10 things we learned from the 85th Academy Awards nominations
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It's been two days since the Academy Awards nominations were announced and Hollywood is still getting over the snubs and surprises. Like Nancy Kerrigan's primal cry of "Why? Why? Why?" echoing through time, industry pundits, critics across the globe, a plethora of Sony Pictures employees and Academy members not in the directing branch are opening questioning how Kathryn Bigelow could have been overlooked in the best directing category. And the outrage over Ben Affleck's omission is only slightly quieter. Clearly, it's never to late to review the lessons the Academy's collective membership have taught us so far this year. With that in mind, here's 10 things we've learned so far.
Somehow "Zero Dark Thirty" and "Argo" directed themselves
While fans of "Amour" are thrilled that Michael Haneke made the cut, it's hard to see why David O. Russell did. That's not a dig on the "Silver Lining" director, but any member of that branch who thinks Russell did superior work to Kathryn Bigelow or Ben Affleck this year has to have another agenda with their vote. Of the two omissions Bigelow's is the most disheartening. Not just because she won more best director honors from critics groups across the country, but because it's too easy to see a vein of sexism reappearing in this notoriously male dominated branch. Yes, we know. She won best director for "The Hurt Locker," but two nominations? Guess that's just too much for the good ol' boys. And as for Affleck, it's clear his peers insist the former screenwriter winner impress them with more than three fine films on his resume.
The Actor's branch appreciated "The Master" more than the other branches
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Some diehards in the Academy may be happy with the new 5% rule which qualifies the best picture nominees and has now resulted in two years of nine out of a potential 10 nominees. The problem, however, is that since this rule went into effect it is not helping the more "populist" films that many in the industry believe deserve inclusion (and we won't even get into what audiences think should be nominated). This year's victim appears to be "Skyfall." One of the best reviewed films of the year and one of the biggest blockbusters with $1 billion worldwide, Sam Mendes' take on 007 appeared to have a significant shot at landing a best picture nod. It even made the cut for the PGA's ten nominees and dominated the BAFTA nominations earlier this week. And with Javier Bardem's SAG nomination you could make the assumption the actor's branch would support it as well. That wasn't the case. Bardem didn't make the supporting actor cut (Christoph Waltz did instead) and "Skyfall" had to make due with five nominations: song, original score, sound editing, sound mixing, and cinematography. With all that support it's a given it would have made the cut under the old rules. What film will be burned next year? Time to revisit this rule Academy.
The Academy has issues with Leonardo DiCaprio
"Django Unchained" came relatively late to the party, but not late enough for Christoph Waltz to land a best actor, cough, er, best supporting actor nomination. The previous winner for "Inglorious Basterds" will no doubt be thrilled he's found a significant fan base in the Academy, but his inclusion left out the better supporting turn by co-star Leonardo DiCaprio. Granted, DiCaprio did not do a lot of press for "Django" nor did he do an inkling of campaigning (his decision obviously) but you could say the same for "The Master's" Joaquin Phoenix (hardly a beloved actor at the moment), Philip Seymour Hoffman or "Amour's" Emmanuelle Riva. Ever since DiCaprio was nominated for "Blood Diamond" instead of "The Departed" five years ago he's arguably had five great performances overlooked by the Academy for a nomination including "Django." What's changed? DiCaprio hasn't done anything criminal or been caught screaming at a craft services cook. Pundits may say the Academy just doesn't like Ben Affleck, but recently they've been proving they really don't like DiCaprio.
Even the below the line categories continues to discriminate
The more things change, the more things stay the same. Even with the below the line categories. Let's see here, so the production design for "Les Miserables" or "Lincoln" was more impressive than "Prometheus" or "The Dark Knight Rises"? Sound mixing for "Argo" and "Lincoln" was superior than "The Avengers," "Cloud Atlas" or "Looper"? The score for "Skyfall" was more impactful and memorable than that of "Cloud Atlas"? The costumes for "Lincoln" and "Les Miserables" were a stronger achievement than the work in "Cloud Atlas" or "The Dark Knight Rises"? So on, and so on.
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Next 92 CommentsJLPatt
January 12, 2013 at 10:34PM EST Reply to Comment"Skyfall" received five nominations, not six.
