainting yourself with it first. There's a scene about two-thirds of the way in that was so unexpected and devastating that it made me weep loudly and uncontrollably for several minutes. (I had to stop the tape!) And even though it ultimately turned out to be less awful than it seemed at the moment, the event (and the moment of "heavenly joy" that follows) could still provoke really, really strong reactions, especially to viewers who love the characters. (How's that for avoiding spoilers?)

    April 19, 2011 at 10:15AM EST Reply to Comment


  • I wonder if the connection between the two Tron films would have worked better for them without the majesty of Babe sandwiched in between? All three of these are films I love, but I can't imagine a more jarring middle act of a triple feature...

    I say this partly because I think Legacy works best as an immediate double-feature with the original, as crossing the gulf of technology between them when in rapid succession is more thought-provoking than almost anything in either movie. (Not that I expect this to matter to the kids, but it might have made Legacy feel more coherent).

    LOVE the 2.0 series, keep doing this!

    April 19, 2011 at 10:45AM EST Reply to Comment
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    DefRef

    Please show them Babe 2: Pig in the City - or as I call it, "Fellini's Pig Adventure" - and report back how long it takes before they stop demanding to sleep with their parents. I remember sitting in the theater and wondering how the director of The Road Warrior got to make a kids movie and how no one at the studio noticed what was happening in it.

    April 19, 2011 at 10:58AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Brendan

    Drew, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE write up that King Kong viewing. Given Toshi's love and sympapthy towards giant monsters I'm dying to see what he made of that film, especially the ending.

    April 19, 2011 at 11:00AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Verbal Hooligan

    Drew- Write more of these and then compile them into a book. Film geek parents like me would snatch it up in a heartbeat.

    April 19, 2011 at 1:30PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Ed Pegg

    Since you're showing them Skull Island movies, you should let them see the opening scenes of Dead Alive. But maybe they're still a tad young.

    April 19, 2011 at 3:34PM EST Reply to Comment
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    dyikini

    Nice write up Drew. Glad to see Babe is still relevant, important and entertaining for kids!

    April 19, 2011 at 7:32PM EST Reply to Comment


  • We rewatched ET with our kids- the youngest and oldest NEVER watched and it destroyed them. My son had to walk out. I'm with you... I LOVE watching films with my kids because of the tabula rasa nature they bring to it

    April 20, 2011 at 10:24AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Earl Doom

    Everyone has their preferences, but sorry guys...Tron: Legacy is the most underrated movie of 2010. It doesn't bother me that the kids don't get it, but it irritates me that nobody else gets it.

    October 24, 2011 at 1:39PM EST Reply to Comment
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    billy_buehler

    I wonder if their interest in Tron will spike again after the cartoon series hits, and as (hopefully) a sequel approaches.

    The former will likely help clarify the backstory for them (though subsequent viewings of the film tend to reveal all answers (albeit, granted, from an adult POV, not a child's)-except for that pig, I'll admit. Hilarious that they picked up on that.)

    But, then I'm unabashedly in love with Legacy (I really enjoy the subtleties in both the story and performances that reward subsequent viewings, as well as how it's almost perfectly structured in having almost everything either be properly foreshadowed or function as an homage to the original film; plus I just find it plain fun), but the kids I've spoken to who saw the movie seemed to dig it (though one did prefer the original, oddly enough, which I wouldn't have called).

    October 25, 2011 at 10:40PM EST Reply to Comment
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