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There's a lot of talk about lists lately. Just the other day we chewed on Roger Ebert's inclusion of Terrence Malick's "The Tree of Life" in his personal top 10 films of all time as part of the 2012 Sight & Sound critics and filmmakers poll (which Guy is agonizing over currently as he was asked to participate this time around -- Friday's the deadline).
Meanwhile, HitFix's own Drew McWeeny offered up his personal list of 20 last night as a lead-in to a feature Film School Rejects managing editor Scott Beggs (aka Cole Abaius) has been working through for a few days now. I was also asked to participate in that poll, which was largely net-based in focus and therefore younger in demographic. So I might as well offer up some extended thoughts, too.
I've been doing this in one form or another for 12 years, going back to college and, really, my teens. I'm 30 now. And one question I've been asked frequently over that span of time is, "Hey, what are your top 10 films of all time?"
I rarely give an answer. Or I'll maybe offer up a handful of films that are at the tip-top of the list and leave it at that. Why be so coy? Because I just wasn't sure. And really, "all time?" Maybe I should wait ANOTHER 30 years before going there. When I do the lists you guys see week in and week out throughout the year, my concern, first and foremost, is, "Am I being honest with myself? Is this or that collective really representative of how I feel about the topic at hand?"
It's easy to get lost in the overwhelming sense of duty to certain accomplishments. It's also difficult to strip that away and find the essence of your own convictions. And 12 years into this job, as I look at the films I put on this list way back when, I see that it's pretty much the exact same. And that says, to me, that my list has stood up under my own scrutiny for long enough that, okay, I'll finally answer the question.
A number of readers who have followed me over the years have actually sussed this out. There was even a thread some time ago when a few readers were taking stabs at guessing my list based on my commentary over the years. And I smiled, because they were damn close. I don't know if I ever actually came out with it in that comments section or not, but in any case, with Sight & Sound around the corner and Abaius's homework presented in full this morning, now seems like as good a time as any.
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But first, some notes on the collective list, which was taken from 37 film critics/journalists and four filmmakers (who were NOT asked to participate in the Sight & Sound poll, it should be noted). "This list," Abaius says, "is the temperature of the online movie community in regards to what movies are the 'greatest.'" And yeah, some of it is what you'd expect.
However, I actually share a #1 spot with my fellow participants, and that's heartening. Others on the list that fit the (perhaps unfair) profile of the panel include "The Empire Strikes Back," "Raiders of the Lost Ark" and "Back to the Future," but I was happy to see Sight & Sound mainstays "8 1/2" and "Vertigo" pop up, as well as a surprise showing for "Bicycle Thieves." I don't mean that to sound patronizing or anything, so please don't take it that way. I'm just discovering some colleagues' tastes, many of which I wasn't aware.
My list only shares three with the collective. But all of the films on mine are representative, I think, of what I look for in filmmaking: strong visions that push, in some way, our perspective on the medium, as well as tight stories told in visually dynamic ways, ways that can be as esoteric as they can be straight-forward.
I'm getting to the list, but let me also offer up a few thoughts on a handful of films that just missed the cut, like Werner Herzog's "Aguirre, the Wrath of God." Here is a film that builds atmosphere like few others, establishing a near-meditative mise en scène, lulling the viewer into the downward spiral of insanity shared by its players.
Once upon a time, Steven Spielberg's "Jaws" was on the next tier for me, but just recently I discovered a change of heart on the filmmaker's work. "E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial" is, for me, just about a perfect film, so it would leap-frog Spielberg's happy accident (not to be too reductive) and threaten the 10 today.
Gene Kelly and Stanley Donen's joyful ode to a time and place, "Singin' in the Rain" -- which made Drew's list -- has also been a dominant figure on that second tier. Ditto Spike Lee's eruptive "Do the Right Thing," which creeps up the ladder every time I see it.
In fact, I was actually a bit surprised at how many of Drew's selections either sit pretty on my list or are just on the outside. Another along the lines of the latter would be Giuseppe Tornatore's "Cinema Paradiso," which I love for a lot of the same reasons as Kelly and Donen's film, but it just levels me in the final act, every single time.
Others worth mentioning include Akira Kurosawa's "Seven Samurai," Oliver Stone's "JFK," Jean-Luc Godard's "Contempt," Billy Wilder's "Double Indemnity," Woody Allen's "Annie Hall," Victor Fleming's "The Wizard of Oz," F.W. Murnau's "Sunrise," Michael Mann's "Heat," Francis Ford Coppola's "The Godfather Part II," Alfred Hitchcock's "North by Northwest" and Martin Scorsese's "Goodfellas."
The only films of the last decade that would warrant consideration are Andrew Dominik's "The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford" and Lars von Trier's "Dogville."
