'Avatar' trailer premieres online to decidedly mixed reaction
UPDATED! Debate rages and an embed arrives
Anyone else itching to throw on 'Ride of the Valkyries' looking at the crazy imagery in the first trailer for James Cameron's 'Avatar'?
Uhhh... that image? Of that swarm of gunships against a sunset on Pandora? That is officially f'ing cool.
You know what's not cool? The way fandom seems to have decided that, no matter what, they're going to sit cross-armed and irritated over the entire idea of the film.
First, check it out for yourself at Apple.com, the home of the exclusive world premiere of the first trailer for James Cameron's "Avatar."
Really? Someone takes the full resources of a studio and manages to get them to greenlight an original SF film instead of a remake or a retread or a superhero film, and it's from the director of some of the most universally-loved SF action films of the last 30 years, and THIS is the film that we decide is going to be the sight-unseen punching bag of the fall season?
Really?
RT @t_futurist Finally watched AVATAR trailer. This is the new big step in film effects? Rubber fake-looking CGI aliens fighting humans? Yawn.
I guess you can color me profoundly out-of-step with what looks to me to be the general response to the trailer, because I thought it was a simple, elegant introduction both to the world of Pandora and the general idea of the film.
I love that the only line of dialogue in the entire thing is Jake's cautiously pleased "This is great." It's the smile that sells it for me.
[more after the jump]
What seems to be the most common freak-out among those who are freaking out is that the Na'vi are "CGI." Well... yes. That is true. And I suppose at this point, there are people who have just plain decided that they are never ever going to accept any character that comes out of a computer as "real," and that's certainly a choice you're free to make. But if you can look at even these brief glimpses of the Na'vi and you tell me that the work is "terrible," well... we're going to have to agree to disagree on that. The ultimate test of these characters comes from the way they behave, not from the skin textures (which are amazing) or the eyes (which look to have built off the great work done on Gollum) or the environments (Pandora looks like a location, not an effect), and for that, we're still going to have to wait for the film, obviously.
RT @arcane_bimmer $300 mil to make photorrealistic alien trees that look just like Earth trees. At least the WETA programmers are happy making mortgage paymts
Fox is going to have to weather this first round of snarky fanboy backlash to get to the mainstream audience, the real target of this campaign. And until they see this trailer and, more important, until we see if they show up for the film based on what they're seeing, it's still a giant fingers-crossed crap shoot. And hype (which is what begins now, with the actual campaign) as opposed to buzz (which is the organic conversation or interest that has been driving any talk of the film so far) is a dangerous thing. San Diego was the first part of the hype campaign, and now this week marks the second part, and so far, it seems to me that for most people, the jury is still out.
RT @BrianLynch When James Cameron re-invents THE SMURFS, he doesn't mess around.
In many ways, Cameron is his own worst enemy from now until the film hits theaters. Every time he and Jon Landau talk about the film, they are putting a target on their own backs. There are people who despise hype, who still have some weird grudge simmering over "Titanic," (which was not called "The Titanic," as the "Avatar" trailer calls it for some odd reason), and the more they hear "it's like dreaming with your eyes wide open," the more they're going to push in the other direction.
And no, I don't think it's a calculated response to dislike the trailer. Some of the responses I've read are absolutely just people offering up their honest reaction, and they didn't like what they saw. Fair enough.
RT @ petershall James Cameron's AVATAR is the best looking thing that ever fell out of a hard drive from 2003.
But I think there's also a brewing backlash that is based on factors other than the film, and this morning was a very clear demonstration of what the conversation's going to be like moving forward. Months of this, clear battle lines drawn, over a movie no one's seen yet. Personally, I'm content having some faith in a filmmaker who has, film after film, proven himself to be one of the best guys working in SF or action, and having him back in the director's chair would excite and intrigue me no matter what the subject matter.
The fact that he's gambling as big as he is, creating his own brand new world in the process... well, that's just gravy. If he wants to take me to Pandora in December, I'm more than happy to buy the ticket. And if you guys want to sit it out because the trailer didn't literally rewire the chemistry of your brain, as it seems it was supposed to do, then that's fine, too.