And the DiCaprio thing is just silly. Maybe he didn't deserve to be nominated this year? Ever thought of that? I think he was pretty badly miscast in the flick.
Joe I honestly don't understand why everyone is always so angry that DiCaprio is constantly "snubbed". He's a pretty terrible, one note actor, and clearly AMPAS doesn't really feel the need to reward him. It also doesn't help that he never really campaigns.
January 12, 2013 at 10:44PM ESTMatt Agreed on DiCaprio, Waltz deserved it much more.
January 12, 2013 at 10:46PM ESTDylanS Joe, the general public doesn't feel the same way you do about DiCaprio, so THATS why they're always so angry.
January 12, 2013 at 11:20PM ESTMilez Dicaprio always deserves a nomination for oscars and he should have won couple of times. But academy awards have some issues with him. This times academy awards are just shit
January 12, 2013 at 11:27PM ESTnic919 I don't love everything DiCaprio does, but he had one of the better performances in Django Unchained, along with Sam Jackson. Walz was fine, but he was not the most memorable actor from that film.
January 13, 2013 at 12:37AM EST
Anyone who thinks DiCaprio is a bad actor obviously watches movies with their rear end and not with their eyes and ears.
January 13, 2013 at 1:11AM ESTJJ1 I feel like Dicaprio would have to lick the academy's you know what to get a nom and potential win nowadays. Don't get it.
January 13, 2013 at 11:39AM ESTjuls Reply to comment...
January 13, 2013 at 12:24PM ESTjuls Oops. I think timing was an issue with Leo's lack of press and campaigning. He's been filming with Scorsese and as he's the subject of the biopic, I can't imagine he had many spare hours during the days around the release of Django. I think he would have done more press if he could.
January 13, 2013 at 12:36PM ESTDana Possible reasons why The Academy has a DiCaprio problem:
January 13, 2013 at 3:40PM ESTJealousy: He´s a box office draw, good-looking, never gets into trouble, manages his career brilliantly and is more talented and fearless than they are.
Arnie Grape: Twice, since I started Oscar watching, Brad Pitt has gotten in over DiCaprio. Both times people were saying: "It´s a career best performance for Pitt!" AMPAS seem to love to award people who suddenly shine brighter than usual. DiCap sort of shone from the get go.
Titanic: Being the object of young girls´ love is toxic. Things that young girls like are always ridiculed and shunned; it´s a low status group. And when there is something vaguely sexual involved, it makes boys jealous and men uncomfortable.
Critics groups: They, too, have a DiCaprio problem, so he loses buzz during the precursor part of the season. Many critics seem to have only grudgingly accepted that he is a good actor.
Voland My main problem is Alan Arkins nomination, his performance feels unworthy of such honors. Only in the context of his nomination the exclusion of Dicaprio annoys me.
January 13, 2013 at 4:28PM ESTW.J. DiCaprio has had three nominations. Aside from the Academy recognizing the wrong performance in 2007, I think that's an appropriate amount of recognition.
January 13, 2013 at 6:28PM ESTI, for one, don't count "five great performances" since 2006, at least not in the context of the actors DiCaprio was up against. Using Greg's logic, DiCaprio would've been nominated for 5 of the 6 movies he made during that time. The argument could be made for Revolutionary Road (in which case, who would you oust? Penn? Pitt? Langella? Rourke? Jenkins?), but the other five roles don't scream Oscar to me.
I'm sure DiCaprio will be nominated again. As for his lack of campaigning, DiCaprio probably doesn't feel comfortable trolling for recognition. Kudos to him for that.
Andrew He's one of those actors that never really disappears into his roles, imo. You can see the wheels turning in his head and his performances always seem forced (with the exception of Romeo + Juliet, which he was amazing in).
January 13, 2013 at 6:46PM ESTMatt
January 12, 2013 at 10:43PM EST Reply to Comment'That's not a dig on the "Silver Lining" director, but any member of that branch who thinks Russell did superior work to Kathryn Bigelow or Ben Affleck this year has to have another agenda with their vote.' While I agree that Bigelow and Affleck were snubbed, I'm not sure on this doesn't read as a dig. I guess personal taste doesn't account for anything these days.
Matt I meant 'how' not 'on'. It's not like they picked Battleship's director...