But in the end there are 10, and these are mine, with just a few notes on each because I see no need to bury these in considerations and commentary. There are, interestingly enough, three filmmakers with two films each on the list. And those six films are right in the middle, non-stop.
The order of these ebbs and flows, but ultimately, I find that the films themselves stay the course. If there was a #11, it would probably be "Aguirre, the Wrath of God."
Anyway, on to the list. Feel free to rate the titles as you go (and/or offer up your own list below). Sorry for being so coy over the years. I had to be sure(ish).
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Next 89 CommentsAndrew F
May 8, 2012 at 5:37PM EST Reply to CommentA pretty decent list, Kris. I wouldn't disagree with any of them. It may speak to your demographic bias a bit too neatly (i.e. English language films based around men), but as you say, you need to be honest with yourself when you make these lists.
Mine reflects my own biases of film academic:
Citizen Kane (Welles)
Week End (Godard)
Sans Soleil (Marker)
Rashomon (Kurosawa)
2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick)
Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Jackson)
Persona (Bergman)
Children of Paradise (Carné)
Come and See (Klimov)
Chungking Express (Wong Kar-Wai)
Too French? Too 'artsy'? Yeah, probably. Also up there is "The Red and the White", "Late Spring" and "Berlin: Symphony of a Great City".
Kristopher Tapley Well, Contempt and Aguirre are just on the outside. ;) (Still, built around men, so...guilty.)
May 8, 2012 at 5:42PM ESTAndrew F Haha, well if I was more ideological, I would purposely include "Germany, Pale Mother" in my list... maybe on another day! "Contempt" would have been a great contrast to the rest of your list. Also one of my favourites!
May 8, 2012 at 5:52PM ESTCasey Fiore Yeah I couldn't help thinking that there was an obvious influence of what might be called taste (or bias) on this. Goes to show just how subjective the assessment of art is - even going for 'greats', rather than 'favorites', - it would be impossible for me to not lean heavily on English language films about men. Like you I can't help the fact that I'm definitely more likely to respond to stories in my native tongue, about characters of the same sex.
May 8, 2012 at 6:08PM ESTQuentin B. It's never too French ! ^^
May 8, 2012 at 6:33PM ESTJohn G.
May 8, 2012 at 5:51PM EST Reply to CommentAs you say, cliche is sometimes cliche for good reason. I find it refreshing you didn't try to sneak in any tokens to make your list look diverse. Nothing wrong with the classics.
Danny
May 8, 2012 at 5:57PM EST Reply to CommentPerhaps I am one of the few people who found The Thin Red line exasperating but absolutely love The Tree of Life. Kris suggests you love one you love the other (or you hate one you hate the other), but that's not how it's turned out for me. Maybe if I'd see The Thin Red Line again I'll feel differently, but I'd actually dread it. Whereas I look forward to revisiting The Tree of Life many more times. Go figure.
Kristopher Tapley I wouldn't say I suggest that so much as I certainly heard a lot of similar qualms with The Tree of Life as I did The Thin Red Line. I've met people who fall on one side or the other, though, certainly. And now another. ;)
May 8, 2012 at 6:01PM ESTJohn W
May 8, 2012 at 6:11PM EST Reply to CommentThe rankings may change but my ten today at this moment would be:
The Godfather
King Kong
Oldboy
Jaws
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Lord of the Rings Trilogy
Casablanca
Psycho
Seven
Wizard of Oz
DylanS
May 8, 2012 at 6:16PM EST Reply to CommentAs much as it is a challenge to condense a broad collection of favorites and classics into a 10 best list, it really forces you to see what it is you appreciate in each individual film, as well as the medium as a whole.
I made a similar list (inspired by Ebert's) two days ago, and boy was it hard to leave certain films out. But I'm happy with my list, and I think it's a strong reflection of both my personal tastes in film and of the different possibilites of the artform.
“The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring”(Peter Jackson)
“The Shawshank Redemption”(Frank Darabont)
“Apocalypse Now”(Francis Ford Coppola)
“Days of Heaven”(Terrence Malick)
“2001: A Space Odyssey”(Stanley Kubrick)
“Dr. Strangelove: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb”(Stanley Kubrick)
“Psycho”(Alfred Hitchcock)
“The 400 Blows”(Francois Truffaut)
“The Grapes of Wrath”(John Ford)
“Modern Times”(Charlie Chaplin)
Kris, I usually think of us as often having dissimilar taste in film (at least what I've gathered from the site), so I'm a bit surprised that when given the broad field of naming the greatest films of all time we would end up with 3 of the same films.
Kristopher Tapley Perhaps that says something about those films?
May 8, 2012 at 6:19PM ESTDylanS Certainly, and obviously many people are naming them as well. And two of them being Kubrick films, who we seem to share as a favorite, it's not really that surprising.
