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Recap: 'Fringe' Finale - 'The Day We Died'

Fringe ends its third season with a finale head-scratching on every level

<p>Joshua Jackson and Anna Torv of 'Fringe'</p>

Joshua Jackson and Anna Torv of 'Fringe'

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So can “Fringe” make me forget this hour ever happened, the way that it made everyone in the show forget Peter ever existed?

OK, that’s a strong statement. And not entirely accurate. But let’s be frank: that was a 55-minute dream sequence followed by five minutes that set up Season 4. And while predicting that last five minutes was essentially impossible, the fact that everything we saw unfolding up until that point was either 1) a potentiality or 2) a reality that would be undone at some point robbed the proceedings of anything resembling drama or tension. And that’s a shame. I’ve championed this show long before covering here at HitFix. I’ve reviewed every single hour of it. And I’m not sure I’ve been more disappointed by any single episode of the show more than I was by this one.

[Full recap of Friday's (May 6) "Fringe" finale after the break...]

That’s not to say it was the show’s worst hour. Far from it. But let’s compare/contrast what the show did with Earth 2026 as opposed to Over There. The latter had one thing that the former didn’t: stakes. That world was foreign to us, but home to people that we came to care about. That was due not only to the amount of time narratively spent over there, but the knowledge that they were in the same predicament as those Over Here. By playing with both perspectives as equally valid, “Fringe” played with the notion of perspective in narrative with a deft hand. Know how they say history is written by the victors? We the audience spent the year on the outside looking in, wondering which version of the story would last, sitting in the unique position of remembering both.

What we got tonight wasn’t a slice of the single, definitive story of what unfolded after the destruction of Over There. What unfolded was more akin to a “What If?” comic, with all the emotional heft of a one-off involving Bruce Wayne marrying Lois Lane. It’s interesting to read such a story, to be sure. But the level of emotional involvement one has with it is diminished than compared to a story in-canon. The beauty of having only two universes (as opposed to, say, “Crisis on Infinite Fringes”) lay in the way that the show didn’t deal with a myriad of theoretical possibilities: it dealt with two singular universes. But in undoing “The Day We Died” by sending Peter back to the present (and then, ultimately, out of existence) in the last act of the season, the show undid a lot of that hard-earned narrative work and, in the process, potentially a lot of heard-earned audience trust.

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The joy in watching Fauxlivia this season wasn’t in seeing what might happen if our version existed in another reality. The joy was in seeing how similar building blocks formed two related yet fundamentally different people by virtue of environment, history, and thousands of small decisions that ultimately form a life. By halfway through the season, I hated the moniker “Fauxlivia,” because I felt it did a disservice to what the show was putting forth. However, constantly typing out “the Olivia who is every bit as real as ours but has Lincoln Lee for a boss” would have been cumbersome. Fauxlivia isn’t fake Olivia. She’s very, very real. But the Olivia that got shot in the head in 2026? That chick’s totally fake.

She’s fake because that version of the character, along with all the nice little character moments built in for her, were erased the moment Peter came back to 2011. It’s not that the world from which she came was eradicated: it’s the reality from which she came that was eradicated. And with the episode all but shouting, “TIMESPACE WORMHOLES ARE EVERYWHERE, COME HIT YOUR RESET BUTTONS HERE!” throughout the hour, I couldn’t be bothered about the fates of anyone in this world. It was just a place we were visiting for a little under an hour, during which Walter turned into Doctor Exposition and filled us in on a decade-plus of history that also now never happened. I need a drink. Maybe Future Me will send a case of beer through a wormhole.

Waiting. Still waiting. Damnit.

Anyways, those wormholes didn’t just deliver Peter’s consciousness back in time. They also sent pieces of the Doomsday Device back as well, thanks to Walter’s headache-inducing paradox by which Theoretical Future Him sent pieces of the machine back to the Paleozoic Era. This helps explain why supposedly ancient civilizations could produce such monumentally complex pieces of machinery and then scatter it across the globe. It’s a decently neat trick that “Fringe” did here, but largely serves to once and for all separate “The First People” from “The Observers,” a group who apparently really hate the reality of Peter Bishop.

