'New Moon' poised to be a disaster for '2012' at the box office?

'Twilight' franchise comes on pre-release polling like a monster


Conventional wisdom has long assumed that November's two biggest releases would be Sony Pictures' "2012" and Summit Entertainment's "The Twilight Saga: New Moon."  In theory, both pictures seemingly should be successful as they have little audience cross over.  As the second installment in the "Twilight" series, "New Moon" should dominate with women and younger women especially.  "2012" is an old fashioned disaster movie that should be a four quadrant sell (i.e., movie for everyone) that drives older audiences, teens and regular moviegoers.  Based on the latest pre-release polling, however, one of the films is in much better shape to dominate the box office than the other.

A little over three weeks before opening, "New Moon" came on industry tracking today with a vengeance showing interest in the Stephanie Meyer's vampire franchise hasn't cooled whatsoever.  With huge awareness already, the film has a staggering 40% plus first choice with younger women and over 15% with older women.  What's truly astounding is that older men (typically over 25) have almost as much interest as older women in seeing the sequel.  For what is seen as a typically female subject matter, that's a remarkable level of interest.  To say that "Twilight's" opening weekend number last year of $69.6 million will be surpassed by "New Moon" beginning on Nov. 20 is something of  an understatement.  And its domestic gross of $191 million?  Don't be surprised if it quickly gets shattered.

As for "2012," opening a little over two weeks from now, the Roland Emmerich action flick is currently trending for an opening in the mid $40 million range.  For early November, that's nothing to sneeze at.  However, with a rumored budget in the $250 million plus range "2012" is going to have to have strong word of mouth and a lucrative Thanksgiving weekend to sail into profitability.  Sony's biggest concern?  Interest among older males is the same percentage as older males for "New Moon" and it opens a week earlier.  That's got to be disconcerting for those at the Culver City studio.  No one is expecting "2012" to flop, but the company may need to rely on its excellent international distribution arm to make up the difference overseas to get the film to a "blockbuster" level.  Considering the division's stunning  global success with the last two "Da Vinci" and 007 films, that's well within their skill set.

Sony still has two weeks to try and blow "2012" out of the park and there is no reason they can't spend through the nose to get a bigger opening than they are trending for now.  Summit, on the other hand, wont rest on its laurels, but knows they have a self-sustaining publicity machine that has the core audience chomping at the bit for the next chapter.  Recruiting young men and getting even more older men excited will be their job over the next few weeks (and no, we can't figure out why that demo is into it either, that's a lot of dads).

Other pictures trending for big openings in November at this point include "A Christmas Carol" and "The Men Who Stare At Goats."   But when all is said and done, a blood sucker should dominate the competition.

What movie are you most excited about next month?  Share your thoughts below.

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    briguyx I was believing in this article's conclusions right up until you said "The Men Who Stare At Goats" is trending towards a big opening. Really? I don't believe it. Perhaps these prognosticators are the same ones who were picking "This Is It" to do so well...

    October 29, 2009 at 7:07PM EST Reply to Comment
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    cindi i cant wait for new moon!!!! i am 37 years old and i love it so much!!

    October 29, 2009 at 7:26PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Michele Ditto, Cindi! I am 34 and have gone nuts for Twilight since I first saw it on Sky BO in June (by recommendation from my 20 year old supervisee). I have read all 4 books twice since then. I love them all, and I am SO TEAM EDWARD!

    October 29, 2009 at 7:33PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Buttefly New moon of course do you know how long we have been waiting for this. I cant wait i am over excited i already got my tickets.

    October 29, 2009 at 7:43PM EST Reply to Comment
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    honk_mahfah I'm a theatre (assistant) manager, and we've already sold out nine of our fourteen screens for the midnight show of "New Moon." It's selling at an absolutely unprecedented level. That said, the novels are all mediocre (yes, I've read all of them), the first movie was mediocre, and this movie will almost certainly be mediocre, too. I hope all the fans will enjoy it, though.

    October 29, 2009 at 9:19PM EST Reply to Comment
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    k_brachica They like this

    October 29, 2009 at 9:58PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Sia honk_mahfah-
    The books might be mediocre to you and everyone else who reads a higher level of books but just because it's simple doesn't make it bad. It's obvious by the millions that it's just NOT SOME MEDIOCRE BOOK.
    I adore those books and I really hope New Moon kicks butt and shuts everyone's mouths.
    MEDIOCRE LMAO if that was the case it wouldn't have this massive of a fanbase !