May 8, 2012 at 6:28PM ESTI have to ask, did you hesitate to put 2 films from the same director (Coppola, Lumet & Kubrick)? I think you were spot on with those particular choices, but I just wondered if you thought it might seem like you were being too narrow, because I know I hesitated to do so with Kubrick.
Kristopher Tapley I honestly didn't think about it until I had already submitted the list to Cole.
May 8, 2012 at 7:07PM ESTm1
May 8, 2012 at 6:18PM EST Reply to CommentMine is full of movies from the 2000's so don't hate me for it.
1. Million Dollar Baby
2. L.A. Confidential
3. Lost in Translation
4. Pan's Labyrinth
5. Sideways
6. Ratatouille
7. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
8. Capote
9. The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
10. Manhattan
Andy W.
May 8, 2012 at 6:21PM EST Reply to CommentAwesome list, Kris. I’m curious, though. Is this the list you would submit to Sight & Sound if invited to do so?
I ask because, with all the Top 10 discussion that S&S and Ebert have prompted in the past few weeks, I think it’s getting increasingly important to separate “Favorite” from “Greatest”. I’ve always looked to the S&S poll, if not as a definitive list, then as the way serious film scholars look at cinema. That it’s compiled by professional critics and film historians is what separates it from something like the IMDB Top 250 (which I can appreciate on its own terms too).
Since the age of 6, my favorite movie has been “Ferris Beuler’s Day Off.” I watch it several times a year, but I would never say it was one of the 10 Greatest Films Of All Time. But it is the film I love most. Conversely, I truly do think “Citizen Kane” is indeed the Greatest, Most Significant Film ever made; I do love it, but it would not be on my personal Top 10.
I guess what I’m trying to ask is this: Should we try to keep two separate lists when discussing Top 10 lists--(1) the films we love most, watch and re-watch the most; and (2) the most historically significant, aesthetically perfect movies? Or should they be one and the same?
Kristopher Tapley I have a list of "favorite" movies. It has stuff like "Batman," "Ghostbusters" and "Heat" on it, with a little overlap with some of these, too.
May 8, 2012 at 6:30PM ESTI don't, however, think you can absolutely separate these angles of consideration when making a "greatest" list. First and foremost there is no definitive in this. "Historical significance" can even be bent to subjective perspectives, really. To say nothing of what "aesthetically perfect" means from one person to the next.
So I think it has to be a bit of both. If a film makes an impact, it makes an impact for a reason. And that reason is always going to be yours, not the next guy's.
Derek 8-Track Kris, have you ever posted a list of "favorite" movies? the list including Ghostbusters, Batman and such... If so could you provide the link?
May 11, 2012 at 3:16AM EST/3rt
May 8, 2012 at 6:41PM EST Reply to Comment01 RoboCop — 04 Born on the Fourth of July
02 Videodrome — 05 Raiders of the Lost Ark
03 Howards End — 06 The Crying Game
07 Volver — 08 Mo' Better Blues
09 Barton Fink — 10 Lost Highway
/3rt I'd delete seven titles from my list while keeping RoboCop, Videodrome, and Born on the Fourth of July. The 1980s is hands down the most under appreciated decade of all time.
May 8, 2012 at 7:26PM ESTGuest Guesto
May 8, 2012 at 7:21PM EST Reply to CommentIf I restrict myself to no more than 3 films per filmmaker (a necessary restriction, trust me) than my list of films would look like this:
I am not pretentious enough to call my list more than 10 of the very best films I have seen. I am sure there are stunners out there I never even heard of if only because I have seen some obscure stunners. Also, with one exception it's something of an American List.
2001: A Space Oddysey
A.I. Artificial Intelligence
Before Sunset (The only film on the list I do not plan to revisit anytime soon.)
Clockwork Orange
Exotica (anyone?)
Irony of Fate (the quintessential Soviet movie)
Minority Report
Munich
Purple Rose of Cairo
Eric Rohmer's Summer Tale
Quentin B.
May 8, 2012 at 7:21PM EST Reply to CommentWell this is the first time I read an article from you Mr. Tapley, and I really enjoyed it! I also made my list after reading your article and I do have my biases and they are certainly different from yours, I’m French, because I have only one film in common with your list ^^.
Here is my list (with no order):
-Lolita (Kubrick)
-Dancer in the Dark (Von Trier)
-Night of the Hunter (Laughton)
-Les Enfants du Paradis (Carné)
-Rosemary’s Baby (Polanski)
-Le Mépris (Godard)
-Citizen Kane (Welles)
-Metropolis (Lang)
-Mulholland Drive (Lynch)
-Lawrence of Arabia (Lean)
It was difficult because some “recent” movies are already masterpieces to me, like Daldry’s “The Hours”, Sofia Coppola’s “Virgin Suicide” or Iñárritu’s “Babel”. I’m sure that in less than 10 years I would have change that list !
Quentin B. O my, I just realised I have forgotten Sunset Boulevard... Sorry Billy !