I'll have a full report on Saturday about the footage shown at "Avatar" day, the IMAX sneak preview of fifteen minutes of the movie, and obviously, as we get closer to the release of the film, we hope to have even more coverage here at HitFix.
UPDATE!
Wanna see the international trailer?
Huh. Looking at it, I don't see a difference. Still, nice to have an official embed of the trailer from Fox.
I'm going to get further into this as the weekend continues, once I've seen the "Avatar" day presentation tomorrow, but I think there are some interesting challenges ahead for Cameron between now and December, and I think the first of them is the most important: cut fandom loose.
Forget the fanboys. Take it to the mainstream. Sell the new love story from the man who made "Titanic," and sell the idea of escaping your own body to run wild on an alien world. The fanboys will go see it anyway, so dealing with all the gnashing of teeth and spilling of tears today, but for the next four and a half months?
Not worth it.
I like the comments here, even the ones I'm not in agreement with, because you guys seem to be able to actually discuss it. There are other places where I am ashamed to share any common interests with the rabble that are just bleating waves of knee-jerk ignorance, places I'm not even going to link to. Thanks, and I look forward to continuing the conversation late Friday or early Saturday.
In the meantime... are you really going to tell me that this is "bad" CGI?
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Or how about this one? Again... if the style doesn't work for you, or the designs, that's cool. I can get behind that. But as far as making it look like a physical object, holding the same space as the human cast?
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Yeah. Works for me.
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Next 73 Commentskadoogan
August 20, 2009 at 1:52PM EST Reply to CommentYeah, I don't get the negative reaction either. This is the best trailer I've seen since that WHERE THE WILD THINGS ARE teaser.
MediaFiend kadoogan, I couldn't agree with you more. And I'm a horribly misanthropic, son of a bitch.
August 20, 2009 at 9:33PM ESTantpred
August 20, 2009 at 2:07PM EST Reply to CommentI feel completely out of touch with the naysayers. This looks to be an intriguing and interesting film. It is more original than most of the material out there right now. The people who are complaining are the typical negative types who are never satisfied. They would call "Citizen Kane" and the "Godfather" trash if they could. As far as it being too CG WTF, it isn't anymore CG than Lord of the Rings was or the Hobbit will, or did they forget that Gollum wasn't real. In fact this looks much better than Gollum. Also, it is the story that ultimately matters, and I have a lot of faith in James Cameron to produce a compelling narrative. Count me excited after a bland summer.
flybot
August 20, 2009 at 2:16PM EST Reply to CommentYou speak right out of my mouth.People can't look at it as an original movie.they should know the track record of james cameron better.this movie will not be a failure by any means.
for myself, i can't wait to watch the movie.no matter what the haters say.
Alex
August 20, 2009 at 2:16PM EST Reply to CommentI work in the fx side of things, and I think some of the backlash is because it was so hyped up. Hearing things like "revolutionary" or "redefining movies" or any of the other hyperbole...just didn't overwhelm me. I thought the environment looked pretty cool, but seeing the Na'vi in action (at least in this trailer) reminded me of the trailers for Apocolypto or 10,000 BC. Maybe it will be cooler in stereoscopic?
Alex Almost forgot..definitely respect Cameron for trying to tell a new story, and not another not needed remake.
August 20, 2009 at 2:19PM ESTnick_r
August 20, 2009 at 2:19PM EST Reply to CommentI'm excited because I have faith in Cameron to make an incredible film. That trailer didn't do much to push me in either direction. I didn't think it was bad by any means, but I didn't have the "HOLY SHIT, *THAT'S* WHAT THIS IS GOING GO BE??!?!" reaction that I was hoping for. Ultimately, as others have said, this movie isn't going to live or die on its incredible up-to-the-minute visuals, but on the strength of the storytelling. And Cameron should know that too, so it's a bit perplexing that the first trailer would be centered around incredible up-to-the-minute visuals and not a simple, compelling setup of the story that's going to be told.
