An open letter to the worst human being to ever sit in a theater
A screening of 'This Means War' raises a question about how much is too much
This was just one of the ways I considered solving my problem tonight.
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I considered my options carefully.
My first impulse, one which I wrestled with for about a half-hour, was to use my elbow to strike you once in the throat, as hard as possible, hoping that if I were to crush your windpipe completely, it would silence you.
Obviously, there are drawbacks to that approach, not the least of which would be the assault charge. I'd hate to have to deal with bail just because I went to see a review screening of "This Means War," so I restrained myself.
But I want you to know… it was not easy.
Let's back up a bit. I'd like to try to have an actual dialogue here, and that probably isn't going to happen if I start by describing imagined violence against your person. It's not my fault, though. It really isn't. You need to take some responsibility because your conduct tonight was so above and beyond horrible that I can't believe you are allowed out in public without a leash, a handler, strong medication, or some combination of the three.
First of all, if you're the person I intend this letter for, then you were at the 7:00 screening of "This Means War" at the AMC Century City theater tonight. You sat in the second row, and you appeared to be in your mid-50s or early-60s. You are a silver-haired woman who spent a fair amount of the pre-show loudly explaining to the people in front of you that the gentleman you were at the theater with tonight is from Argentina. You seemed to want everyone to know that. People in other auditoriums were probably aware of it based on how emphatic you were and how many times you said it.
My wife is from Argentina. So we both dig Argentinians. Good. There we go. There's a common ground we can start from. That's always important, figuring out something that you have in common with someone else. It may be our only common ground, though, because I am not garbage wrapped in skin, unable to control myself in a manner befitting social contact with other human beings, and you, evidently, are. I've been an avid film fan for roughly 35 years now, and in that time, you are without question the worst human being I have ever sat next to.
It's not even close. I've met my fair share of ill-mannered boors. I've heard people who were chemically incapable of shutting their mouths. I've seen a homeless man remove his pants and poop in a popcorn bucket. And yet, I would buy that man a ticket to join me for another film before I would willingly sit next to you again. That is how low you have set the bar. I am almost in awe of your horrifying lack of social grace.
It started before the lights went down, but to be fair, I was actually betting that the woman on the other side of me, the one who dragged out a giant knitting project and who spent twenty minutes talking about how she snuck her cell phone into the theater because "nobody's going to tell me I can't use my phone if I want to," was going to be the nightmare. And while much of what poured out of the awful hole in the front of her skull made me wish I'd been born deaf, she at least grasped the general idea that when the lights went down, it was time for her to be quiet. She put away her knitting needles. She watched the movie. And she was perfectly fine.
You, on the other hand, took the opportunity when the lights went down to begin a running narration that only occasionally actually had anything to do with what was onscreen. As the 20th Century Fox logo came up, you mentioned to your companion, "You know, I like Fox. I like that they give us unlimited concessions." I only wish you had availed yourself of more of them so that you had less time with an empty mouth. Unfortunately, two pieces of pizza, a pretzel, a large popcorn, ice cream, and the diet soda you were so proud of did not manage to keep your maw busy for the full two hours. And that was a shame.
Now, here's where I need your help. I need to know how you would have wanted me to handle things differently tonight. Because I thought all three attempts I made to ask you to perhaps take it down a decibel or two were polite and well-mannered. I have this bizarre tendency to treat people with a modicum of respect even when they don't deserve it, because I am aware that I am a 6'2" guy and that I look like a mental patient when I'm angry. It rarely works out when I approach someone with my dander up, because I seem to activate the flight-or-fight response in people. I went out of my way to be courteous when I asked you to please stop talking. All three times.
Here's where things sort of fell apart. All three times, your response was to lean away from me as if I had just started throwing up in your ear. You ignored me, and you refused to even look at me. You stopped speaking for a combined total of maybe 20 seconds, and then immediately went back to it.
I'm glad you enjoyed the movie. Really. I am glad your long incarceration is over and you have finally been allowed audiovisual entertainment again, and I would imagine after being locked in a dungeon for the aggressively stupid, anything would seem amazing. I don't think my own enjoyment of Chelsea Handler's sex jokes matched yours, but I'm fine with someone digging something more than I do. I admit I found it disturbing when you would throw yourself from side to side as if gripped by a seizure, and spilling my drink on me repeatedly probably didn't help my mood at all. It is also probably not appropriate for you to slap my arm while you clap like Billy Madison on Nudie Magazine Day. Technically, I think I could make the case that I feared for my life and that any and all physical response was a matter of self-defense. You know how you were sitting with your legs curled up under you and you kept putting your shoes on me? You remember that? Would it surprise you to know that i find feet disgusting and the idea of you putting your feet on me makes my skin crawl? Would it shock you to learn that all fifteen times you did it, and all fifteen times I pushed your feet away, that was because I WANTED YOU TO TAKE YOUR FEET OFF OF ME? Or that I considered taking them off of you completely and then feeding them to you?
Again, though… that's obviously a line I can't cross. I can't pick you up by your little chicken head and shake you until I am rewarded with a wet snap that ends the party of stupidity that is your daily life. I can't use the steps of the theater to reproduce the funniest scene from "American History X." Those aren't things I can do, no matter how richly you might beg me for them. So how then do we handle this next time?