May 8, 2012 at 7:28PM ESTAndrew F Now, this is a list I like! :D
May 10, 2012 at 11:00PM ESTAndrewM679
May 8, 2012 at 7:27PM EST Reply to CommentGreat list, all of these are in my top 15 or 20 I were to make such a list. My rankings change all the time so I'll just name them in no particular order.
2001: A Space Odyssey
Raging Bull
Network
Seven Samurai
Apocalypse Now
There Will be Blood
The Godfather
Citizen Kane
Dr. Strangelove
Annie Hall
The Apartment, Rear Window, City Lights, The 400 Blows, Jaws, and Singin in the Rain are all on the edge.
Mr.F
May 8, 2012 at 7:27PM EST Reply to CommentMine:
1. The Umbrellas of Cherbourg
2. The Red Shoes
3. The Muppet Movie
4. Last Year at Marienbad
5. 8 1/2
6. Moulin Rouge!
7. Rear window
8. Bambi
9. City Lights
10. The Young Girls of Rochefort
AR Ooh, I love your list for including Powell/Pressburger and so much Demy. Umbrellas is my #1 movie but I'd go with Peeping Tom instead of The Red Shoes. I also adore The Muppet Movie. Good list!
May 9, 2012 at 3:41PM ESTMarc R
May 8, 2012 at 7:37PM EST Reply to CommentI couldn't possibly make a greatest films list (unless Sight and Sound called me up), so i'll just put my 10 favorite films. A few of them I believe belong on any greatest films list, and others just hit me in the right way at the right time and their effect on me hasn't waned. So, in no particular order:
The Lord of the Rings
Apocalypse Now (totally w/ u, Kris, Storaro's work is some of the greatest of all time)
Goodfellas
Pulp Fiction
American Graffiti
Casablanca
The Matrix
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Psycho
The Godfather
Other films that come to mind: Raging Bull, Taxi Driver, 8 1/2, Do the Right Thing, Chinatown, Jaws,
Also, I always wondered what exactly you saw in Thin Red Line, Kris. I think it's quite a film (and an excellent criterion), but some of the narrations baffle me ("i drink you" oh my soul, let me be in you now") and I always thought the film didn't seem quite complete by not really showing the loser's side of things. I also kind of agree w/ Roger Ebert when he said that soldiers probably wouldn't have these thoughts. I'm wondering how you would reply to that complaint, Kris
Marc R I guess a number 11 would have to be 2001: A Space Odyssey
May 8, 2012 at 7:40PM ESTSJG
May 8, 2012 at 7:51PM EST Reply to CommentWell, since others are sharing their lists, I may as well share mine. They're in no particular order. Please don't judge, LOL.
ET, the Extra-Terrestrial (Spielberg)
Rashomon (Kurosawa)
The Bridge on the River Kwai (Lean)
Schindler's List (Spielberg)
Hugo (Scorsese)
Crimes and Misdemeanors (Allen)
The Wizard of Oz (Fleming)
Metropolis (Lang)
Howard's End (Ivory)
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (Jackson)
Of course, my list would probably change if you asked me again in an hour, but right now that's what I'm feeling.
Intellectual Ninja See... I include The Lord of the Rings as one work, split into three parts, much as Tolkien wrote the novel as one novel in six parts, but had it split in three by his publishers.
May 9, 2012 at 12:57AM ESTSJG I can't bring myself to do that, simply because I don't feel the two sequels really live up to the promise of the original. For me, it's either include The Fellowship on its own, or replace it with something else entirely. I know it doesn't stand alone, but since it is still a film that I lived with for a year without the others, it still feels "whole" to me when considered by itself.
May 9, 2012 at 11:01AM ESTSJG Man, and now that I've looked over my list again, I can't believe I didn't include "Silence of the Lambs" or "A Man for All Seasons". So I guess..... now it's a best 12 list. Or..... bump Rashomon and Howard's End? Nah, just make it a 12 best list.
May 9, 2012 at 11:07AM ESTThe Genius
May 8, 2012 at 8:21PM EST Reply to CommentHere's a top list:
1. Tess
2. Pulp Fiction
3. Blue Velvet
4. The New World
5. Mulholland Dr.
6. The Godfather Part II
7. The Empire Strikes Back
8. No Country For Old Men
9. Annie Hall
10. A Clockwork Orange
Edward L. Tess - excellent film and an unusual choice!
May 9, 2012 at 1:58PM ESTMichael
May 8, 2012 at 8:53PM EST Reply to CommentExcellent list Kris! Each film is perfect. My list goes:
10. Manhattan
9. (TIE) Terms Of Endearment/Citizen Kane
8. Rachel Getting Married
7. The Departed
6. On Golden Pond
5. Gone With The Wind
4. Chicago
3. West Side Story
2. Black Swan
1. American Beauty
Amir
May 8, 2012 at 9:11PM EST Reply to CommentKris, why do you think Woody Allen's work never shows up on lists like these?