Craig
August 20, 2009 at 2:23PM EST Reply to CommentI agree with the people who are unimpressed by the CGI. Considering the aliens are humanoid, it would have been possible to make this movie without making them cartoon characters, which they look like. My fear is that this is going to be a movie-long version of the Jar-Jar vs. Robots battle in Episode I. A big cartoon in which there is no sense of jeopardy. Where nothing seems fantastic and impressive. Having said that, I still hope I am wrong, and I will give the movie the benefit of the doubt and pay my $16 to go watch it in 3D. Why? Because it's James F-Ing Cameron!
stormshadow4life
August 20, 2009 at 2:49PM EST Reply to CommentThe trailer was cool enough. The CG shown was anywhere from excellent to meh though. I'll be seeing in theaters (and in 3D). But seriously Drew, you are partly responsable for the haters. From all the sites I've read, you've been hyping this movie more than anyone. So of course they are gonna be a little disappointed when they're not blown away.
drew I remain just as excited right now by the return of James Cameron to action/SF as I've ever been. Nothing's changed. But I've never said "game changer" or "photo-realistic," because I knew what those terms would do... set the movie up to fail, no matter what. The people who kept calling the movie "a game changer" were other filmmakers visiting the set, responding to the tech they saw in use. No doubt they were thinking about their own films and how they might use these toys for storytelling, and so they got excited. I have always been excited about this, but the hype did not start with me.
August 20, 2009 at 2:54PM ESTstormshadow4life Just watched the trailer for the....5th time. And it's really growing on me. It doesn't look even close to photoreal, but who cares? It looks pretty sweet. As long as the film can engage me emotionally, that's ALL I care about.
August 20, 2009 at 8:15PM ESTPatrick Sauriol
August 20, 2009 at 2:49PM EST Reply to CommentThat's my sarcastic comment above (Arcane_Bimmer on Twitter).
Look, I am one of the biggest James Cameron fanboys around when it comes to the guy. He made ALIENS, he made TERMINATOR, he made the world care about two star-crossed lovers on a ship that sunk nearly a century ago. The guy has proven he's a legend.
However, everything from AVATAR that I've seen or heard has left me feeling kinda cold. Believe me, I want to be excited because this is James *fucking* Cameron and he's coming back to scifi. But I've read the scriptment for AVATAR and it didn't do anything for me. When I saw my first look at the AVATAR aliens, the Na'vi, the result was the same. The aliens and their world look too much like our world for me to get excited about the story.
Technologically speaking AVATAR is exciting. There's no doubt that Cameron is pushing ahead the technology. But conceptually? We've seen this story told before many times, but if it's told in an exciting way it shouldn't matter. But nothing has shown me that AVATAR is going to be as amazing a story experience as it is when judged on its technical accomplishments. The trailer for WHERE THE WILD THINGS hit me emotionally and visually. AVATAR only succeeded in the latter department, and even then I'm not a fan of the Na'vi design. That's my honest, heartfelt reaction and if I believe it, I've got to say it. My mind remains open and I truly hope AVATAR does knock my socks off when I see it, but my pessimism will continue to have a voice until that day in December arrives.
drew Absolutely valid, Patrick. Like I said... obviously, people are having very strong reactions to what they're seeing. I don't doubt the sincerity of why you're reacting the way you are. I've known you long enough to know that you react from a very sincere place, and you're not just looking to score the best takedown snarky comment, the way many other sites are.
August 20, 2009 at 2:57PM ESTDon Kaye
August 20, 2009 at 2:58PM EST Reply to CommentThere's no doubt that Cameron is a very good and sometimes great filmmaker ("True Lies" and the first half of "Titanic" excepted), but the buildup of hype -- helped along by some journalists -- is backfiring on this film. It looks great for what it is, but in the end, it's still CGI and that will always keep me and I suspect a lot of people at a distance. It doesn't look like the game-changer we've been promised -- at least so far. As for the story -- "Dances With Wolves" in space seems to be what we're looking at, and that's kind of a big ho-hum too. I have my fingers crossed and I'll be there, but I am not blown away...yet.