People with stronger mental fortitude than I can try and tease out why The Observers needed Peter Bishop to act as the literal as well as figurative bridge between the two worlds. I’m assuming that his dual citizenship, so to speak, positioned him uniquely in the history of the universe. But we’re three seasons into the show, and we know that The Observers dig super spicy food, occasionally get involved more than they should with human existence, and seem relieved that Peter never existed. That’s it. I imagine Season 4 will finally shed some light on these mysterious folks as The Walter/Olivia pairs try to work together, but I’m so confused by the choice to erase Peter from existence that I can’t possibly work out what’s to come.

But I’m still tempted to look ahead, since looking back is pretty painful right now. That Peter learned both worlds need to co-exist was predicted by…well, almost everyone. Today’s study question: did the show need to send Peter to the future to learn this fact? I’d say no. Emphatically. But since the show decided to go there, I suppose it’s good that it only went there for one hour and say, not an entire season. Maybe that could have allowed time to find out what terrible thing happened in Detroit with Broyles. Or perhaps we could have seen, not simply heard about, The People v. Walter Bishop. But that also would have been the science fiction equivalent of Bobby Ewing in the shower. And would make me want to punch Jean the Cow in the udder.

Normally, I have a lot more to say about “Fringe.” I love it for its audacious concepts, and love it even more for the heart it puts into each character. But tonight, I spent most of the hour with characters I didn’t even know. That choice transformed what should have been a heart-wrenching hour into an academic exercise, an exercise that an admittedly head spinning final five minutes couldn’t remotely save. Perhaps the search for Peter will yield the type of all-too-human drama that the show generally produces. But that search will have to wait until the Fall. For now, I can only sit here, sigh, and wonder how a show that usually gets it so right got this so wrong.

 

Enough of my take. What did you think of the season finale? Can you IMAGINE if this had actually been the SERIES finale? Or did this actually work for better than I’m giving it credit for? Sound off below! 

 

 

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    velociraptor

    i thought it was great

    May 6, 2011 at 11:15PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Observer from Brazil Tip from an Observer...Pay attention on the details... The badges of some characters are different when Peter "joins" the two Universes: FBI badge with Olivia is different and her face changes as she never knew Peter, the badge of the cientist in white goes from "back white" to "back blue"... and where's Broyles?... he helped Olivia with the stairs then suddenly gone... And what about the clock? (5:20... 60 seconds said twiece and then 5:26). So Peter'd fallen into a third Universe where he never existed.... "AH...HAHAHAHAH!!!"

      June 8, 2011 at 3:50PM EST
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    Confused

    Why/How did Peter just disappear like that?

    May 6, 2011 at 11:20PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Grifter Through something that he changed with time travel...he ceased to exist. In fact he never existed. Think of it this way. You travel back in time, you kill your father and mother before they meet and birth you. You simply "bleep" out of existence afterwards because you had never been born. Now what happened precisely to make Peter cease to exist? No idea.

      May 7, 2011 at 6:14AM EST
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      Disappointed Except that Peter did not travel to the past. He traveled to the future. Nothing in what he did would have logically led to his ceasing to exist. And I'm not terribly happy about the whole "we are the first people" stunt that the show tried to pull. Now the doomsday machine basically does not have an origin. There are a lot of other things I could pick apart, but I have neither the time nor the energy to do so. I get that suspension of disbelief is a necessity with this sort of show, but I just wish the writing was strong enough to abide by its own internal logic. Beyond that, the episode was just bad. I could tolerate this sort of one-off, no-stakes episode in the middle of a season, but as a finale? It completely derailed the narrative momentum. I don't altogether object to where this episodes leaves us for next season (with the exception of Peter's disappearance, but we all know that will be temporary), but they could have handled it so much better. The time travel was unnecessary and needlessly complicated matters. He could have simply got into the machine at the end of the last episode and that could have led to the alternates crossing over. That was the only interesting part of the episode and it could have happened without the 40 minutes of filler preceding it.