When you go to a movie theater and you treat it like it's your living room, sharing every horrifying spasm of that flaccid muscle occupying space between your eyes, you have to understand that it is intolerable. I suspect you made a choice tonight that your enjoyment was more important than the enjoyment of anyone else in that theater, and that you routinely make that same choice. I don't believe anyone is as horrible as this woman was without being firmly aware of it. So I'm asking… on the record… how do we handle this differently next time?
Do you want me to stand up over you and loudly ask you how recent your head injury was and applaud you for your brave attempts to overcome your behavioral issues? Do you want me to simply take the top off my drink and pour it in your lap in an effort to cool you down? Do you want me to join in your conversation and share my honest opinion of your honest opinion of the shirt Tom Hardy is wearing? Tell me how to handle you, and I'll give it a try.
And even if you're not that particular person, let me throw the question out to all of you on a larger scale. What do we do? What is too much, and what recourse is left to us at this point? If I was at the Drafthouse, I would have simply raised a card and watched the Drafthouse staff take tangible physical pleasure in the destruction of the simpleton, but unfortunately, not every theater is the Drafthouse. Even in LA, even in theaters where they charge a premium, there is no venue that will spend real energy removing a problem from the theater. They treat all theatergoers as equal, and it would take a criminal action to get them to step in and actually do something.
But not all theatergoers are equal. Tonight's screening was free, but I regularly pay full price to go see things, and my feeling is that we all pay the same thing to get in, but once you cross the line, you forfeit your ticket price. If there were a theater in LA that aggressively threw people out for using their phones or talking loudly or any of a dozen other activities that poison the room for people trying to watch a film, I would give that theater all of my money. I would drive to any part of LA for that privilege.
For now, though, I find myself dreading even a free screening, surrounded by people who technically do something that could be loosely described as "the same job" that I do. I think that scares me most of all. There is a chance that the freakshow I sat next to tonight is actually allowed access to writers and directors and actors, actually given permission to walk into rooms with them to discuss their work. This cancer with a bad haircut might actually show up at another screening I attend.
Tonight was the one and only time I will tolerate this person. I honestly can't say what I'll do if faced with them again. I can say it will be embarrassing, and it will no doubt hurt someone's feelings terribly. Then again, if you are so strikingly unaware of just how awful you are that you would behave the way this woman did in public, you may be beyond shaming.
Have we finally reached the point where we are powerless to take the moviegoing experience back from these animals?
Give me some indication that there is hope here. Please make me feel better about my options for the future.
Because after tonight, I can honestly say something I've never said before, something I didn't think could ever say: I hate going to a movie theater.
You broke me, lady. And I only wish I could have returned the favor.
Weigh in, folks. How do we make this better? Because it can't get much worse.
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Next 491 CommentsJeff Callahan
February 10, 2012 at 3:02AM EST Reply to CommentHere's an idea - switch seats.
Christina Smith No..because then she doesn't learn that her behavior is unacceptable. Why should she get away with it and everyone else suffer?
February 10, 2012 at 3:05AM ESTVoice of Reason Why should HE have to switch seats because of HER bad behavior? He should have loudly humiliated her by telling her to shut up and keep her feet to herself. If she STILL failed to behave like a civilized human, he should have fetched an usher to have the woman removed.
February 10, 2012 at 3:08AM ESTPERIOD. No excuse for that. Zero tolerance.
Werner You're totally right, Christina Smith. Now he wrote a letter on the internet that she will never read. I'm sure she really learned her lesson.
February 10, 2012 at 3:11AM ESTNina Rose It was a free screening , and considering that there were people sitting on both sides of him ... why would you assume that there weren't any other open seats ? I'm sure he was smart enough to consider moving , but he couldn't . And some people really need to get humiliated to understand that their behavior is ridiculous . She's certainly OLD enough to know that .
February 10, 2012 at 3:22AM ESTalynch I was at a midnight screening of Spider-Man 2. The people behind me were being obnoxiously loud, even during the quiet dialogue scenes. After about a half-hour of it, I snapped, turned around, and yelled at them to shut the fuck up, and they were quite for the rest of the movie. Now I'm not even the least bit intimidating looking, so I know they weren't scared of me or anything like that when they decided to quiet down. I think by being so blatantly confrontational, I put them on notice to the entire theater, and it made them much more self-conscious. Because chances are, if they're annoying you, then they're probably annoying most of the people around you.
February 10, 2012 at 3:23AM ESTThis is a bad technique if it's a situation where you think there's a decent chance that the confrontation will escalate into violence, but something like a free press screening seems like a situation where that's not very likely. So try that next time Drew. If nothing else, you'll make the perpetrator as uncomfortable as you.
The funny thing is a couple years later, my brother, who was at the movie with me, reminded me of the incident, and I had no memory of it at all. Upon being reminded, the memory eventually returned. The only explanation I can come up for it is that by allowing my anger to steadily build to boil and then let it out so suddenly, my brain interpreted it as some sort of traumatic experience and blocked it. Very weird.
alynch Oops, that was supposed to be it's own comment, not part of a thread.
February 10, 2012 at 3:23AM ESTJonfen Usually not an option in screening situations. Packed house. No seats available.
February 10, 2012 at 3:24AM ESTRon H. Here's an idea...YOU switch seats the next time someone is talking loudly in a movie theater then post another inane comment about how effective it was for you. Sounds like you are as much of a rude jerk as this harpy woman was.