August 20, 2009 at 3:48PM EST Reply to CommentLooking at this, I can't help but wonder if it may be the reason FOX pulled the plug on Blomkamp's HALO film. The aesthetics are so similar - there's even a Warthog jeep in this trailer, for god's sake - and, at the risk of starting a conspiracy theory, I have this niggling feeling that Cameron might have chewed out some FOX execs about greenlighting a movie with such a similar 'feel'?
Then again, perhaps it's just that Tom Rothman is a giant douchebag.
kinzilo
August 20, 2009 at 4:47PM EST Reply to CommentThey like this
kinzilo
August 20, 2009 at 4:55PM EST Reply to CommentI'm with Drew. That smile at his downing of awareness -- How cool is this? -- says a lot about the moment. I saw "the other footage," the stuff from Comic-Con and elsewhere on Monday a.m., so I know what comes after that moment, and loved it. I did dawn on me afterward that the imagery may have looked in some ways a little artificial, but certainly not rubbery or cheesy. And as far as the aliens, the Na'vi, are concerned, they are actually created by performance capture, not pure CGI, so they will definitely be human-like and hopefully with realistic emotions. That was Cameron's goal, and he's not one to settle for less. It's worth noting that Fox hasn't gotten at all jittery as it did with "Titanic" on the expense, when it nervously signed on Paramount to pick up part of the tab when the budget started looking like it would hit $200 million. We know how that turned out. This time, there hasn't been even a hint of doubt as far as I'm concerned.
August 20, 2009 at 5:44PM EST Reply to CommentJames Cameron hasn't put out a feature film in over ten years. With that long a gap, I think some of these people were expecting him to completely blow their minds -- to give them a taste of an experience along the lines of, say, the first time we saw the T1000 in its liquid metal form. Instead we get Thundercats Vs. Exo-Squad. Which, while it may sound dismissive, looks like something I'd want to go see, it looks NEAT and I'm going to assume the movie itself and the concepts behind the "say, doesn't that kinda look like ______ ?" veneer is going to wash away some of the easy snark burbling up behind my eyeballs ... but watching it on my computer screen, it looks like a new video game for the Xbox or PS3. And has anyone taken into account the fact that we're watching it on a monitor and not a computer screen? Or does that not matter anymore? I know I've seen trailers in the past that made me go, "Oh, that's cool," on my computer screen, but when I saw them in the theater I went, "Oh. Holy CRAP." I dunno. I thought it looked cool, but I didn't think it was this big OH MY GOD thing that it had been built up to be. Though to be honest, the way Cameron's been talking about this for forever and a half, I don't think there's any way it COULD have been, y'know?
Chris
August 20, 2009 at 7:08PM EST Reply to CommentI think it's just a victim of being so heavily-anticipated for so long that it won't satisfy anyone, not matter how good it is. James Cameron's last narrative was Titanic--the biggest film of all time, with groundbreaking effects and the big winner at the Oscars. 11 Years later, people are (unfairly) expecting him not just to make a kickass film but to change the cinematic world again. Personally, I loved the trailer. The Nav'i look...well, they look like CGI--but not bad CGI...but how else are 10-foot tall blue characters going to look?? I think it looks like a fun action adventure...and knowing that it's by James Cameron, the king of this kind of movie, gives me confidence.
August 20, 2009 at 7:29PM EST Reply to CommentThis one's tough, Drew, and mostly because of what you spoke to before: the idea that this was going to be a "game-changer". If it's not something that Cameron outright said on his own, it's certainly a concept that he's embraced and allowed the studio to to perpetuate. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that - he's made a film that he loves and worked his ass off on, and he should promote it with all the pride in the world.
That said, this trailer - and I'm going to speak only for this trailer - doesn't give a lot of us who were curious about this movie (I'd never call myself a Sci-Fi enthusiast, though I dabble) the sense that there's anything here to trump what we've seen from other high-aesthetic CGI efforts. It all looks great...but it doesn't look *different*. The Na'vi...I'm with a lot of other people - I don't care if they look artificial. They look cool, and I like what they've done. The creatures they've created are original and imaginative. But we were promised a new world, a completely altered visceral experience...and there's nothing in the trailer to indicate that's what's coming.