I mean, I know his recent output is not stellar, but I expected the online voters to get behind Annie Hall (my personal #1 of all time) or Manhattan.
Intellectual Ninja Recent output not stellar?
May 9, 2012 at 12:56AM ESTI put the trio of Match Point, Vicky Cristina Barcelona, and Midnight in Paris up against ANY of the work he did previous.
Those films are that good, especially Match Point, which is jarring how it becomes a completely different film than what you expect, and Midnight in Paris, which is wonderfully magical.
Kristopher Tapley I'm not a fan of Match Point and much as I like Midnight, it's light-weight compared to stuff like Annie Hall and Manhattan. Vicky I love and is really the only film since Bullets Over Broadway that I'd say approaches the early greatness.
May 9, 2012 at 1:24AM ESTBut as for Amir's question I couldn't say. Drew went with Manhattan pretty high, which is noble. Annie Hall would easily be on my list of 20.
Edward L. I have a theory. People have such differing opinions as to which of his films is the best. Annie Hall is the one that makes my list (which I'm just about to post) but there are at least half a dozen that are only 1 per cent away from making it too. So I think his films split their votes.
May 9, 2012 at 2:00PM ESTIntellectual Ninja It could be that. I like Annie Hall and really love Zelig, which is a hidden gem that Forrest Gump (novel AND film) ruthlessly ripped-off. Sleeper, Hannah and Her Sisters, Bullets Over Broadway, Paris at Midnight... love them.
May 9, 2012 at 7:30PM ESTManhattan leaves me a little cold, though. It's funny. Just leaves me cold.
And I guess I hold Match Point in a much higher esteem than most... it's just... NOT the kind of film you expect Woody Allen to make, which to me, makes it the best, most Woody Allen film of them all.
Andrew F Edward, I think you're mostly right with that theory. Perhaps it's also that many people seem to conflate many of his films together (i.e. "They're all basically the same"), and so they feel that they can only name -one- of his films in their Top 10/20/50 lists. And which one do you go with?
May 10, 2012 at 11:06PM ESTEdward L. Andrew: I think that's the case too, yes.
May 11, 2012 at 5:41PM ESTIntellectual Ninja: I also love Match Point. For me, his best film since the mid-90s. Really like VCB too, and Midnight in Paris is super-sweet...
Matthew Starr
May 8, 2012 at 9:53PM EST Reply to CommentI would have to see like 500 more films before I made a list like this.
Kristopher Tapley There will always be more to see, indeed.
May 9, 2012 at 1:25AM ESTJLPatt
May 8, 2012 at 9:58PM EST Reply to CommentI share two of yours, and four more would be on a Top 50.
Zach
May 8, 2012 at 10:42PM EST Reply to Comment1) E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial
2) Manhattan
3) L.A. Confidential
4) Pulp Fiction
5) Gone With the Wind
6) The Godfather
7) Singin' in the Rain
8) Memento
9) Annie Hall
10) Romeo + Juliet (1996)
Intellectual Ninja I share a love of Woody Allen (though I think he does his best work in Match Point), but not of Manhattan, which I seem to find has as many people who love it as don't.
May 9, 2012 at 12:54AM ESTLiz
May 8, 2012 at 10:53PM EST Reply to CommentI managed to narrow it down to thirty films fairly easily, but cutting it down from that was painful! I'm a little disappointed to see my list tilt so heavily English-language, but there you have it.
1. L.A. Confidential (Hanson)
2. Singin' in the Rain (Kelly and Donen)
3. Sullivan's Travels (Sturges)
4. Sunset Blvd. (Wilder)
5. The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp (Powell and Pressburger)
6. Notorious (Hitchcock)
7. The Red Shoes (Powell and Pressburger)
8. The Seventh Seal (Bergman)
9. Pygmalion (Asquith and Howard)
10. Laura (Preminger)
Second tier (some of which probably fall more into the "favorite" category than "best"): Midnight (Leisen), Fish Tank (Arnold), Hobson's Choice (Lean), The Fabulous Baker Boys (Kloves), 12 Angry Men (Lumet) Rear Window (Hitchcock), Dead Again (Branagh)
Intellectual Ninja Notorious is GREAT. I don't know if Grant was ever better, and yes, I include his performance in His Girl Friday in that qualification.
May 9, 2012 at 12:52AM ESTAmber
May 8, 2012 at 11:17PM EST Reply to CommentI struggle with Best vs Favorite. This is the best mesh of the two for me. My number three seems to lean towards the favorite side, but the more I watch and live with it, the more I realize what a brilliant piece of story telling it is.
Funny for me is how Polanski is the one director with Two in my top ten, even though I never think of him when I do my personal favorite directors list. Also, no Hitchcock, or Coppola. Never thought I'd have a top ten without them.