February 10, 2012 at 3:27AM ESTnanchichi I know who you are talking about and I think they had kick her out of screenings !!! she use to hang with the old people that are always at the beginning of the line but something happen and she got in to a fight or change guys but she does have a problem on staying still but she needs to learn to respect!! and I am sorry u had such a bad time
February 10, 2012 at 3:35AM ESTFuzz Here's a better idea-put a stink bomb under her seat, break it, and walk as far away from the area as possible. Then, wait for the smell to arise and for everyone sitting around her to stand up and walk away...She'll be too busy jawing to notice the smell...So it will undoubtedly appear that she's the cause of the offensive odor that evacuates half of the theater.
February 10, 2012 at 3:54AM ESTJason @Jeff C: He's in the second row of a free private screening. I'm guessing the theater is full. Any other suggestions smart-ass?
February 10, 2012 at 9:04AM ESTAmanda Sowards Switch seats? At a 7pm screening at the AMC Cent. City? That's cute. You're not from here, are you, Jeff?
February 10, 2012 at 2:41PM ESTAmanda Sowards Switch seats? At a 7pm screening at the AMC Cent. City? That's cute. You're not from here, are you, Jeff?
February 10, 2012 at 2:41PM ESTAaron As a former manager of a 22 screen multi-plex theater, I believe confronting the rude individual once and then, if they continue, enlisting the help of a manager is the most appropriate way to go (I would always give the person who had to leave and complain a free pass if they felt like they missed part of the movie).
February 10, 2012 at 2:42PM ESTHaving said that, there was an night when a small white man told a large black man to shut up and received a broken nose and jaw for his trouble. The black man was later arrested, but it doesn't seem worth it. If you feel like the person is dangerous, have the theater staff deal with it.
Aaron P.S. Switching seats is passive. Rude people need to be confronted.
February 10, 2012 at 2:44PM ESTJason He really shouldn't have to move because she's an uncivilized beast. She should, IMO, be held accountable for her actions.
February 10, 2012 at 10:32PM ESTguest @Aaron: what does the race of the individuals involved in your story have to do with the proceedings?
February 11, 2012 at 3:04PM ESTdg101 @Guest Go visit a movie theater in a black neighborhood and then you can try to pull the race card.
February 13, 2012 at 7:09PM ESTJan B The woman was obviously a total moron and mentally challenged, sorry but I think I would have accidently thrown my drink over her,.... and somehow found my hands connecting with her face, no other way.
February 14, 2012 at 3:23AM ESTAlicia Switch seats? WOW you must be the only person, ever to consider that! Bravo to you, for giving it thought. You're probably a disruptive moviegoer yourself to give such idiot advice. You have to be.
February 14, 2012 at 5:11PM ESTusualracists @DG101 Try going to theater near the trailer park with a bunch of loud mouthed white boys or the spoiled suburban brats who are obviously drunk and high. You do not dare say anything to those crazies.
March 17, 2012 at 3:44AM ESTChristina Smith
February 10, 2012 at 3:04AM EST Reply to CommentAs a lover of the movie theater, and a hater of people you described, I am sad for you. I am very sorry that your experience was ruined. People like her are AWFUL and all too common. I am shy and reserved and VERY frightened of confrontation, so I would not have done anything different, I am sure...I wish I could, though. I would LOVE someone to put her in her place. I would love to be there next time you run into her/anyone like her.
BecitheGreat
February 10, 2012 at 3:06AM EST Reply to CommentIf you know how to gleek in someone's direction without getting it on any other patron, try that. The offender keeps getting random drops on their head and look up to see nothing. It's somewhat satisfying if not effective.
JimVincent WTF is wrong with you?
February 13, 2012 at 1:03PM ESTGrossed out BecitheGreat, that's called assault, and you should be arrested for that. My advice is to forget you have that "talent."
February 14, 2012 at 4:41AM EST563 Just so you're not alone, I fully support the idea of spitting on the heads of movie theater shitheels. Do it for those of us that can't spit that accurately.
February 14, 2012 at 5:18PM ESTSICKOFWHINERS GROSSED OUT, your are the definition of what's wrong with this country. It's not assault. Let me guess, your from LA or some other metropolitan area. You probably voted for Obama too.
February 16, 2012 at 5:05PM ESTMARK E. @Sickofwhiners, so when I get offended for something you did, I should unzip my pants and pee all over your head in response? Hurling ANY bodily fluid on another person in harmful intent is not only assault, but is grounds for that person to knock the shit out you. You, my friend, are the definition of what's wrong with this country.
March 15, 2012 at 1:02AM ESTLee Harvey
February 10, 2012 at 3:07AM EST Reply to CommentThe only way I keep my sanity is by doing this: I wait until the lights go down and the previews start and only then actually take my seat. I find one as far away from other people as I can while still being able to enjoy the view. That's it. Otherwise I can't go to the theater.
abhldr
February 10, 2012 at 3:07AM EST Reply to Commentexcellent article. i'll forward it to theaters in my area. take whatever action you deem appropriate next time. i await the results.
i have hated going to the theater for years. would love to be able to go back
Playhouse
February 10, 2012 at 3:08AM EST Reply to CommentStand up and directly in her way of the screen. From there, you can decide if you want to state things to her plainly or just continue to watch the film right in front of her.
Joz I did this twice. Once during the first screening of Star Wars. We'd waited in line for hours. Couple behind us were on a date - chatting and cooing - until I couldn't take it anymore. They got the message without harsh words between us.