      May 7, 2011 at 7:40AM EST
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      webdiva Peter cannot cease to exist because if Walter hadn't gone to the other universe to bring him to this one, there wouldn't have been any holes/problems for the two universes to fix -- AND no purpose for the machine in the first place. Besides, nobody's explained who built the machine in the first place -- all they've (almost) explained is that Walter sent the pieces back in time, supposedly. But someone still had to make them the first time. So who did, and why??

      None of this makes sense, and this was a stupid episode for such an otherwise intriguing and intelligent show. They really screwed up here.

      May 9, 2011 at 4:24AM EST
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      webdiva Besides, if Peter never existed, there's no reason to fuse the two universes ... so why are they still there together? I'd have thought everyone would go home to their proper places.

      May 9, 2011 at 4:31AM EST
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    stevehbk

    I did NOT think it was so great. The show has been losing its heart lately, and tonight was total cardiac arrest. Maybe it was an interesting twist to the story, but it also seemed like a cheap way to turn. I agree with Ryan that it was hard to care about these "fake" characters. This is one of my favorite shows and I'll be anxiously awaiting season 4, but this was NOT a quality way to end season 3. Reprehensible actually. On the other hand, Justified set the bar for season finales Wednesday night. Right up there with The Sheild, SOA, and Lost for season ending drama.

    May 6, 2011 at 11:21PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Too Late Kev

    I'm incredibly glad this isn't the series finale, because they have to do something to make this right.

    I love your comment about how they've potentially undone a lot of hard-earned audience trust. It's a shame that it's months before we can see if they re-earn that quickly.

    As to this: "I need a drink. Maybe Future Me will send a case of beer through a wormhole." -- I think I'll re-watch tomorrow night, but with a nice Kahlua drink to soften the blow.

    May 6, 2011 at 11:21PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Jay

    Are you kidding me?! I loved the finale. Wow...this is totally off from what most people are saying and/or what I'm seeing.

    May 6, 2011 at 11:27PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Jay I'd also like to add because I really think you missed the mark with this one:
      Fringe shines because of its characters. So seeing the future was refreshing.
      -Peter calling Walter 'Dad' and Walternate 'Father'
      -The moment where future Walter meets future Olivia
      -Peter and Olivia are married

      I don't know, but I loved seeing that.

      May 6, 2011 at 11:57PM EST
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      Tausif Khan But we never understand why they are doing any of these things. Either emotionally in the future or for how it resonates with the story we cared about previously.

      It really feels like they reworked a series finale (and not even that some times) for a season finale.

      Showing us a possible future just to let us know things makes sense if you have no more story to tell but even then it has to emotionally pay off with what you were working with the before. It helps if the science fiction that is working in your series ends up being a strong metaphor for the emotional lives of the character.

      May 7, 2011 at 12:29AM EST
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      Jay I guess it's really how you look at the show. Because you never know where the show takes you. For me, I don't really try to pick things apart, but rather just go where the show takes me. I don't think people expected the whole alternative universe, but it worked out really well. For me, Fringe has always been a character driven show. So while the the whole future concept was out there; it worked for me because of the characters. The cast is dynamite.

      May 7, 2011 at 12:52AM EST
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      Paramounter I agree completely with Jay. Personally, I started watching the show for the sci-fi component, and admittedly, I probably wouldn't have started on it if I knew just how dramatic it was going to get. But following the show every week since then, it almost seems like the drama's changed me, in a way. I found myself relating to these characters in a way I hadn't experienced before. It could very well be that what I went through personally over the last 2 and a half years played a role in this, but I think this season finale did an excellent job of intertwining intellect and drama (which, I think, J. J. Abrams has always done), and I'm ecstatic for the fourth season.

      May 7, 2011 at 1:30AM EST
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      Tausif Khan The difference between this future universe and the altunverise is that the writers spent time in the altuniverise developing the characters. We understand why Bolivia is quicker to smile than Olivia we were given the background that her childhood had been better and we saw that in her performance and it connected her to us as a different person than Olivia. We saw Walter take altPeter from Walternate and therefore we understood why Walternate was bent on vengance and his militaristic stance.