This is a highly personal thing, but what I'm hoping for is that Other World that was hinted at ever so briefly in CONTACT. Something Earthlike and yet DISTINCTLY alien at the same time, something that would begin to remold my perception of what's possible in the universe. I'm not getting that here. I'll hold out that this is a first step; maybe I'll be blown away by what I'm going to see on Friday in IMAX 3D and I'll change my tune completely. I don't know too much of the story, and that's the most important thing anyway - perhaps it'll totally rock me. I hope so. But on a purely visual level...so far, I'm underwhelmed up against expectations that I believe the filmmaker and studio have brought on themselves.
AER
August 20, 2009 at 7:34PM EST Reply to CommentI'm in no way gunning for Cameron, and based on what I'd been hearing I was intrigued and had hope, but sorry, this trailer left me underwhelmed on all levels: concept, the storyline that's indicated, visually, etc. While I understand it can be annoying to hear such snap-judgments on something that's been labored upon for so long, on the opposite end of the spectrum, there have been plenty of examples in the past of great directors pursuing long-time "dream projects" that, for whatever reason, don't come close to resonating like their best work: Scorsese with Gangs of New York, Spielberg with Hook, Jackson with King Kong, Lucas with the prequel trilogy, etc.
Here's hoping Cameron still can defy expectations, though. If anyone can, it's him.
I'm still
PurpleTentacle
August 20, 2009 at 7:37PM EST Reply to CommentDon't worry Drew. A lot of the fanboy naysaying comes from no different a place than where we get all the Shia-hate, or Spielberg-hate, or whatever-the-new-fad-is-hate. In NZ we call this Tall Poppy Syndrome. That is, peoples tendency to disparage conspicuously successful people. Especially since half of movie fandom are failed film-makers, disillusioned by the unattained wish of success. Or just people who dream of being in such a position.
I think another source of backlash comes from the fact that this film has been built up for so long (whether through official channels or not) as being visually revolutionary. And only recently have we seen Cameron sort of back-pedaling on that and downplaying it a bit.
Personally, judging only from the trailer I think the CG characters look sub-par. You mention a lot will ride on their behaviour, and I know that isn't limited to their physical movements but the brief glimpses we've seen seem to indicate they have the trademark much-too-fluid feel of CGI. I could be wrong, and we'll have to wait till we get more of course.
Aside from that I think the film looks completely fucking awesome. The world and mythology looks like it could be one of the first real original pieces of cinema we've seen in a while.
PurpleTentacle ^ I mean that in the sense of epic cinema, of course. This has the potential of becoming this generation's Star Wars.
August 20, 2009 at 7:47PM ESTAlso, food for thought: Perhaps Cameron has been out of action too long to really know when and how to use CG effectively? And what it's really capable of. I know photo-realism is possible, but on a scale like this where probably almost every shot has some variety of digital effect in it, it's just not feasible to blanket the whole project with the highest level of precision. We saw it with Jackson's Kong - the Gorilla and T-Rexes looked amazing but everything else was virtually cartoon-quality.
t1 avatar crew member : "Avatar IS photo real. and you will believe it is a real place once you have seen it in its final form. you Devin and the rest of the negative druids will eat everyone of your words come December 18th."
August 20, 2009 at 9:25PM ESTbig words. i think this hatred trailer is exactly the trailer cameron wants to show. we see all and nothing. just flashlight-scenes. this trailer suggests you to think: mmh its cartoon-style its fake its ...not that great.. but it is... watch the hd version press pause enlarge the fucking screen click trough the scenes : awesome... hair feet hands ( all the fucking nerves handlines: its all there..) of the navis are awesowme.. im from europe maybe my english is not that good but i think you understand.. for me its like this: youre all get punked haters!!!hahahahah
Alex I don't necessarily think that's fair. I don't understand the Shia hate, or Spielberg hate..but still am not in love with this trailer. People said groundbreaking, breathtaking, etc.. And to agree with another post, first thing I thought was the visor on Worthington rolling down the ramp was ripped off cg from the Tron2 trailer.