February 14, 2012 at 3:31AM ESTThe second time, sadly, it didn't work. The group just laughed at me until I found another seat in the wrafters. Then I worried they'd be outside to beat me up. Is it worth it? No.
Major
February 10, 2012 at 3:08AM EST Reply to CommentYour restraint is to be admired. I thought just as you do during my reign of "free screenings" and always felt in the worst of company. Arrogance, entitlement and inconsideration go along with the public territory these days, but there is no excuse for being an asshole. Ever.
Kudos on your fortitude for writing this. I hope someone who knows her reads this. I hope they send it to her. I hope she reads it and feels awful.
Keep up the good fight.
Maj
Guest
February 10, 2012 at 3:08AM EST Reply to Comment"I've seen a homeless man remove his pants and poop in a popcorn bucket. And yet, I would buy that man a ticket to join me for another film before I would willingly sit next to you again."
Perfection
girlalamode That was priceless.... I agree.
February 10, 2012 at 8:31AM ESTFDM Nearly fell out of my chair.
February 11, 2012 at 12:11AM ESTChris Shared love of the art
February 14, 2012 at 7:15AM ESTMichael I was that homeless man. Sorry if I offended you.
February 15, 2012 at 7:59PM ESTPoppy I was that popcorn bucket. I was offended.
February 16, 2012 at 11:38PM ESTGuest I was the poop. Sorry for party rockin'
March 16, 2012 at 5:21PM ESTGreg
February 10, 2012 at 3:09AM EST Reply to CommentI'll ask a rude person to be quiet, nicely. Second time I give them the good ol' STFU. After that I go to management and get my money back. It's too much of a hassle to get someone thrown out nowadays
Jill
February 10, 2012 at 3:11AM EST Reply to CommentI'm so sorry to hear you say you're never going to a theater. DON'T LET THEM KEEP YOU DOWN!!!
Anywhoo. I'm not sure how we can make this better, because I thought there was an unwritten rule/rules that one followed in a theater.
1. Shut the hell up. If you need to talk whisper. if you can hear yourself, you're not whispering.
2. Sure, you can keep your cell phone, but you sure as hell better not answer a call.
3. Don't throw your popcorn.
4. Oh, and don't make out during the movie. I know the fact that the armrests move up is tempting, but just don't.
5. If someone asks you to be quiet, you'd best shut up. Not sure how all theaters treat "talkers" but around here in NY you'll get kicked out.
That seems basic enough to me. Unless I forgot something. What baffles me is that sometimes people lack the basic courtesy to stop talking during a movie when you ask them.
Mike I agree with everything stated except the make out part
February 10, 2012 at 11:23AM ESTdg101 The problem is...THEY AREN'T UNWRITTEN! They have notices before every single movie that tell you to turn off your phone and stop talking. People just think they're above the rules.
February 13, 2012 at 7:13PM ESTMP I don't care about #4 if the folks making out aren't making noise, blocking my view, or kicking my chair. But the rest are spot-on.
February 14, 2012 at 4:28PM ESTKate Not just talking on cell phones, but checking them -- the bright light in a darkened theater is very distracting. If you're not there to watch the movie, please remember that the rest of us are!
February 14, 2012 at 5:20PM ESTSerephin
February 10, 2012 at 3:11AM EST Reply to CommentPouring your soda on her would have been worth a shot. Just me (and I've never been to a theater in L.A.), but I would have still got up, searched out someone in management and strongly recommended they escort that disruptive asshole out of the building. Barring ejection or a baptism of Diet Coke, about all you can do is get the hell out of there and try another day.
Patti Serephin all your suggestions are fine but maybe the free showing was the only one he could afford, right now!
February 10, 2012 at 4:00AM ESTdrew It's not about "afford." It's about my schedule. I have obligations every night, and so most of the time, I have one available screening for review, and don't really have the option of just walking out and catching up with it later.
February 10, 2012 at 4:22AM ESTHilda If it's a press screening (I know how crowded they are), and if she actually is given passes for whatever job she does, it might be worth finding out her name so you can have her barred from other press screenings. (I don't know any producer or studio for that matter who wants to have their free screenings negatively affected by morons like her - it's hard to be positive about a movie when the experience of watching it was pure agony).
February 13, 2012 at 8:20PM ESTJames Li Forget the diet Coke, use regular Coke. With the former, the Coke evaporates. Using the latter, the sugar is sure to stick on her all night.
February 17, 2012 at 3:17AM ESTMatt
February 10, 2012 at 3:13AM EST Reply to Comment"Even in LA, even in theaters where they charge a premium, there is no venue that will spend real energy removing a problem from the theater. They treat all theatergoers as equal, and it would take a criminal action to get them to step in and actually do something."
You never came to my theater. I took pleasure in escorting these types out. I did it frequently, and I enjoyed it.
...But then again, you manage Drive-In during the summer and try telling me that the Drafthouse does a better job than we did.
Chrissy I was at a movie with a group of kids in the front row talking and using their cell phones. Someone got the usher but by the time he came in they'd hidden them. Given that he was only a couple years older than they were, I didn't expect much, and he didn't do anything since he didn't see anything. Wish they'd have some infrared cameras in there so management could zero in on situations like that.
February 10, 2012 at 9:17PM ESTGood for you for being vigilant, though. I just wish that were the norm.
WRSI (Infrared cameras? Cell phones aren't hotter than the stuff around them. Their bright, conspicuous screens are among the biggest reasons they're a problem in the theater to start with.)