January 12, 2013 at 10:44PM EST
Well, yes, the director's branch usually has good taste. Russell over Bigelow or Affleck? Come on. Hope you're not working for TWC.
January 12, 2013 at 11:07PM ESTMatt Dude, I agreed they were snubbed. Just saying, if you're going to take a shot, don't act like it's not a shot.
January 12, 2013 at 11:14PM ESTAndrew F Sorry, Greg. I gotta agree here: you're totally taking a shot against Russell. It's not like this is all objective fact (i.e. Bigelow is better than Affleck, who is better than Russell), which you also imply with your analysis of Waltz ("his inclusion left out the better supporting turn by co-star Leonardo DiCaprio").
January 12, 2013 at 11:23PM ESTDylanS What Russell did, regardless what anybody who doesn't like the film says, IS a directorial achievement. An ensemble performance like that doesn't just direct itself, especially not with wildcards like Chris Tucker and De Niro. That takes skill as a director, as does finding the impeccable tonal balance that Russell finds with SLP. I'm so sick of people undermining what goes into directing a smaller scale film and acting like those types of films just direct themselves.
January 12, 2013 at 11:24PM ESTMatt Thank you Andrew, I love how I got attacked for making a simple observation and agreeing with Mr. Ellwood's claim that Bigelow and Affleck were more deserving. These things aren't objective, Silver Linings Playbook is a flawed, but warm-hearted film, it's pretty easy to see how people could connect to it. The Academy clearly did, I don't get the big deal. Argo isn't without its flaws, specifically the last 15-20 minutes. I mean, I'm offended by TWC claim. That's just a cheap and uninitiated shot, I guess that sort of sums up how people can get so warped up in these things.
January 12, 2013 at 11:29PM ESTDylanS "Well, yes, the director's branch usually has good taste. Russell over Bigelow or Affleck? Come on."
January 12, 2013 at 11:38PM ESTThis, I believe, is a textbook definition of taking a shot, Greg. And it's like you're implying that Russell is some sort of hack director who isn't even in the same league with Bigelow and Affleck, simply because you don't like his direction of the film. This is the guy who made "Three Kings" for christ sake!
Voland Agreed, Dylans. So many claim, Russell "robbed" someone else, but never care to explain, what makes Afflecks directory achievement in Argo more worthy?
January 13, 2013 at 4:36PM ESTAaron McMahon How did Gregory Ellwood get on In Contention? I started reading this column because Tapley was above taking easy Weinstein pot shots.
January 14, 2013 at 5:28AM EST
Aaron, that's the only reason? Not the quality of Kris or Guy's writing? Or the analysis they bring? Just that one thing?
January 14, 2013 at 6:31AM ESTAaron McMahon 1. I was being a dick. At least I got an editor to respond to it.
January 14, 2013 at 6:47AM EST2. I get tired of "hey this person didn't get nominated, let's bash one of the nominees" instead of let's see why they got nominated other than socio-Hollywood politics.
3. If Zero Dark Thirty's snub was about sexism, why didn't they go for any of the clearly obvious male contenders? There was Tarantino and Hooper as easy fixes if they were women hating chauvinists. Clearly the Academy loved Beasts and Amour based on the category nominations.
matthew
January 12, 2013 at 10:44PM EST Reply to CommentThe only crime about the Waltz nomination is that he wasn't nominated for lead, which is what he really is in the movie.
Waltz deserves the nomination more than DiCaprio as did Sam Jackson. DiCaprio just didn't wow me as much as I would have expected in the story.
kyled13
January 12, 2013 at 10:54PM EST Reply to CommentClearly they didn't like "Cloud Atlas" as you had to unfortunately remind us.
PS "Beasts" was included in the PGA nominations
LoveforBuzz I am sorely disappointed that Hollywood, and the guilds, and the Academy did not take to "Cloud Atlas". Maybe not Best Picture, but definitely one of my favorites for the year. A very ambitious and challenging film that I think was pulled off very well. The acting alone should have been consideted and greatly recognize esp. Tom Hanks and Doona Bee for Best Actor and Suppirting Actor respectively. And I was hoping at the very freaking least that beautiful soul atirring score would get nominated and win. But at least get nominated. First The King's Speech, now this year's snubbed noms. Come on. Why should people care about Oscars anymore if they are not even going to consider worthwhile films.