August 20, 2009 at 11:56PM ESTI just wasn't overwhelmed by this. I think Cameron is trying something very ambitious, and will definitely see it in theaters (those environments in stereo would be great) but I still think the Na'vi look..off. Not groundbreaking, but it's only a trailer.
PurpleTentacle Oh yeah, I don't mean to say there aren't valid reasons to have a negative reaction to it. I was generalising. And I agree about the visor.
August 21, 2009 at 7:59AM EST
August 20, 2009 at 8:13PM EST Reply to CommentThe most amazing shot in this for me is the alien wiggling his toes on the hospital table, and I mean that as a compliment!
jimmy the alien-feet scene : no hater can fuck with that..
August 20, 2009 at 8:49PM ESTimpressive.
drew Same with the POV shot looking at the hands. Just looks like a make-up job. Quietly amazing work.
August 20, 2009 at 9:01PM ESTsoloyoda
August 20, 2009 at 8:31PM EST Reply to CommentAll of the negative feedback about this trailer is at the same time irking me and intriguing me. I've been to Ain't It Cool, Cinematical, JoBlo, and this site, and all of the naysayers are basically saying the same thing. To paraphrase, they think it looks "fake" and "too CG" and too much like a video game, and that the effects were supposed to look more photo-realistic. In short, this was supposed to be the "game-changer." To this, I would like to point out a couple of things that I hope bring disappointed fanboys down off the ledge. 1.) Cameron himself never said this was going to be a game-changer. If anything, he was trying to bring the hype down to a respectable level at Cinema Expo earlier this year. The people who thought it would be a game-changer are the people who are now whining about how "underwhelmed" they are at the trailer: the fanboys! As a devoted fangirl, I can relate; I mean it's James Cameron's first film in 12 years! And why not expect a game-changer after that amount of time since this film is made by the same guy (er, GOD) that gave us Terminator I &II, The Abyss, Aliens (once of the best sci-fi actioners EVER), and Titanic (sorry fanboys -- it was technically awesome). I'm sure the hype wasn't helped by Time Magazine writer Josh Quittner who called the advanced footage that he saw "startling and absorbing," but really, the fanboys/girls created this hype so they have no one to blame but THEMSELVES for their disappointment. 2.) Everyone keeps saying the Nav'i look "too CG." It's probably these same people that said that the Hulk in The Incredible Hulk looked fake. Well, yes. He was fake. And CG. I mean, I don't know what they were expecting given the advancements made thus far with CG like this. What, were they supposed to use a guy in green make-up and a muscle suit? Or not do the movie at all because it won't look completely realistic? Visionaries like James Cameron HAVE TO make movies like this so that we can eventually get to the point where we can't tell the difference. Progress won't be made otherwise. I also don't think the naysayers have any idea how hard it is to replicate human flesh digitally. As far as I can see, the effects here have raised the bar, even if they haven't quite perfected it yet. It still looks pretty damn impressive. 3.) You should go see this film out of sheer respect to a filmmaker who is always striving to push the envelope and give us something we've never seen before. All you saw was a teaser trailer; just give the big J.C. the benefit of the frakking doubt and go see the whole movie before you sentence it to suckitude. James Cameron hasn't done me wrong thus far, so as a loyal and THANKFUL fangirl for all of the amazing cinematic experiences J.C. has given me so far, I'm totally there. And you should be, too.
MediaFiend
August 20, 2009 at 9:16PM EST Reply to CommentDrew- I think, much like your recent Brou-hah-hah over Eberts column, it's a generational thing. I also think It's because we remember seeing how amazing the trailers were for ALIENS or T2.
Personally, I find myself just as intrigued. But what the hell do I know?
Enzo
August 20, 2009 at 9:21PM EST Reply to CommentI know I'm retreading old ground here, but how could we not be giving Cameron the benefit of the doubt?