February 15, 2012 at 10:05AM ESTWRSI (Also, given that the kids hid their phones by the time the usher got there, didn't this system work? What did you want -- eviction? scolding? criminal proceedings? The idea was to make the movie watchable. The kids seem to have gotten that message, at least for the length of time you were in the theater with them. Hey, you win.)
February 15, 2012 at 10:28AM ESTTana Butler
February 10, 2012 at 3:16AM EST Reply to CommentI'd agree with you, but you are clearly without compassion.
Something, SOMETHING, was going on with this woman which you do not understand. And it's all well and good for you to stick a pin in each of her points on a voodoo doll, but you're still missing something.
Your lack of understanding? I understand.
But if you got paid to write this hipster piece of judgmental crap?
Shame on YOU, Mister Hispter.
Carl The word 'hipster' (hispter?) has been slowly being pushed towards meaninglessness for some time. I would like to congratulate Tana for finishing the job.
February 10, 2012 at 3:31AM ESTMatt Joke, right? He's there to watch a movie, not psychoanalyze the babbling moron next to him.
February 10, 2012 at 3:39AM ESTFastbak Really? Being upset at rude behavior makes a person a hipster? You must be some kind of saint.
February 10, 2012 at 3:41AM ESTsinaphile Reply to comment...
February 10, 2012 at 3:43AM ESTsinaphile What could *possibly* have been going on with this woman that he did not understand? Or that the rest of us are not understanding? I do not understand your interpretation of this except for wanting to call someone a hipster
February 10, 2012 at 3:45AM EST
Drew, I think we found our culprit.
February 10, 2012 at 3:45AM ESTBrad Tana has an excellent point. After rereading the post, it seems that our deplorable movie-going friend may have been autistic, or had some other special needs. I am not a psychiatrist in any way shape or form, so dont think I'm diagnosing her and immediately validating her behavior, but this possibility at least changes my emotion toward this letter from "Why didn't you knock her teeth out?" to "Good for you to restrain yourself. You should feel blessed that you can do so, unlike others."
February 10, 2012 at 4:04AM ESTPS: Tana, I agree with Carl - the 'hipster' comment removed all your credibility. Sorry.
AC Hey Tana, you need to buy a clue, because you clearly are an absolute moron!!
February 10, 2012 at 4:27AM ESTDave She may indeed have some kind of personality or mental disorder. That does not give her the right to even be in the theatre. If you physically cannot behave in a way that is required for an activity, DON'T DO THAT ACTIVITY. It's like showing up to a two-man kayak trip when you don't have arms.
February 10, 2012 at 5:36AM ESTAlex Honestly, if she has a mental disorder, that prevents her from even possessing the mental capacities to comprehend her actions or the effect they have on those around her, she shouldn't be held accountable.
February 10, 2012 at 5:56AM ESTairbag Uhmm, guys, there's obviously something wrong with Tana. Have you hipsters no compassion?!?
February 10, 2012 at 10:07AM ESTMatthew Starr So let's pose a tough question here then. If someone has a mental disorder then everyone else in the theater has to suffer and not enjoy the film? Should people with mental handicaps have their own screenings or is that segregation? Someone advise on how to solve this issue.
February 10, 2012 at 11:59AM ESTClaudine Someone with a diagnosed mental disorder is not going to be a participant in a professional movie critic/reviewers screening. This woman is just tactless and self-absorbed.
February 10, 2012 at 2:29PM ESTPerhaps if people went to the theatre management, even during free screenings, explained the situation and asked for a pass to a later showing, management would tire of losing money over these disruptive individuals and would take action to remove them. On the other hand, I'm an optimist.
CinemaPsycho That was my first thought, that the woman was actually mentally ill and has serious behavioral problems. But how would she have gotten into a critics' screening? Maybe she's such a self-absorbed critic that she thinks she owns the damn theater and lives in it.
February 11, 2012 at 3:29AM ESTThe answer is to talk to the management and tell them exactly what this lunatic is doing. She is clearly crossing the line of acceptable behavior by putting her feet on you (!) and needs to be removed from the theater. I don't think this is a "hipster" issue given the film you were seeing (no real hipsters would see anything with Chelsea Handler in it), it's an issue of a woman being a selfish, stupid ass. If the management won't do anything about it, you should refuse to return to that theater, whether you pay to get in or not. Unacceptable.
LA_NATIVE A. we found our obnoxious a-hole or
February 11, 2012 at 8:50PM ESTB. we have one well in the making.
Wld8hrt If she was mentally disabled then shouldn't her Argentinian friend have kept her home? I think this is, as was said above, a result of the growing plague of self entitlement. And the feet on the seat thing? I have never understood that. How little class, knowledge about cleanliness, or simple respect must one have to do this? Do they not care that by engaging in this behavior that they are then not caring that they have their head, arm, or popcorn basically lying on the bottom of someone's shoe (or bare foot, as ive seen on many occasion)? I'm afraid to touch the bottom of my own shoe! I certainly wouldn't rest my head on it or eat popcorn off the bottom of it!
February 13, 2012 at 1:37AM ESTI go to these screenings a lot. Most of the people do act entitled but are basically harmless. I did however, encounter a woman about the same age at a screening who was just as rude as the one described. Maybe it was the same woman? It WAS a Fox screening! She was trouble the minute she walked in.