      The line in this episode where Peter calls Walter his father had me attached for a second before I realized that by the end of this episode this future will be undone because Peter will find some way to return to his timeline (this may not have been true but the writers did not give any indication otherwise). I wanted to buy this line of attachment between future Peter and future Walter based on my time with them in this episode. It would have resonated with me more if this statement was tested once more at the end of the episode where the Walters once again have to lose their son once again bringing up the character arc for Walter of seeing the big picture and to think about society. Instead it just a throw away line intended to inspire nostalgia for the characters of our universe.

      May 7, 2011 at 10:31AM EST
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    sogoishi

    It was very much a "What If" storyline that undeniably robbed the episode of some of the immediate emotional tension we experience when these characters that we're so invested in are facing immediate jeopardy every week. That much was clear when Olivia was shot in the head and the moment somehow seemed to ring hollow because we knew our Olivia was alive and well, and the show acknowledged this strange disconnect in rendering Peter's eulogy mute (moot). But the stakes were still the same, and as soon as we cut back to the present I'm certain every Fringe fan sat up in their seat to see how the writers had decided to play this out. It seems unfair to criticize the show for drifting into danger of melodrama when it came to potential plot resolutions earlier this season (love triangles and quantum entanglement), only to reject a resolution that deftly avoided that very melodrama and made fairly clever use of the pieces on the board to close this chapter and go in a completely different direction week to week in season 4. And thankfully there is a season 4 to look forward to, otherwise this would have been "Dr Sam Beckett never returned home" all over again.

    May 6, 2011 at 11:30PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Kellie

    I thought it was awesome...Peter paradox'd himself out of existence, and the two worlds are now reconciled to working together. Brilliance.

    May 6, 2011 at 11:31PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Tausif Khan When the Observer commented to the other that Peter never existed I thought it was as Starbuck moment (from BSG not the coffee chain).

      May 7, 2011 at 12:32AM EST
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      webdiva No, really NOT a Starbuck moment, because 1) an original Starbuck really had existed in a previoius iteration, as the second one found the evidence of the first, and 2) everyone still remembered interacting with the second one: nobody forgot about her. They just couldn't explain *what* she really was, but they sure recalled *who* she was.

      Like I said: without Peter ever having existed, there's nothing for both sides to solve, because Peter being taken to this universe by Walter is what started all the trouble, supposedly.

      SO WHY ARE THEY STILL ALL THERE TOGETHER ONCE PETER VANISHES, NEVER HAVING EXISTED??!

      I'm a life-long hard sci-fi reader and have read my share of time-travel paradoxes, but in real sci-fi, even time travel has rules it must obey. This, on the other hand, breaks all the rules and has devolved into idiocy. Now it's not sci-fi -- it's fantasy for science illiterates.

      May 9, 2011 at 4:38AM EST
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    Jorge

    "People with stronger mental fortitude than I can try and tease out why The Observers needed Peter Bishop to act as the literal as well as figurative bridge between the two worlds. I’m assuming that his dual citizenship, so to speak, positioned him uniquely in the history of the universe."

    Um...I think you're missing something important here.You're kind of close with the "dual citizenship" comment, but you have to look at where that came from to understand why he disappeared from reality.

    The whole reason why the 2 worlds are at war is because both Peter Bishops should've died as children. Ever since Walter mucked with that fate, the 2 universes were in disharmony. Blame Walternate for being evil, but Fringe would have you believe that his evilness was solely due to the fact that his child was stolen. (Similarly, they would have us believe that if we were in a high-tech, Big Brother police state like the Other World, 9/11 wouldn't have happened because it would have been uncovered).

    Anyway, as the 2 observer episodes hinted this season, they had to see if Walter would be willing to sacrifice his son to save the 2 worlds. Walter knew all along that if he let Peter restore fate that the 2 universes could coexist peacefully, but it wasn't until the final act where he convinced his son to go on what was essentially a suicide mission.

    What I can't explain is what would ever possess me to watch a 4th season, because with Peter gone and there being 2 of everybody, it doesn't sound very promising plot-wise.

    May 6, 2011 at 11:38PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Courtney No worries... it's already been stated that season 4 will be Peter's season so he'll definitely be back... Joshua Jackson's not going anywhere :)

      May 6, 2011 at 11:47PM EST
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      Grifter You have this wrong.