January 13, 2013 at 2:46AM ESTJJ1 I think cloud atlas omissions for art direction and score are most glaring.
January 13, 2013 at 11:40AM ESTkyled13 The score omission hurt the most to me. Half of the film revovles around the original piece of the "Cloud Atlas Sextet." But I'm glad it was nominated for a GG at least
January 13, 2013 at 1:17PM ESTmsd I do think "snubbed" is an overused term. It implies some kind of deliberation, no? Nowadays with up to ten Best pic nominations there are always going to be at least a few Best Pic directors who will miss out. It's not like the Beresford and Driving Miss Daisy days when the numbers were in sync. No doubt the voting is very tight in this category - a few votes here are there and one person gets the nod over another...
January 13, 2013 at 10:33PM ESTmsd Oops, sorry, posted in the wrong comment thread.
January 13, 2013 at 10:34PM ESTAshish
January 12, 2013 at 11:11PM EST Reply to Commentso what's wrong if the academy members are old? do you want 10 year olds who think that transformers 3 is the best picture of the year. and chris nolan films are terrible. someone needs to say this out loud. they are awful films, loud, verbose, hammy and without any artistic merit - a billion dollars notwithstanding. i think the academy has shown great taste and sensibility in ignoring him. SKYFALL for best picture? please! just go back to 5 films for best picture. someone will always be overlooked . there is no conspiracy here. decaprio is 37 years old and people act as if he has been passed over a million times. cary grant, peter o toole - far superior actors never won and no one cared. why must every talented person win an oscar?
John G. The People's Choice Awards prove every year that the older, more sophisticated Academy membership is a good thing.
January 12, 2013 at 11:57PM ESTJJ1 I prefer them older than younger
January 13, 2013 at 11:41AM ESTDavid No we don't want 10 year olds - but is that our only alternative?
January 13, 2013 at 8:15PM ESTpar
January 12, 2013 at 11:17PM EST Reply to Comment"Can anyone honesty argue ""5 Broken Cameras," "The Gatekeepers," "How to Survive A Plague," "The House I Live In," "The Invisible War" and "Searching For Sugar Man" aren't worthy nominees? "
I can honestly argue that 'The House I Live In' isn't a worthy nominee simply by stating it isn't nominated.
PJ
January 12, 2013 at 11:30PM EST Reply to CommentI thought after The Social Network lost to The King's Speech that we learned that critics don't vote Oscar. Seems like that homework needs to be redone after Affleck and Bigelow snub.
Pitdoc
January 12, 2013 at 11:31PM EST Reply to CommentI think those old fogeys in the Academy still remember Affleck strutting a bit too much when he won for screenplay years ago. And YES, I think the liberals in the Acadmeny zinged Bigelow because they think her movie promoted torture(which it didn't) , not because of sexism .
Edwin That was my original thought too, but since most of the controversy is centered around the screenplay, why did they still nominate Mark Boal but snub Kathryn Bigelow? I mean, Bigelow was just directing the screenplay Boal wrote for her. I'm sure it wasn't Bigelow's idea to include torture as a plot point. I might have actually understood a snub for Mark Boal, but I still can't quite understand Bigelow's snub. I'd like to hear an Academy insider's perspective on it, but I don't think we'll get to anytime soon.
January 13, 2013 at 12:03AM ESTMatt Original Screenplay was pretty weak this year, I mean when a film like Flight can get a nomination there (not a terrible film, just one where all the problems stem from the script), that pretty much sums things up. Moonrise Kingdom, Zero Dark Thirty, Django Unchained and Amour are deserving nominees, but the field this year for that category wasn't very expansive. I would have gone with The Master over Flight, but as much as I love The Master, that's a film that has the majority of its issues stem from its script.
January 13, 2013 at 12:08AM ESTPete I think your analysis is spot-on. Her fellow directors punished Bigelow for reporting the interrogation techniques rather than condemning them. Bigelow recounted the "facts" (yes, some Senators disputed this) and left it to the audience to draw conclusions and judgments. She took a very compllcated story line and found a clear way to present it. It was compelling, informative and dramatic and brought us a heroine who had the courage and stamina of her certain knowledge that she had discovered where Bin Laden was hiding.