I would have put my money down for this ticket, sight unseen. The point of filmmaking is to tell stories, and Cameron's stories are usually amongst the best. It's not about CG this or $300M that - look for the story, and I'm pretty sure you'll see something that transcends any technical issues or shortcomings.
And don't forget that this fiml is NOT finished. We may be seeing 'trailer shots' that may be rectified (not that I see problems!) by the time the release happens in a few months time.
Look forward to hearing the 'reviews' of the 15 minute preview.
t1 avatar crew member : "Avatar IS photo real. and you will believe it is a real place once you have seen it in its final form. you Devin and the rest of the negative druids will eat everyone of your words come December 18th."
August 20, 2009 at 9:26PM ESTbig words. i think this hatred trailer is exactly the trailer cameron wants to show. we see all and nothing. just flashlight-scenes. this trailer suggests you to think: mmh its cartoon-style its fake its ...not that great.. but it is... watch the hd version press pause enlarge the fucking screen click trough the scenes : awesome... hair feet hands ( all the fucking nerves handlines: its all there..) of the navis are awesowme.. im from europe maybe my english is not that good but i think you understand.. for me its like this: youre all get punked haters!!!hahahahah
JoeK
August 20, 2009 at 10:33PM EST Reply to CommentThis whole internet movie fandom thing is completely and utterly borked right now and has been for too long already. I'm not throwing everyone under the bus because I know there are sane people out there that can engage with their (or someone else's) imaginations free of preconditions but those aren't the people posting rants about movies seen or unseen on the internet. Sadly the loudest voices (not the most insightful or valuable, critical or otherwise) now drives nearly all cultural consensus *deserved or not). Too much power has been ceded to a minority that is stripping away the things we love merely for sport and because they are enabled to, unchallenged. I agree with everything you said here Drew. I'm just sickened, regardless if the movie is good or not. This has happened too many times. I'd personally like to see some of the powers that be take a stand, however they can, against the tide. Whether that's smart or not I don't know but I know how it would make me feel to see it.
YackBacker
August 20, 2009 at 10:35PM EST Reply to CommentHey Drew,
I am NOT a fan of James Cameron in general (I think he is visionary and talented, however he is emotionally stunted as a storyteller, with his heavy-handed dialogue in many of his films). That being said, I found the AVATAR trailer to be exciting. I love sci-fi, and as you so keenly stated, this is an original work, not a remake or a rehash. I do believe some of the CGI work looks "off" in some ways (I was surprised by that to be honest). And if those are the final shots, there may be some problems, but I am fully prepared and enthusiastic for this movie. The teaser was very well-crafted. It felt "big" without the usual trailer tricks (the chorus of the apocalypse, etc.). I do see where the "haters" are coming from, but they are defintitely overreacting.
readyoufool
August 20, 2009 at 10:44PM EST Reply to CommentI'm so sick of "fandom". Fandom gave us (and was hilariously unable to sustain) Snakes On A Plane. Fandom LIKED Transformers 2. Fandom has a very poor track record. "We liked Dark Knight, didn't we?" Yeah, and so did every critic and every person who went to see it. Why? Because it wasn't a NERD FILM. it was a GOOD film. You're right Drew, Cameron needs to flip the bird to fandom and do what the fuck he wants to do. Didn't this thing cost like $300 million? Who needs Fandom? They couldn't even sustain Snakes On A Plane, they're not the primary audience for Avatar because they suck and pandering to them will guarantee failure and ensure that no more "risks" are taken by studios.
antpred
August 20, 2009 at 10:50PM EST Reply to CommentIMO, the argument that the CG looks bad is a cop out. Anyone who thinks that you can make ten foot tall, blue, lumenescent aliens "photo-real" is a mental infant. Don't think there are a lot of ten foot tall actors roaming around who could be made up to look this. Audiences want original stories that take them to new plances.Sorry to say, but the days of actors made up as aliens has bee tapped out. Also, there is a little thing called suspension of disbelief that is required to enjoy almost any movie, or do these critics really believe that there is a man in an iron suit flying around fighting bad guys, or a guy in a bat costume roaming the night time of a major US city? Let the Cameron tell his story, if after you've seen the movie you don't like it fine, but at least try not to suck the life out of the rest of us. Besides those closeups of the aliens look like actors in make-up which is the real test of the effects work, subtle but powerful.