      Peter shouldn't have died. The Observer interfering when at the lab made it so Walternate missed the catalyst forming with the cure.

      Remember the ep where one Observer says to the other that he changed things and now there were new variables or something of the sort?

      Any disharmony was actually caused by the Observer...and not at all because they both were supposed to die.

      May 7, 2011 at 6:20AM EST
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      Tausif Khan Grifter your comment made me realize that the Observer fixed his mistake with the finale. Whatever he did in the previous episode is now undone because Peter is gone.

      Therefore the Observers were setting up this finale to begin with. They were the ones pushing all of the action eventually leading to the disappearance of Peter.

      However, if Peter is in fact in some sort of trans-dimension I wonder if it is anything like the hell that Angel was sent to by Buffy for a thousand years.

      I actually had a different interpretation of 'he never existed'. I actually thought that Peter never actually existed and had the same effect as the Walternate hologram.

      May 7, 2011 at 10:06AM EST
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      Omarsduster As far as Walter sacrificing his son to save two worlds, now that Peter has never existed, the sacrifice has no weight and effectively never took place. He may have seen his son in the machine, but he won't remember it. All the emotional resonance for Walter is gone.

      I say all that of course not knowing how Peter's "never existed" story will play out. I have no idea how these duplicate people will understand how/why they're now working together, but it doesn't leave me particularly excited for next season.

      May 7, 2011 at 11:50AM EST
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    zed

    I didn't see it as a "what if" — that was an actual future reality, and the actions taken by Peter and Walter there (or rather, then) affected the present. Sure, those actions effectively prevented that reality from occurring, but in some sense those events STILL DID OCCUR. If nothing else, it showed us Peter and Olivia as a happy, married, couple, without actually tying the show down to that arrangement.

    And erasing Peter? Brilliant. I love the ensemble, and I love Peter, but frankly I'm not sure he had much to do anymore, and I think Fringe could stand to shuffle the deck and bring some more of the alt-Fringe agents into the fold. And I love the idea of multiple Walters and Olivias in the same universe...

    May 6, 2011 at 11:45PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Tausif Khan Even though the episode showed us all of these future events how did you connect with beyond nostalgia? Was there anything drawing you to the future events emotionally from the presentation itself? Why does it matter that future Olivia dies and her funeral is had on Lost?

      May 7, 2011 at 12:36AM EST
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      Zed It matters because Peter realizes that altering his past decision is the only way to save Olivia. And so just as Sam Weiss predicted, it's Peter's love for Olivia that saves our universe from destruction. It just didn't fall into place the way anyone predicted.

      May 7, 2011 at 1:58AM EST
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    LMT

    Ryan, you've got to be kidding me! You're telling me that when Future Peter gave Future Walter the Twizzlers and told him that he was his Dad that didn't mean anything to you? Sounds like you need to watch the episode again to gain some perspective.

    I will admit that this was a way out there finale, but it was far from disappointing. I'm as invested in this show as I've always been. I can't wait to see how they get Peter back.

    May 6, 2011 at 11:49PM EST Reply to Comment
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      JBVO Future Peter giving Future Walter the Twizzlers and telling him that he was his dad didn't mean anything to ME at least. Why would I care? These people aren't anything to me because the entire episode was pretty much a dream sequence, and I knew it going into the show. Did you watch the crappy Bones dream sequence episode? Sure Bones and Booth were together, but we knew it wasn't real, so it didn't mean anything. Now, if Peter had done the Twizzler/Dad thing BEFORE he got into the machine, it'd mean something to me.

      May 9, 2011 at 10:09AM EST
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    Adam

    Obviously there are some plot holes stemming (at the least) from Peter's disappearance that will be presumably addressed in the next season*, but, beyond them, the "problem" with this episode is only that it has the misfortune of book-ending the season, as the ongoing narrative is interrupted by a summer break. As a viewer, witnessing this future may be absolutely essential. This episode sets out once and for all what the stakes really are. Without both universes existing _and_ presumably existing independently, all is lost -- that was not clear prior to tonight. This allows the turn of events that we all knew was coming, i.e. "bridging" the universes, to be as compelling as possible. Now, if things start to go wrong in the new inter-universe partnership, we can see things sliding toward this future and that will strike fear into our hearts. I don't think for a second that this partnership is the panacea for the multiverse's ills. Things are going to get even darker before they get better and this episode is going to give the next season the weight it needs.