1. Raging Bull (1980) by Martin Scorsese
2. Pulp Fiction (1994) by Quentin Tarantino
3. The Empire Strikes Back (1980) by Irvin Kirschner
4. Chinatown (1974) by Roman Polanski and Robert Towne
5. 8 1/2 (1963) by Federico Fellini
6. Raiders of The Lost Ark (1981) by Steve Spielberg
7. Some Like It Hot (1959) by Billy Wilder
8. Rosemary's Baby (1968) by Roman Polanski
9. Heat (1995) by Michael Mann
10. The Seven Samurai (1954) by Akira Kurosawa
Jose
May 8, 2012 at 11:28PM EST Reply to CommentKris, good list. You say "Network" is the greatest screenplay of all time. Disagree of course, wondering if you would ever consider doing a personal best screenplay list? My top three in that account would be The Conversation, Chinatown, and Casablanca. All C's, and 2 from '74!
Intellectual Ninja Casablanca is great, but greatest screenplay of all time?
May 9, 2012 at 12:51AM ESTHmm... I go with an unconventional choice, but a choice that is taught in many classrooms as a "textbook" screenplay:
Back to the Future.
It has everything you want in a screenplay. A strong, likable, identifiable protagonist.
A clear, easy to follow sequence of events and problem to be solved.
Wish fulfillment for the audience.
Great dialogue, with nary a wasted consonant.
Clear direction for setting and action sequences.
A recognizable villain who receives his karmic just desserts.
A happy ending, with a twist, as the DeLorean flies away.
Great screenplay.
Kristopher Tapley Back to the Future is a fantastic screenplay. An awesome Oscar nod by the writers back in '85, I must say.
May 9, 2012 at 1:26AM ESTIntellectual Ninja
May 9, 2012 at 12:42AM EST Reply to CommentI'm with you on 12 Angry Men, a film that proves great writing and great performances can sustain 2 tense, dramatic hours without the need for far-flung locations, action-packed special effect sequences, or any super-duper, kinetic and vertigo-inducing camera moves.
But now I know why you so vociferously disagreed with my take on Citizen Kane the other day and why you kind of acted like a jerk about it. I mean, no one.. snnnnnnzzzzzzzzzzzz...
... oh, I'm sorry. I'm back. I just wandered off to sleep just even thinking about CK. :-D
Let's just say about that cold fish of a film, I'm very much with Drew's take.
Otherwise, a good list.
(Though I also strongly believe The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly is superior to Once Upon a Time in the West, it's really splitting hairs, isn't it? Maybe it's The Ecstasy of Gold that pushes it over the top for me)
Intellectual Ninja And only b/c you asked, here's my top-20 FAVORITE films, which doesn't mean best (too subjective a notion, don't you think?), which is always subject to change, and on my third viewing of The Avengers, might very-well do so shortly.
May 9, 2012 at 12:45AM EST20. WALL-e: To me this is the best work Pixar has done. Nothing but heart.
19. Match Point: Woody Allen at his supreme powers working outside his comfort zone. AMAZING film.
18. 12 Angry Men: The pure goodness of Henry Fonda in this film echoes the work done in my Number 3 pick.
17. Amadeus: Never gets enough credit. Two best actor statues should’ve gone out the year this came out. Tom Hulce is perfectly profane in his brilliance.
16. Notorious: Cary Grant & Ingrid Bergman, the most beautiful woman who ever lived. With Claude Raines, this thriller pulls you in close until the end.
15. West Side Story: The greatest musical ever. Romeo & Juliet in New York City.
14. The Dark Knight: Elevating “comic book film” to a kind of excellence not seen in ANY film. Zimmer’s score is pulse-pounding and eerily quiet all at once.
13. The Lion King: The best Disney film ever drawn. The music is amazing, the story brings tears & cheers. Hamlet never looked so good.
12. Vertigo: Hitchcock’s masterwork. Jimmy Stewart is unhinged, even a little nasty, but still very much sympathetic. Kim Novak is stunning.
11. The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly: I know others prefer Once Upon a Time in the West, but this is the height of Leone and Morricone’s powers. The Ecstasy of Gold reverberates in my ears daily.
10. Ghostbusters: The most-often quoted film of all time. Okay, maybe not, but it is by me. Back off, man, I’m a scientist. This film is pure joy. Murray, Aykroyd, and Ramis play so well together, and because of them, we’ll always know how to answer, “Who you gonna call?”
9. Raiders of the Lost Ark: Spielberg’s most fun film, William’s second-most heroic score (after Superman). Everything works. I could watch this film every day for the rest of my life.
8. Ben Hur: The pure spectacle that is Ben Hur was everything that was right with the old studio system. And Miklos Rozsa’s score is the most epic of epics scores from this time period.