JoeK
August 20, 2009 at 10:50PM EST Reply to CommentThe other thing is...as much as people claim to want to see something they haven't seen before...they seldom embrace the opportunity. If this trailer had been heavier on the hardware and featured one of Cameron's peerless action sequences I'm sure the dimwits would be wallowing in the conventional glory of it all. I'm more than certain Cameron will deliver the goods in that regard but an understated assembly of images, scenes and ideas no one is immediately and intrinsically familiar with? Yeah we can take a crap on that all day. When I see people saying crap like Ferngully and Smurfs I know precisely who we're dealing with, and we all know they deserve a punch (several) in the nads on general principle.
mookiedood
August 20, 2009 at 11:35PM EST Reply to CommentI ran the trailer at home for the family. I had heard great things of course, but was prepared for a diminished experience because my monitor is not 70 feet tall and in 3D.
But my 11 year old, who hasn't read a word of hype, watched the trailer and shared my general reaction:
"The characters looked pretty computer animated."
Just didn't look realistic, in terms of both fluid movement and textures. When the guy in the wheelchair rolls down the ramp at the beginning, I just kept staring at how fake his faceplate looked ... like how they plugged those faces into the helmets of that first TR2N trailer.
Maybe we've been spoiled by Pixar, I don't know, and maybe my kids have become animation snobs because of it (and they really don't care for motion capture CGI much), but I have to say that the backgrounds looked gorgeous but the CG characters looked pretty disappointing.
Dingbatty
August 20, 2009 at 11:56PM EST Reply to CommentForbid that we don't instantly love everything thrown at us. That, and I've never been that enamored of Cameron's movies, to begin with -- they are entertaining enough, but I've never worshiped them like others have.
And I don't care about the CG quality--the story itself seems awkward and the premise is worn out. That, and Sam Worthington and Zoe Saldana are wooden actors.
As for the style and design, it looks like an oil painting from the cover of a 1980's scifi/fantasy. Like something done by Jim Burns or Larry Elmore. I don't know if that is a good thing or not. I can appreciate that style out of nostalgia, and it would be appropriate for something set or inspired by the era, but after the real-world grit/verisimilitude of D-9, Avatar may come across as cutesy or too fantastical. I'm sure I'll still see it and enjoy it, but Avatar is definitely going to get D-9's sloppy seconds from my eyeballs.
August 21, 2009 at 12:04AM EST Reply to CommentAs always, Drew, you're an unflinching voice of reason. I don't agree with any of the extreme vitriol, and despite my quoted barb at the film I cannot fucking wait for opening day, but I think a lot of the disappointment is understandable. It's the system's fault and we're all a part of the system.
I'm just a movie goer. I'm not an insider. I don't know anything about budgets, I don't know anything about what Cameron is up against suit wise. All I know is what I read from people who are in a position of know. So when I read on your Twitter feed months ago (and I know this was you quoting someone else) "it's like the T-Rex scene for two hours", well, that's a fucking legendary green monster of a wall to clear.
So no, I'm not expecting AVATAR to recombine my DNA, but I am expecting, at the very least, for it to match a comparable accomplishment from over 15 years ago. Yes, the technology behind the trailer is far more advanced than the Twitter hate (me included) is giving it. Yes, there are moments of magic, but there's no curtain of illusion to it.
Not yet.
fortunesfool
August 21, 2009 at 4:23AM EST Reply to CommentAs a long time Cameron fanatic I was underwhelmed initially, especially since I watched the french trailer while Apple was borked. Having watched it a few more times in HD my initial fears have receeded and I now feel like i've had a glimpse at something special. I trust Cameron to deliver an emotionally engaging, as well as spectacular, movie.
Having said that, I still think they could have done a more intriguing teaser, as opposed to editing the story down to a minute. Cameron has done same great teasers in the past, but this seems like a studio hack job. To the average punter this will just look like just another cgi armies shooty film.
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