    *Peter is, after all, the partnership's reason for being brought together and part of the reason for everything happening in the first place, so his disappearance begs the question of what exactly do the Olivias and Walters think their reason for being in the same room and being at war at all is? I'm presuming from the Observers' comments at the end that the other characters won't (initially) remember Peter.

    May 6, 2011 at 11:52PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Adam tl;dr -> This episode _is_ the stake.

      May 7, 2011 at 12:09AM EST
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      Chrissy I agree. I don't understand the argument that this didn't work because it wasn't Over There, Redux. This allowed us to see the ending that would happen without having to spend a season on the characters doing all the stuff the Earth-2 people have been doing. How would that be interesting? The characters resonate because they are the same people we've been watching for years, just older and having been through some more. Of course we still care about them, and understand who they are.

      May 8, 2011 at 4:30PM EST
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    Brad

    Echoing the confused comment...a little help from those who are not...why did Peter lost to the paradox?

    May 6, 2011 at 11:54PM EST Reply to Comment
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    reed

    I loved it. I'll agree with you on the over-telegraphed "use the wormhole to go back in time", but that's it. I think you had an idea of what you wanted from the finale, and this wasn't it. We weren't watching "fake" characters. We know the characters, and that's why I thought seeing how the events of their actions in the present day would effect their lives down the road was great. Were the characters on "Lost" fake when we were watching the flash-forwards? (Maybe you did.)

    I think we were all expecting an episode high on suspense and action, and I thought it was nice that they gave us somewhat of a curveball. Just a real quiet, emotional, and somewhat eerie view of their future.

    And in a perfect universe, John Noble would win an Emmy for tonight's performance.

    May 6, 2011 at 11:57PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Heather Totally agree on an Emmy for John Noble - did you see his right-sided weakness from his stroke in prison... so subtle, but gave us a little insight into what life must have been like for him after his sacrifice.

      May 10, 2011 at 9:25AM EST
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    d.a. garabedian

    I completely agreed with you for the first 55 minutes of the show about the lack of stakes. I was just getting mad about them setting up a timeline/reality that had no stakes. But by positioning Peter as a time-paradox in the "original" timeline, they ensure that the "future-reality" will continue to play prominently into the show, because it's the only way Joshua Jackson can really stay on the show. That means that there ARE stakes, especially since they've essentially set up everybody in the future to be The First People. The future timeline is really the past timeline, which must eventually affect the present timeline. Those last 5 minutes are what gave the first 55 their weight.

    May 7, 2011 at 12:03AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Tausif Khan

    Me fifteen minutes into the episode: What show am I watching? I don't have an entry point into this universe and I don't care about any of these sketches. What happened to all of the mythos from the previous couple of episodes?

    Me 30 minutes into the episode: Why are we on Lost having future Olivia's funeral with what I can only assume is Jeff Probst? Who cares? (who are these people?)

    50 minutes in: Okay this is starting to make sense now but I don't really care about the logic what about the emotional pay off?

    At the end: Peter doesn't exist? Interesting. Eh. Oh well.

    May 7, 2011 at 12:23AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Evan

    I thought it was great. I was originally concerned about the jump they made with time travel undoing things as you were, but you know what? I trust Fringe at this point and am ready to go where they lead -- for now.

    May 7, 2011 at 12:30AM EST Reply to Comment
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    gordon stanton

    Personally I have to disagree with Ryan. These characters weren't "fake" because they were the natural evolution of our characters. admittedly, I wasn't worried when Olivia was shot, because I knew tat couldn't stick, but that would be true in any episode that wasn't the season finale. Olivia isn't going to permanently die, otherwise there just isn't a show.

    We got a glimpse at the potential of Olivia and Peter's relationship, which was a happy thing in a screwed up world. With Peter now gone, the future of that relationship will still echo in the next season.