7. Rashomon: Kurosawa’s seminal work changed film in so many ways: playing with time, the frame story, changing POV’s within the narrative, and he’s the first director to point his camera UP, and shoot the sun.
6. The Adventures of Robin Hood: I have never seen a film with better color. It saturates the screen. Everyone in this film is having the time of their lives. If Ingrid Bergman is the most beautiful woman who ever lived, Olvia D’Haviland is a close second. And the music… I wish this music was the soundtrack to my life. Rousing!
5. Jaws: Spielberg’s first major film is still his best. I know many say it’s derivative of Hitchcock, but this film really speaks with a clear voice, and I love how each act is like a different film and are so clearly delineated: the first, the attack and aftermath; the second: the moment people get off the ferry for the July 4th weekend and Bruce has is way with poor Alex and the guy in the pond, the third: the time spent on the Orca. I’ll never get over seeing this film. Ever. And William’s score? Brilliance in simplicity.
4. Young Frankenstein: I look at this list and can’t believe there aren’t more comedies, but out of the whole realm of comedic film, this is the greatest. There can be no argument. Well… okay, there can, that’s the point, but come on, you gonna argue this?
3. To Kill a Mockingbird: The most decent man in all of film exists in this movie. Gregory Peck’s Atticus Finch is the man I want to be, the man I long to be. Not perfect, but a great father, a decent human being, a caring, empathetic, just, righteous man.
2. Field of Dreams: I love this film. I’m a sucker for the baseball part of the story as much as I am for anything, but it’s the father-son part that really gets me. I cry. Every. Damn. Time. I love how Horner keeps the full orchestra sheathed, until he unleashes it at the last possible moment, when the emotions are the most raw… when Ray finally gets to have that last catch with his dad. It’s perfection.
1. The Lord of the Rings: My favorite novel of all time is The Lord of the Rings. There was NO way three films by the guy who made the fun trifle The Frighteners, was going to come close to what I saw in my mind every year I read the book (every year since I was 11… going on 20 years, now). And I was right… Jackson SURPASSED my own imagination. These are my, “now I can die in peace” films. Well… that is until The Hobbit is finished, I guess. But everything, from the acting (Sean Astin CARRIES these films) to Howard Shore’s brilliant, career-defining music… everything is perfect. Count me as one of those who doesn’t care about not seeing Bombadil or the Scouring of the Shire. The ONLY quibble I have with Jackson is not including Saruman’s demis in ROTK. Cutting those 5 minutes was a huge mistake, but in three perfect films, he’s allowed one mulligan.
Intellectual Ninja And yes, I realize I got the bit about Jaws wrong in my haste to put together this list last night at 0200 in the morning, and forgot to fix it here.
May 9, 2012 at 12:46AM ESTAlex Kitner's death, not the 4th Weekend, really begins that second act of Jaws.
Kristopher Tapley I didn't act like a jerk. I challenged you at your words. And Drew's take on it is much more thoughtful and respectful than yours. He clearly holds it in high esteem (noting that it is a highly significant film in the history of cinema), whereas you seem to think it's entirely unnecessary.
May 9, 2012 at 1:32AM ESTAnyway, good list. Distinguished. I like the Lion King pick, probably my #1 animated film of all time. (Though how is "favorite" not subjective if "best" is? Unless you just confused what you meant there.)
And since you note the quote-worthiness of Ghostbusters (I totally agree), you might enjoy this list we did a while back:
http://www.incontention.com/2009/06/09/the-lists-top-10-lines-from-ghostbusters/
Intellectual Ninja Oh, I understand the technical brilliance of CK... I just feel it is more a film of its time and less a timeless classic. I also find it, to be honest, for lack of a better word, tedious.
May 9, 2012 at 1:46AM ESTThen again, my dad finds Lawrence of Arabia boring, so everyone has the right to be wrong, right?
You're right, at that point, I actually did mean to say "objective."
I like that the art of film is subjective, that for each person it is different. You feel vastly different from I about Citizen Kane, for example, on a subjective level. I have no time for it, you revere it. I understand its merits as a film, but blanch at its inclusion on these lists that I feel should contain timeless classics that 100 years from now wouldn't be a step out of place. To me, subjectively, CK is dated. It furthered many processes we now take for granted in how a film is shot & produced, yes, but I think the Sight & Sound lists could do with a little less Citizen Kane and a little more timeless classics like 12 Angry Men or To Kill a Mockingbird, films that, even though they may be my subjective favorites, can and do fit right in with many objective, academic "lists."
And don't take the jerk comment to heart. The smiley face denotes a not taking it serious on my part. Maybe I can get Eli Manning to pantomime it? Hah!
Intellectual Ninja I look at a film like The Lion King, and it is just as, if not more, beautiful as ANY work Pixar has done, and I don't understand why Disney can't do that anymore?