January 13, 2013 at 12:15AM ESTAl Flight was this years best screenplay.
January 13, 2013 at 2:16AM ESTJJ1 Afflecks omission is stranger, to me. I thought Argo was an academy juggernaut. But the directors in that branch didn't go for him as much as the others.
January 13, 2013 at 11:43AM ESTBigelow. She just won. The movie has controversy. And yeah, she's a woman. Her omission makes a tiny tiny tiny by more sense.
But both missing is still a shocker.
ted
January 12, 2013 at 11:48PM EST Reply to CommentHoffman definitely has a chance of winning.
John G.
January 12, 2013 at 11:56PM EST Reply to CommentI think we need to be more reserved when reading social and political agendas into the nominees. Kathryn Bigelow was snubbed because of sexism? I'm not convinced. There's plenty of other reasons they might or might not have included her. Including, of course, their opinion of the movie. And what makes you think a younger membership would have nominated Perks of Being a Wallflower? My teenaged sister saw the movie and hated it. It's not all demographics.
Xavier
January 12, 2013 at 11:57PM EST Reply to CommentOk first of all I can definitely say I do not think that Affleck being left out is a mistake. The direction was solid for the most part, but hardly remarkable and with numerous quite poor choices, not one of the best of the year. Bigelow's direction is far more potent and Russel over her is far more cause for scrutiny. Paul Thomas Anderson as well is a big snub, if you are going to reward a director in full force and trying something daring, there's your example from 2012. And hey, if the 5% rule helped films like Amour and Beasts get in at the cost of slightly above average, but problematic action fare like skyfall, then personally, I'm completely ok with it, public be damned.
Lars I agree. Affleck's direction was good, but I think it lacked emotional connection and a distinct style to be nominated. I think Russell is smart and found a way to get into the Academy circle by directing bland, above average, mainstream movies. However, I absolutely think these movies are unremarkable at best. Especially love your last two sentences! I just find it amusing that the "public" would lament the nominations because they are not "popular" and big-budget enough. Well, I always think the Academy as a place where smaller films like Amour would get a chance to shine. But of course instead of being curious about it and maybe try watching it, the people will get all offensive and complain why "Skyfall" or "Dark Knight" didn't get nominated. That mentality is both childish and close-minded. I've seen both blockbusters, and no, they are not worthy of nominations because they are only above average (however, I would rather one or both of them nominated than SLP or Les Mis).
January 13, 2013 at 2:03PM ESTAaron McMahon I've always thought Affleck has been overrated as a director. Argo was a great movie but the weakest part was the direction which relied too much on Back to the Future style, down to the wire contrivances.
January 14, 2013 at 1:46AM ESTDavid O Russell hit the line perfectly between uncomfortable comedy and realistic depiction of middle class America.
Xavier Yep agree with you guys 100%. Argo pulls all the cheapest thriller tricks, especially towards the end, it just gets ridiculous, it doesn't work in a "true" story. All the banter with the Arkin and Goodman's characters I found insipid (Argo fuck yourseld, give me a break).
January 14, 2013 at 1:57AM ESTIt also annoys me that people who saw under 10 of only the most mainstream blockbusters feel justified decrying choices of movies they have not nor probably will ever see. You can't say Dark Knight Rises is the best film of the year when you haven't seen Beasts, Amour, The Master, or even more obvious stuff like Lincoln, Zero Dark Thirty or even Argo.
I don't hate SLP and would easily put it above skyfall and DKR, but it does follow the rom com formula too closely, I saw the "twist" coming a mile off, and there were just not enough of those real family moments or genuine character moments/struggles that were occasionally hit really well. The way the ending wraps up also just did not hit me right.
Mitch Please Lars tell us again about your asshole as if it were fact, because nobody else has one.