    It also gave us a real example of what could go wrong. The what if is interesting when you keep it as a contrast to what you want to have happen. Because they did it one episode and not one season, it's an interesting example of what need to be avoided.

    the connection between Walter and peter and Walter and Olivia were also highlighted, as well as the full potential of Olivia's powers. These facets of the future world still hold true as parts of our characters regardless of what choices were made.

    May 7, 2011 at 12:34AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Shari James

    So does this mean baby Henry also no longer exists?

    The observers seemed have a bet going on whether everyone there would or wouldn't remember Peter...does that suggest that only within the confines of that joined space Peter created they would not remember him? I must admit, if the observers had not explained it I would not have gotten what had happened.

    What is funny to me now is that when Peter just blipped away like that, I was really confused as to why no one reacted or panicked that he wasn't there anymore and instead just kept talking/arguing with their doubles, looking as if they were about to start fist fighting.

    May 7, 2011 at 12:39AM EST Reply to Comment
    • Damn you, I was going to ask that! Does Peter not existing mean Fauxlivia isn't/wasn't pregnant/didn't give birth? If so, does she remember giving birth? If Peter is restored will Henry magically appear?

      I think I'll like this more the 2nd time I see it. It's hard to concentrate on what the hell is happening the first time around. I'm slow that way.

      May 7, 2011 at 2:18AM EST
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    Tausif Khan

    Dollhouse Epitaph 1 v. Fringe The Day We Died

    the difference between these two episodes for me is that while both played out an intellectual/philosophical exercise and introduced new characters we knew nothing about the success of the former is that the audience was able to connect to these characters emotionally within the context of that episode. The characters were so rich they spawned their own comic. Fring failed completely on this account. This compounded by the fact that these new characters were future versions of characters we have seen before (albeit with different histories).

    May 7, 2011 at 12:50AM EST Reply to Comment
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    txt

    it wasn't a "what if" dream, it was a peek into the future that actually happened when Peter destroyed the other side. so the future folks, the first people, set up the message to the moment when Peter decided their fate. At least that's what I thought until observer's last sentence.
    mind blown. it was pretty amazing, and hit the emotional core of the show too.

    May 7, 2011 at 1:07AM EST Reply to Comment


  • I honestly have no idea what happened and I was paying attention.

    I Just Don't Get It.

    May 7, 2011 at 1:08AM EST Reply to Comment
    • WIKIPEDIA TO THE RESCUE

      May 7, 2011 at 1:11AM EST
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    Mark

    I am split on what i feel on this episode. I really want to like it, and I think I did...

    But on the other hand, when Olivia got shot in the head, I literally just laughed. I don't think that was the response the writers wanted.

    May 7, 2011 at 1:11AM EST Reply to Comment
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    mcklowry

    use allbus

    May 7, 2011 at 1:14AM EST Reply to Comment
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      mcklowry Whoops - that was actually my robot code thingymajig. Anyways...

      I don't think we can really say now whether or not this episode was a "what if" episode. My first impression is that there were far too many easter eggs (Walter's apparent stroke, Astrid being a pushover, Broyle's eye, Olivia's abilities, etc.) for this to be our only journey into the future. That said I get where Ryan is coming from. I didn't love the ending. How could I possibly imagine the consequences or look forward to it's resolution next season? It was just confusing and somewhat corny with all the doubles facing off.

      Despite my reservations I will definitely be turning in next season. I am invested in the characters and hope it pays off. There were certainly some scenes tonight that tugged at my heartstrings (Walter and Olivia renion FTW).

      May 7, 2011 at 1:16AM EST
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      Christie I completely agree. There were way too many specific details from future world that would be unnecessary for the writers to include if they did not plan on elaborating on them in future timelines.

      I'm feeling a little nervous about the introduction of time travel to the Fringe Universes. Sometimes shows use time travel as a cop out - the writers can do anything to characters but then - tada! - just send them back in time and you get a free do-over. (Which, I know, is what a lot of people are thinking tonight's episode did. I hope that doesn't turn out to be the case.)