May 9, 2012 at 1:52AM ESTWhy they don't take some of the brilliant idea guys from the Pixar side and use some of those ideas that become WALL-e or Up, and use them to create beautiful, hand-drawn works of art.
I challenge anyone to watch the scene in The Lion King, where Mufasa and Simba look over the Serengeti as he explains to his cub the Circle of Life, and not be moved by the artistry of the vast expanse before the two lions.
Of course, the art is nothing without the story and words, and everything in that film is perfect, a culmination of what was started with The Little Mermaid and slowly perfected with Beauty & the Beast and Aladdin.
Too bad after The Lion King, the other films were just... disappointing.
Intellectual Ninja
May 9, 2012 at 2:08AM EST Reply to CommentThe best thing about film is how deeply personal it can be.
I think about my favorites... about how I still refuse to swim in the ocean, or how I hope one day to resolve any issue with my father by having a catch, or how when I was a kid, I ran outside immediately after watching Errol Flynn battle Sir Basil in The Adventures of Robin Hood and got my friends together to be Robin & his Merry Men.
I think of the time in 1985, when I saw Back to the Future on successive weekends with my dad and brother, because even as a 5 year-old, I knew just how special that film was.
I think of wearing out VHS copies of Ghostbusters and Raiders of the Lost Ark (I went through 2 copies of Ghostbusters during my childhood... just wore the damn things out).
I remember how after watching To Kill a Mockingbird the first time, I was so angry I cried about how justice had failed poor Tom.
I hate the idea of trying to label any film as "best." The films that affect us, they're deeply personal works of art that sometimes feel as if they were made FOR us.
I think trying to be objective about them misses the point entirely.
Yeah, Citizen Kane, The Seventh Seal, Battleship Potemkim... these films probably deserve to be on a "best" list... but I have little, if any, personal connection to them.
I dunno... it's almost like ranking a Rapheal over a Monet (or a Picasso, or a Rembrandt, etc, etc).
We never try to objectively rank the "best" single painting in the world, or sculpture, or what have you.
So why do we do it with film (and even television sitcoms and dramas)?
Is it because we as a society still don't view film as a completely viable art form, on par with the masters of the canvass or stonework?
Is not the personal connection I have to Starry Night or The Scream just as valid as the one I have to Jaws or The Lord of the Rings?
I like to think so.
It is strange, though. We will argue which film is the best ever, but not which painting is the best ever.
Maybe film needs to be a few more hundred years. Anyway... sorry for the digression.
Chris138
May 9, 2012 at 2:12AM EST Reply to CommentMy personal top 10 in no order:
The Thin Red Line (Terrence Malick)
Hoop Dreams (Steve James)
City of God (Fernando Mereilles)
The Night of the Hunter (Charles Laughton)
Raiders of the Lost Ark (Steven Spielberg)
Touch of Evil (Orson Welles)
North by Northwest (Alfred Hitchcock)
The Shawshank Redemption (Frank Darabont)
Apocalypse Now (Francis Ford Coppola)
Sunset Boulevard (Billy Wilder)
Honorable mentions:
Sherlock Jr. (Buster Keaton)
M (Fritz Lang)
Taxi Driver (Martin Scorsese)
Blade Runner (Ridley Scott)
At Close Range (James Foley)
Chris138
May 9, 2012 at 2:17AM EST Reply to CommentBy the way, good call on 12 Angry Men. One of the most absorbing experiences I've had watching a story unfold. I picked up the Criterion release a little while ago and I can't wait to give it a spin soon.
jrmoviedude
May 9, 2012 at 11:28AM EST Reply to CommentMy list:
1. The Decalogue (Kieslowski)
2. The Diving Bell and the Butterfly (Schnabel)
3. The Seventh Seal (Bergman)
4. Metropolis (Lang)
5. The Apartment (Wilder)
6. Persona (Bergman)
7. Seven Samurai (Kurosawa)
8. Three Colors trilogy (Kieslowski)
9. City Lights (Chaplin)
10. The Thin Red Line (Malick)
Honorable Mentions:
L.A. Confidential (Hanson), The Maltese Falcon (Huston), Notorious (Hitchcock), Citizen Kane (Welles), The Philadelphia Story (1940)
Andrej
May 9, 2012 at 11:38AM EST Reply to CommentIn no particular order (aside from being alphabetically listed):
Akira
Close Encounters Of The Third Kind
Fantasia
Memento
Scarface
Snow White & The Seven Dwarves
The Social Network
Terminator 2: Judgment Day
There Will Be Blood
2001: A Space Odyssey
I still need to see like a trillion other movies to make a proper list, though. Lol.
Edward L.
May 9, 2012 at 2:13PM EST Reply to CommentHere are ten of mine (in alphabetical order):
Annie Hall
Casablanca
Chinatown
Come and See
Le Fils
The Godfather
King Kong (1933)
Late Spring
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
Where Eagles Dare
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