January 14, 2013 at 3:39AM ESTLars Wow, Mitch, what an intelligent comment! What are you? Just graduated from kindergarten? Are you one of those people that Xavier is talking about? I always don't understand these people who keep complaining about the Academy doesn't nominate their favorite films. If it's your favorite film, why do you care if the Academy nominate it or not? If you think Tyler Perry's "Alex Cross" is your favorite film, that's fine. It's your opinion. Just don't say the Academy sucks because it doesn't nominate Alex Cross. Honestly Mitch, I can tell you more about my asshole is you leave your email here. Please tell me you've seen Beasts, Armour, the Master, Rust and Bone, moonrise Kingdom, Lincoln, Zero Dark Thirty? No, Hunger Games does not count!
January 14, 2013 at 4:33AM ESTMitch I never said any of the things you accused me of saying, nor have i ever complained about the academy (what's the point?). I have seen all of the films you mentioned aside from the foreign films and agree they all surpass the blockbusters in quality, but to say that Skyfall was completely without merit as a film is ludicrous. It completely deserves the cinematography nomination and, in my opinion, a best picture mention had this not been such a brilliant year. I shouldn't have provoked the argument the way i did though and i apologize. mai11c@my.fsu.edu
January 16, 2013 at 4:40PM ESTI'd love to hear what you have to say.
Matt
January 13, 2013 at 12:08AM EST Reply to CommentSkyfall does not deserve to be nominated. I was not impressed at all by it. Casino Royal was way better The Academy defitnitely has a problem with Di Caprio. And what about the Academy snobbing The Untouchables
nic919 I wonder if some of the members thought that Amour was the entry from France and did not bother watching The Untouchables.
January 13, 2013 at 12:43AM ESTEvan
January 13, 2013 at 12:14AM EST Reply to Comment"With all that support it's a given [Skyfall] would have made the cut under the old rules."
Under what old rules? That there would be ten nominees, not somewhere between five and ten? Because I don't think it's a given that Skyfall was the tenth in line. You also had Moonrise, The Master, and The Impossible fighting for that spot.
And other than the number of nominees and a slight change to how many ballots are redistributed, there really haven't been any chances in the way the Academy tabulates its votes.
Danny
January 13, 2013 at 12:21AM EST Reply to CommentGreg, As others have already pointed out:
Skyfall got 5, not 6 noms. It was not, as you stated, nominated for editing.
There are only 5 Feature Doc noms, of course. The House I Live In isn't one of them.
This on top of the numerous errors when you first posted the supposed complete nominations list Thursday morning.
Honestly, Greg, it's sloppy.
a
January 13, 2013 at 12:37AM EST Reply to CommentGreg you are a pretentious dweeb whose idea of outrage is only caused by your own myopic views that only the things you predicted should be nominated.
And yes, the costumes and production design of Lincoln really was better than some of the things you have mentioned. And the sound too, which was fantastic.
David
January 13, 2013 at 1:01AM EST Reply to CommentThe Oscars have proven themselves to be out-of-touch and irrelevant. I won't even watch this year.
Samantha
January 13, 2013 at 1:05AM EST Reply to CommentOne thing I disagree with: Thomas Newman absolutely deserved that nomination for Skyfall. He did a brilliant job with that score and it's a James Bond movie of course it has a memorable and impactful score with that theme. While Cloud Atlas had a beautiful score, Skyfall had a more than worthy score and it's about time the Academy recognizes it. Another score that should have been nominated was The Hobbit by Howard Shore. I mean, come on. The man won the Oscar for Fellowship of the Ring AND Return of the King why not the Hobbit!?!?!?
loogenhausen
January 13, 2013 at 1:12AM EST Reply to CommentNo one seems to be talking about how horribly overrated Life of Pi is. If I want to be preached to, I'll watch the 700 Club.
JJ1 It is overrated. But i also feel like it could win best picture. 11 noms. Ang Lee is loved. It could win 3-4 oscars if not more.
January 13, 2013 at 11:45AM ESTThe Dude
January 13, 2013 at 1:37AM EST Reply to CommentWhy is Elwood dismissing PSH's chances? Seems to me he has at least as much of a chance as anyone in this category.
I mean, no one thinks his previous victory was unfair (unlike TLJ, or Arkin), his film doesn't have bigger chances elsewhere and he's doing consistent work over the years (unlike De Niro), and he hasn't won all that recently (unlike Waltz).
Plus, seems he's the closest to be villain than anyone else in this category, and the bad guys usually do well.