    October 29, 2009 at 10:45PM EST Reply to Comment
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      honk_mahfah Right, Sia, 'cause nothing mediocre ever caught on... Look, I gave the novels a chance; so much so that I read all of them, even the positively dreadful "Breaking Dawn." There are good ideas in them (I'd happily read a full novel about Carlisle), but Stephenie Meyer obviously had no idea how to develop those ideas, or how to expound upon them in any meaningful way. That's the definition of mediocre, in my book, and I have yet to hear one single defense of the novels that wasn't more a defense of the reader's own emotions than of the texts themselves. I'm cool with that; you folks just shouldn't expect everyone to swoon over these stories the way you do.

      October 29, 2009 at 11:25PM EST
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      honk_mahfah I shoulda mentioned the "Transformers" movies, which have a FAR larger fanbase than the "Twilight" series. And those movies suck titanic amounts of ass; didn't keep them from catching on. And for the record, I'd rather watch "Twilight" -- which at least has its moments -- a dozen times than I would "Transformers" a single time. My point, though, is that massive popularity is BY NO MEANS a reliable measuring stick of quality. It's always meaningful, but that ain't quite the same thing, is it?

      October 29, 2009 at 11:30PM EST
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      Weeball One thing I have realized about the Twilight phenomenon is that among the mass of fans there are the people who feel the need to say things like honk_mahfah to get a reaction, and it works, every time. I normally don't say anything because it's a waste of time but I can't help myself.

      honk_mahfah - saying that Twilight is mediocre just shows your lack of understanding of the human mind as well as your lack of understanding how writing and all forms of art, works. Art can only be mediocre to the viewer. The masses say it is not mediocre - therefore you have to accept that it is not mediocre. If I had to say that Picasso was mediocre, it would be irrelevant, because he isn't mediocre, it would just be my opinion.There is a difference.

      You are basing it being mediocre purely on your own opinion. How hypocritical is that? You should think about what you are saying before making pointless comments to get a reaction.

      Stephenie Meyer's books are in no way mediocre. She has managed to write a book that speaks to masses and masses of people across all age groups. She has managed to encapsulate the mind of a teenage girl perfectly, as well as the minds of several male teens too. She has also created a story, using ideas that have been around forever (vampires and werewolves) and turn into something new, original and fresh.

      Don't just bash things because they are popular or commercial.It's stupid.

      October 30, 2009 at 12:44AM EST
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    bebe it's new moon of course. i am sorry for 2012 it seem new moon is the movie that millions of fans eager and anxious to watching it. i just can't wait to see edward cullen again.

    October 30, 2009 at 1:49AM EST Reply to Comment
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    RFWoodstock At Woodstock Universe we believe 2012 is the beginning not the end. What we envision now post-2012 to be, is what will manifest.

    Check out 2012 info and vote in our 2012 poll at http://www.woodstockuniverse.com.

    Peace, love, music, one world,
    RFWoodstock

    October 30, 2009 at 10:15AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Megan Did anyone seriously doubt New Moon would be dominating the box office after all the hype the first one got last year? Disaster movies just can't competed with super-hot, shirtless vampires and werewolves. At least not with female audiences so much. Don't get me wrong, girls can certainly like disaster movies,I like disaster movies, but not nearly as much as I love Twilight. I can't believe that there are people who still don't get just how popular Twilight is. Never underestimate the power of legions of teenage girls and their mothers when it comes to beautiful love stories.

    October 30, 2009 at 6:35PM EST Reply to Comment
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    heather Been excited for New Moon since twilight was in the filming stages. Can't wait!!! 2012 just hasn't relly appealed to me, I guess because I'm an optimist and don't like the thought of a timetable for destruction.

    October 30, 2009 at 7:43PM EST Reply to Comment
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    PrncesNP The Twilight Saga, not just New Moon will blow everyone else out of the water. The fan base is extraordinary and encompasses girls, moms and grandmoms. Do I need to tell you what influence they hold over their menfolk? We wont just watch the movie once and walk away. We will buy the products and gift the products. The committed actors in the movie have done a fantastic job of making Mrs Meyer's characters three dimensional and identifiable. With the economy the way it is we all need a major diversion.

    October 31, 2009 at 3:26AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Cindy I couldn't have said it better myself. Being in the "older" woman catagory, I can tell you that I will probably also see the movie more than once while in theatres and buy the video when it is released. For Twilight fans, (like Bella in Breaking Dawn) Once is NEVER enough! Love all the new characters, Wolf Pack Nice job

      October 31, 2009 at 7:20AM EST
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    Jezza I doubt that New Moon will be a disaster for 2012 as they appeal to different audiences.

    Sometimes a movie could be big in some countries because of a movie's backdrop. For example in China, 2012 is the biggest movie of all time because part of the movie, i.e the climax, was set in China.

    Globally 2012 performed better than New Moon for cultral reasons.

    If anything 2012 is poised to be a disaster for New Moon. The only people interested in new moon are aspiring scientists interested in astronomy.

    January 2, 2010 at 9:12AM EST Reply to Comment
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