She saw the seat she wanted but it, and the seat next to it, was taped. Well she just ripped off the tape and sat down. One of the people running the screening told her that she couldn't sit there,it was reserved for a studio executive who would be arriving late and didn't want to disturb the other moviegoers. He respectfully offered to find her another seat. She made some rude comment and shoved her "VIP" ticket in his face.
Again, very calmly, she was asked to relocate. The gentleman had even found her the exact same seat on the other end of the aisle! Well, she stared at him for a moment and then started to fiddle with her purse. It looked like she was getting ready to stand and move.
She pulled out a magazine and started to read! Again she was asked to relocate. She ignored the man. Finally he said "so you are not going to move then"? No response.
The person two seats over from her said he could move his jacket and offer this extra seat. She said nothing but got up and moved over. She then gave the gentleman working the screening an odd, satisfied grimace. We soon discovered why.
The movie was about to start and she had a friend that came in for which she removed the tape again thereby getting her way and taking up that seat once again. She smiled wide at her triumph.
Then of course she talked and ate with her mouth open (why/when did that become proper behavior?).
AMC theaters tried once to solve this problem with buttons for the moviegoers that would summon theater staff to the theater with nobody else being the wiser. This of course didn't work because the same ass-hats that were the problem abused the system.
Let's all put our thinking caps on and find a solution! Love the article! Wish I was as articulate.
leafsfan68 Oh my god! I am absolutely appalled at the ignorant attitude towards disabilities. Perhaps we should just put these people away some where, so they don't disturb anyone.
February 13, 2012 at 2:00PM ESTJoe Camel I think the HIPSTER comment came about because the writer of this article took glaring social retardation at face value as a personal affront instead of exercising a little empathy. It's like people who see screaming children and whine that it's ruining their meal. Hipsters are notoriously narcissistic and forever bring any and every piece of minute drama back to the forefront of their self-spun mythology. Much like this goofy piece.
February 13, 2012 at 4:05PM ESTdg101 @LEAFSFAN68 Okay, bleeding heart. What's your solution to someone with mental disabilities ruining movies, especially ones you've paid for?
February 13, 2012 at 7:19PM ESTJoe Schmo For the record Joe Camel, it's not the screaming kiddies that ruin meals. It's their self-absorbed parents who refuse to parent. Just so we're all clear.
February 14, 2012 at 12:21AM ESTWRSI I had this same reaction, sans the returned fire of the "hipster" business. (Though frankly, the snarky tone is there.)
February 15, 2012 at 10:26AM ESTI volunteer at a place that rehabilitates people after traumatic brain injuries, strokes, and so on. We take field trips of various sorts -- to local sports teams, or to the zoo, for example.
People think of mobility problems after a spinal cord injury. There are plenty of behavioral consequences, too. In our volunteer orientation, before we were allowed to see one client, we were given a series of questions about that stuff. What happens if the client tries to borrow money for a soda at the baseball game? The center's approach is that patients often need to re-establish stuff like money management, so you shouldn't go there. That kind of thing.
The bigger picture is that yeah, you need to address inappropriate behavior, without somehow becoming the thing you're reacting to. The latter is where our writer failed here. Faced with a person who didn't respect him, he resorted to dehumanizing that person. (And various commentors chimed right in. 'How do we take theaters back from these animals?')
I'm not at all sure that delivering a rhetorical fusillade of a Web rant that includes multiple death threats (including a picture of a guy with an assault rifle) and a series of "worst human being ever" descriptions is helping you, let alone her. On a field trip I'd have clinical staff present. In a theater.... I guess you have to fetch whatever authorities are there, and do your best with that. Life isn't perfect, but you don't want to turn into the thing you despise, do you?
Dusty Hey, Tana, there is such a thing as "asshole who doesn't have some particular medical diagnosis that handwringing twatbuckets on the internet like to use as excuses."
February 16, 2012 at 3:00PM ESTJoe Camel: "It's like people who see screaming children and whine that it's ruining their meal." It *IS* ruining our meal. We pay for ambience as well as food. If you can't teach your spawn how to behave in public, take them to Chuck E. Cheese or slop them at home.
atmtn
February 10, 2012 at 3:16AM EST Reply to CommentI love everything about this. Other than the misery you suffered, naturally.
Lauren
February 10, 2012 at 3:17AM EST Reply to CommentI can understand your misfortune and I'm sorry you had to go through such an experience. It truly is depressing that people go into theatres caring for no one but themselves and act this way. I can honestly agree though that if there was a theatre somewhere in LA that actually kicked people out for suh transgressions I would pay any amount of money they asked just to attend.
Jameson This is absolutely the answer. If even one theatre would take this approach, they would immediately see such an increase in traffic that it would be crazy for others not to follow suit. Theatre owners seem to think we need fancier concessions or whiz-bang add-ons like 3D to coax us away from our home entertainment centers. All we need is some enforcement of the basic rules of moviegoing to restore some dignity to the experience. AMC, you have like two dozen locations across LA - why not try this at one of them for 8 weeks? I promise the results will amaze you.
February 10, 2012 at 8:52AM ESTChrissy God, yes. There are three non-Landmark theaters in Philly that show new movies (and one tiny place that shows maybe one new movie). Two of the three are completely unbearable, and the third is dicey. I would pay more to go see something like Chronicle or the Avengers on a nice big screen rather than via Netflix, but only if I feel reasonably sure my experience will be pleasant.