JJ1 I think PSH could win too. But what he doesn't have is the entire academy loving his movie. The academy loves Lincoln, Django, Argo, and SLP ... Which the other 4 nominees are in.
January 13, 2013 at 11:47AM ESTAl
January 13, 2013 at 2:07AM EST Reply to Comment"but any member of that branch who thinks Russell did superior work to Kathryn Bigelow or Ben Affleck this year has to have another agenda with their vote."
Like, you know, maybe they didn't like those movies as much as others? I have honestly had it with this talk of an Affleck/Bigelow snub. This was the toughest race to get a best director nod in, well, who knows how long. Yes, Bigelow and Affleck were way more expected then Russel, Zeitlin, and Haneke, but that doesn't mean their nominations weren't as deserved. They all did amazing this year, and id say the 'snub' of the 'favorites' came down to personal taste or just the fact that the field was so incredibly crowded. I know people weren't calling it, but I'm sure PTA got his fair share of votes too, even Tarantino (Maybe even Hooper). There was no snub, and no ulterior motives. If you want to blame anything, blame an exceptional movie year.
And Zero Dark Thirty having less of a showing then Hurt Locker could possibly mean that it isn't quite as good as Hurt Locker? I doubt a branch largely made up of the same people that make up the DGA has any problem with Bigelow....
briguyx I believe the snubs for Bigelow and Affleck has to do with the director's branch going for movies that had showier or deeper performances. Sure "Argo" and "Zero Dark Thirty" are structured well and look great, but movies like "Amour" and "Silver Linings" have actors that really go for it. Even comparing "Hurt Locker" to "Zero Dark Thirty," Renner is a lot more memorable than Chastain personality wise.
January 13, 2013 at 2:31AM ESTJJ1 Interesting point above by briguyx
January 13, 2013 at 11:48AM ESTLevi
January 13, 2013 at 2:30AM EST Reply to CommentI may be able to take you seriously Ellwood if you were not endlessly promoting one of the worst films of the year, Cloud Atlas. As it stands, I am very happy with the nominations (though I do think DiCaprio should have got the nod instead of Waltz since his part was indeed supporting, and he was damn good). Otherwise, I love the recognition for the great, legendary, Haneke and the young man with a dinstinctive voice and vision, Zeitlin. This has been one of the best Oscar nomination years since No Country for Old Men. And I'm pleased.
LoveforBuzz Ashish-no. Christopher Nolan is a fucking genuis. There's a reason people (even in Hollywood) were upset The Dark Knight get a Best Picture nom. As well, Inception was nominated. He draws great actors and support from the WB cause he makes great pieces of work. Memento was changing. Levi- Cloud Atlas was not the worst film. If a movie is going to be nominated for abest Picture and win- it better impress me greatly. I should not see any reason why it should not win. Same goes for directing and acting. I don't get to read the scripts so I don't know. But, here's th thing, I think direction should be about what you are seeing. The kind of camera work, the structure, the tone. Silver Linings as a film is good. Russell was good. Bigelow had to work with and direct (choreograph) a whole lot more. I was more impressed by Zero Dark Thirty than the Hurt Locker as far as both Direction and film. As for Russell as a film and director I was more impressed with The Fighter. I think the writing of Silver Lings os tremendous and the performances are very deserving. And I was more impressed by Hathaway in Dark Knight Rises than Les Mis. There' was nothing in her ten-fifteen minutes that made me think this is it. Great voice but that's not acting. That's singing. Judi Dench in Skyfall and Maggie Smith in Best E,xotic Marigold were way better and. That movie too was snubbed. And its about older people. Very disappointed this year.
January 13, 2013 at 3:10AM ESTLoveforBuzz And I meant to say upset the Dark Knight was not nominated for Best Pic. And that he is a genuis and Inception was nominated. Cause that spinning top did more in those few seconds than most films can do in its entirety.
January 13, 2013 at 3:24AM ESTLevi I have no idea what you just said.
January 13, 2013 at 3:32AM ESTRicardo Well, I think "Cloud Atlas" is one of the best films of the year if not the best.