      May 7, 2011 at 1:48AM EST
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    kristie

    Fringe always leave me wanting more but the fact that Peter does not exist anymore boggles me. I'm glad to know that there will be a 4th season consider the time slot that Fox moved them to but now I'm completely confused with the storyline. I hope the 4th season will bring Peter back because to me without Peter, it doesn't make sense how or why Walter enter the other universe. Peter was such a big part of the show for so long I think it's ridiclous to completely discard him from the story. This season finale just brought up millions of questions that I hope the 4th season can explain.

    May 7, 2011 at 1:19AM EST Reply to Comment
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    tvguy

    I did like the show but kept checking my DVR to see if I missed an episode between last Friday and tonight... It seemed like a waste of 50 minutes to play in an alternate future that just got erased. I'm sure season four will start with a bang because the bridge to the two universes is now open. I hope the cast gets paid double for have to play two characters.

    May 7, 2011 at 1:31AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Guest guest

    Are we supposed to know what happened to Broyles's eye? Was that explained and I just missed it?

    May 7, 2011 at 1:37AM EST Reply to Comment
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    traumaguy

    Great episode. You're way off the mark, reviewer.

    May 7, 2011 at 1:39AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Ellen Ryan, I'm sorry, but you're simply wrong on this one. I thought the dialogue could have been better, but this was a mature and bold episode and I'm quite curious to see how the writers address many of the feelings the viewers have about Peter's supposed disappearance. It's called "suspense."

      May 7, 2011 at 8:52AM EST


  • how can there be a search for Peter if no one remembers him, or as the Observer said, he never existed?

    May 7, 2011 at 2:02AM EST Reply to Comment
    • Stop it. We'll have no more of these types of questions!

      May 7, 2011 at 2:20AM EST
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      Ellen We already know that in the Fringe universe, time is not linear. "Various futures are happening simultaneously." The Observers have already explained this. Keep in mind that Over There is not a "place" - it is a separate timestream. The nature of Time in the Fringeverse is not a single line, but a network of possibilities. This has been a recurring idea all season, and it's quite possible Peter still exists in another timestream (ie "alternate universe") How do the writers keep up the emotional continuity? Well, that's the challenge. We want it and they want it, so we'll see how they do it next season.

      May 7, 2011 at 9:01AM EST
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    Brendan D

    I think your quote on your personal site ("Well. THAT happened.") nails it right on the head. Did you ever see the teaser Rob Thomas wrote for Veronica Mars Season 4? That's kind of what this felt like, with a dash of the "Epitaph" episodes of 'Dollhouse' thrown in for good measure. The combination wasn't particularly good, though. I mean, sure, it had me interested all the way through, but that's more out of brand-name loyalty; the show's been good in the past, and I have every reason to believe it will continue that success. But that was... not a success.

    It's a shame, really, because some of the ideas were very cool. The idea of Walternate as a bitter old terrorist was intensely intriguing, and I liked the self-assured Astrid a lot. But there were a lot of reaches, like Olivia's niece pulling a Chrissy Seaver (okay, yes, I know she wasn't just magically aged, but it still seems a stretch to me that she'd be experienced enough to work on an elite team like Fringe Division. And yes, I realize that, given the nature of this universe, that sounds like a ridiculous thing to dwell on. I don't care.) or, maybe most egregiously, the over-the-top bad-guy lines Walternate uttered through the whole episode. I mean, wow, that dialogue was simply depressing.

    But I'm wiling to forgive. You are too, right, Ryan?

    May 7, 2011 at 2:20AM EST Reply to Comment


  • At the onset, I figured this whole episode had to be a "what if" situation, but the whole sudden non-existence of Peter in the last moments was a hugely confusing blow! I don't like it. I've grown all too fond of the Peter/Olivia interaction and hope this doesn't mean a permanent disappearance of the character. Also, does this sudden retroactive non-existence of peter mean no Peter and FauxLivia child in the alternate univers? Then wouldn't that also retroactively stop the whole machine thing--there being no Peter or Peter's DNA on the other side?

    Ok, I'll take that beer, now!

    May 7, 2011 at 2:33AM EST Reply to Comment
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