February 10, 2012 at 9:22PM ESTrogldr5 I would pay extra to go to such a place. Especially one that had screenings which do not allow children or teenagers. (slightly off the topic, but related, I think)
February 14, 2012 at 4:07PM EST
Reply to comment...ime 17 and consider myself quite polite at theaters. I talk quitely to my friend before it starts and only a few wuiteley and quickley whisped comments to my friend(s) through the rest. So I dont think its fair to say to ban all teenagers and kids. Should we ban all woman because of what this one woman did? No of course. Ageism its a thing ( I think h ha he hu).
February 14, 2012 at 6:31PM ESTBrad
February 10, 2012 at 3:17AM EST Reply to CommentYou were much too kind. I would have said loudly enough so that everyone in the theater heard "Ma'am, this is NOT your living room, would you kindly SHUT UP or LEAVE this theater now !" ... if that didn't work, I'd go get a manager or security person for the screening, explain that I'm a reviewer, this is my job, and this woman needs to be removed from the theater.
Albert
February 10, 2012 at 3:20AM EST Reply to CommentJust fuck being polite when someone else isn't. Not just in movie theaters, but in your entire life. Those of us who treat others with respect by default (decent people) put up with too much crap from people who don't just because we want avoid confrontation. We all need to start treating rude, inconsiderate, and altogether shitty people like what they are. If that leads to fights, so be it. I'd rather a fist fight and a ban from a particular movie theater or restaurant or whatever than continue to just put with people who can't grasp the concept that there are other people in the world besides them.
Daredevil The fact that you'd rather get into a fight and cause physical harm to someone than deal with the reality that rude people exist means you are one of the ones that can't grasp that other people exist besides you. Also, you might want to seek anger managment counseling.
February 10, 2012 at 5:16PM ESTdana Daredevil, do you know the definition of anger MANAGEMENT? It seems he MANAGED his anger quite effectively. It's fun to throw psychological buzz words around though, isn't it?
February 11, 2012 at 10:53AM ESTHunt "An Eye for an Eye makes Every Man Blind."
February 14, 2012 at 11:30PM ESTBig Jay
February 10, 2012 at 3:20AM EST Reply to CommentAs an avid fan and film nut, I can honestly say that the overall experience of going to the movies has flat out become miserable. From $15 tickets, to packs of teens who won't shut up, to cell phone gabbers in the middle of the movies, the total lack of respect for anyone but their own selfish interests has killed my willingness or desire to spend my previously routine ticket budget in my local theater. I would rather wait for Blu-Ray or Netflix, than walk out disgusted with my wasted $ and terrible experiences. If Hollywood wants to fix their lack of box office receipts, maybe start with making sure the customer can actually focus on the story on the screen, instead of the idiot breathing down your neck who's playing "Mystery Science Theater," which no one wants to hear. I'm sorry your experience sucked, but take solace in knowing, you're far from alone.
Claire This, completely.
February 10, 2012 at 12:13PM ESTBig D AMEN! Haven't been to a movie in a LONG time because of this.
February 10, 2012 at 3:25PM ESTKate Like my Daddy always said: you vote with your dollars. If those who find the theater environment not conducive to watching the movie would walk out and demand their money back (politely explaining why so it's a learning experience for the management of course), it would have an impact. We've lost our sense of appropriate behavior, with "tolerance" the buzzword for looking the other way when we should speak up or not patronize the establishment that allows the behavior, no matter what it is.
February 14, 2012 at 5:32PM ESTforg
February 10, 2012 at 3:22AM EST Reply to CommentI can't believe how insensitive she was! The theater employees should have done something
Here in my country, people are not like that, sure we have people talking incessantly but they could be told to shut up when people shush them.
the worst theater experience I had was with kids crying/whining to their parents but most of the time the parents leave the theater so as not to disturb the other people.
BunnyMellon That will not work at an industry screening as I was told today that they are almost always full,no seats left and only a guy running the projection,no theater attendants. It is the law of the jungle so bring your switchblade.
February 10, 2012 at 8:20PM ESTUGABugKiller
February 10, 2012 at 3:23AM EST Reply to CommentOpposite George knows how to handle this situation. The threat of physical violence is all you need, not the act itself. :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzxfivZF9Yk
mike The threat of physical violence is still both illegal and actionable. Not that this excuses a-holes who talk in a movie theater, but just - y'know - not a great idea in practice.
February 10, 2012 at 2:04PM ESTMattattack
February 10, 2012 at 3:24AM EST Reply to CommentSounds like you say next to a retarded sea lion with verbal diarrhea (which is totally unfair to retarded sea lions). So sorry. Also: I may never go to a movie again.
Len Berry
February 10, 2012 at 3:24AM EST Reply to CommentYears ago, I had my own bad theater experience. I went and saw Harry Potter 2, but I couldn't hear it because everyone else (all college age or older due to it being a late night show) wouldn't shut up.
My opinion is that during the movie everyone else WILL shut up. The first time I hear noise, I might let it go if it's brief. The second, maybe even the third, will get a "Ssshhhh" from me. After that comes, "Please be quiet," followed by, "Be quiet, I'm trying to watch the movie." Finally comes all 6'8" of me getting up, getting the theater staff, and directing them to that person's location and asking them to be removed.
We are paying way too much money to miss hearing or seeing movies. I just won't take disruptive people any more.