January 13, 2013 at 10:27AM ESTGeorge Kaplan
January 13, 2013 at 3:31AM EST Reply to CommentAs long as there are five director nominees and up to ten picture nominees, four or five of the films will always have directed themselves. It would be REALLY surprising if a director was nominated without landing a picture nod. I think saying Bigelow's lack of nomination is sexist is incredibly presumptuous and unfair. Is it possible they just didn't like the movie as much as you??? I mean, they could be sexist but a lot of pundits whose picks were wrong seem to eager to jump to that conclusion if you ask me.
http://cinema-ramblings.blogspot.com/2013/01/oscar-nominations-agony-and-ecstasy.html
Jo
January 13, 2013 at 4:41AM EST Reply to CommentKatheryn Bigelo doesn't get a nom, and therefore the academy is sexist. What a ridiculous statement. She won more awards than she deserved in 2008. Hurt Locker was average and this movie is as on the nose as you can get. Pathetic.
m
January 13, 2013 at 6:46AM EST Reply to CommentDon't play too dificoult and controversial character.
- Kidman's case
Damned Martian
January 13, 2013 at 6:47AM EST Reply to Comment"The costumes for "Lincoln" and "Les Miserables" were a stronger achievement than the work in "Cloud Atlas" or "The Dark Knight Rises"?"
Well, yes. But thanks for asking.
JJ1 I think les Mis and Lincoln deserved their noms for art direction and costumes, absolutely.
January 13, 2013 at 11:49AM ESTm
January 13, 2013 at 6:48AM EST Reply to CommentDon't play too dificoult and controversial role.
Kidman's case.
Edward L.
January 13, 2013 at 7:23AM EST Reply to CommentI have numerous problems with this article, most of which have already been covered by others commenting here. But I have to ask, when you say that the average Academy voter is male, white and in his mid 60s...how do you come up with an average voter being male?
Edward L. Or white, for that matter?
January 13, 2013 at 7:24AM ESTDamned Martian http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/movies/academy/la-et-unmasking-oscar-academy-project-html,0,7473284.htmlstory
January 13, 2013 at 8:45AM ESTEdward L. Damned Martian: Thanks for this article, and yes, these demographics are well known - but my point is specifically that it feels wrong to call this an average. To say that the average voter is male suggests that there are some voters that are more than male and some are less. Same with white. It's better to say, if needed, that it's the vast majority that are male/white. (Average does, however, fit much more comfortably with age.)
January 13, 2013 at 9:36AM ESTRicardo
January 13, 2013 at 10:24AM EST Reply to Comment"Somehow "Zero Dark Thirty" and "Argo" directed themselves"
That makes no sense whatsoever. There are 9 best picture nominees and 5 best director. Even if you are one of those who think best director and best picture should align, is it so hard to fathom that "SLP", "Lincoln", "Life of Pi", "Amour" and "Beasts" are better than "Argo" and "ZDT" in the Academy's eyes?
I haven't seen "ZDT" but I have seen "Argo" and "SLP". I liked "Argo" but I don't think Ben Affleck is more deserving than David O. Russel. "Argo" is certainly tidier but the scene with the guards had me wondering "Really? You were doing so well until now!". I probably enjoyed "SLP" more and that has much to do with O' Russel. I loved the camera work and he got four (!) actors nominated. He deserves it.
I don't want to be one of those guys who always complains therefore I must say HitFix's Oscar coverage has been very good. Congratulations.
HoustonRufus
January 13, 2013 at 11:39AM EST Reply to CommentThe whole snub conversation is making me weary. I tend to see these less as snubs and more as five others got more votes. The notion that the Academy voters or whatever respective branch willfully excluded certain candidates almost gives them too much credit. My choices don't align with all of theirs, but they liked the five they liked. That's the bottom line. Also this constant focus on snubs too casually discounts the achievements of those who were nominated.
JJ1 That's exactly right. The directors obviously lovvvvvvved beasts of the southern wild. And they obviously respected Hanekes work. It's not that they disliked Argo or ZD30.
January 13, 2013 at 11:51AM ESTSilencio
January 13, 2013 at 12:56PM EST Reply to CommentPeople talk a lot about the generational qualities of the membership, and how most of them are old and white. I'm curious what the nomination patterns will be like in another 50 years, when most of the membership may still be older, but maybe a little less male and a little less white. Hmm...
prettok old farts will always be old farts, no matter what race or gender they are.
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