Will You went and saw Harry Potter 2 "years ago?" Wow, we muffles weren't allowed to see it until last year.
February 10, 2012 at 9:27AM ESTAlex Hey Will,
February 10, 2012 at 10:07AM ESTDo you think he meant the 2nd Harry Potter movie, which came out in 2002? Maybe take a breath before being a douche.
Jordan Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets came out November 15, 2002.
February 10, 2012 at 11:25AM ESTTracyS "muffles"...haha...
February 10, 2012 at 2:36PM ESTShade Rupe I do the same thing now, Len. I wrote a piece on Facebook about a woman who pulled out an IPAD during a rare 35mm print screening. I asked her to turn it off and 20 minutes later she turned it back on. I walked over and told her to turn it off, she just put it next to her chest. Five minutes later she was using it again and I walked over and took it from her and turned it off and she went out in the hall to use it. This was two weeks ago. I speak up now. I sit in the back of theaters so I see every cell phone. When they go on I loudly say, 'TURN YOUR CELL PHONE OFF!' We all have to be in on this. People on internet threads who make poor jokes, be damned.
February 25, 2012 at 11:07AM EST
February 10, 2012 at 3:24AM EST Reply to CommentI cant say I would have done anything differently, but I can commiserate. Two middle aged women behind me in SATC movie had A) never seen the show and apparently were shocked by sex scenes. B) had no decernable fashion sense but decided they were Heidi Klum and commented on EVERY outfit.
I didnt see another movie in the theaters for about a year after that. You at least said something. I gave a bunch of vicious head turns in their direction to no avail. I think those people dont actually like movies, its just something to do.
Imagine if you were sitting with them for "Sex and the City 2."
February 10, 2012 at 3:28AM EST
Haha, I probably wouldnt have minded so much. Their commentary may have been a welcome addition to that one!
February 10, 2012 at 3:37AM ESTAlthough a bad movie is still no excuse for bad manners.
KC As a gray haired older woman - I tremble when I see a gaggle of them at the movie theatre. They are by far the worst. Even the teenager who laughed at every moment of Girl w/ the Dragon Tattoo --until the big scene -- was not as offensive and reluctant to behave as they are. I am ashamed of my demographic. Girls night out doesn't mean go sit in the theatre and gab about your douche bag husbands/boyfriends/bosses.
February 10, 2012 at 5:05PM ESTJoseph As a middle aged man, I tremble when I see a gray haired older woman with a friend, as my experience has been that they seem to think they can talk as loud as they want, as often as they want. My point being, there is no one demographic that ruins movies - it's self-centered, clueless, and rude people in general, which, unfortunately, is a demographic that crosses all age/race/gender lines.
February 28, 2012 at 12:34PM ESTMarkey mark
February 10, 2012 at 3:28AM EST Reply to CommentBravo sir. locked in a dungeon for the aggressively stupid is a great line. We live in a world of half-retarded ass faced old morons. That is why I thought of offering my services as a movie theater body guard. For a few bucks I will sit next to you and beat down any of the chumps that destroy movies. Together we can create a new job market and send a message at the same time.
airbag If you're going after the old morons, a worthy target, you also have to include the grotesquely entitled millennials who won't stop texting or checking their messages.
February 10, 2012 at 10:12AM ESTJennekke
February 10, 2012 at 3:34AM EST Reply to CommentIt would all depend on the movie for me. If it was one that I would not want to miss a moment of, I would just switch seats, but I'd make it a point of telling her what I was doing and that she is the reason I'm doing it.
If switching seats is not an option, I'd do something like pass her a note that simply said, "SHUT UP FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!!"
If it was a movie that's not a big deal to miss a moment of, as most rom-coms are, I'd go get a manager and tell them what's going on.
Other then that, I'm out of ideas.
Robert Licuria
February 10, 2012 at 3:35AM EST Reply to CommentBrilliant Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant!!!!
rmcgee
February 10, 2012 at 3:35AM EST Reply to CommentWow, I'm sure she was annoying. Calm down.
val
February 10, 2012 at 3:38AM EST Reply to CommentI've been in your shoes. Back in the day we could ask an usher to handle it. Today our only recourse is to prevail upon management. I'm not ashamed to say I had a woman thrown out of Harry Potter because she couldn't control her 3-year-old, who had no business in tbe theater. We have to stand up to these people, or they will continue to go through life acting badly...and making us miserable.
hungrypiemonger oh god, I had to deal with a crying baby on the last movie I went to see...the expendables??? We ejected them pretty quick. Jersey doesn't tolerate that crap.
February 10, 2012 at 11:03AM ESTpkmoney Amazing. I too had to get an usher to throw out a woman sitting next to me who brought a poor, restless, crying baby to a 10pm showing of...you guessed it! The Expendables!
February 13, 2012 at 2:48PM ESTMark
February 10, 2012 at 3:39AM EST Reply to CommentThere needs to be a code of conduct. Might I suggest http://www.bbc.co.uk/5live/films/code_of_conduct.pdf
guest There is a code of conduct at AMC Theatres. Contact a manager. great letter!!!
February 13, 2012 at 2:53PM ESTAbstruse
February 10, 2012 at 3:40AM EST Reply to CommentDrew, all I'm going to say is that, even with the seething hatred and barely-contained violence in your post, I have to say that you are a friggin' SAINT. I've gotten into verbal altercations (and one time, almost a physical one) for far less than you up with tonight.
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